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Harleymarleybone said:
Mav, care to elaborate on this?
Which Oral anabolic do you prefer?
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Mav, care to elaborate on this?
Harleymarleybone said:
On the other hand, get a plat membership and do a plat search and find a million different posts where people have posted links and information regarding how to minimize liver toxins caused by orals by using the above mentioned products. If there is something you don't know, don't make yourself look stupid by pretending that you do.
Tbol is the only oral I have tried. It was ok,,,,nothing to brag about.
I hear people talking so much how d-bol is the shizzatt. Have never used d-bol due to the fact I dont want to blow up quickly and start getting the "famous question". Whats the lowest dose of dbol you have used and it still was effective?
I hear people talking so much how d-bol is the shizzatt. Have never used d-bol due to the fact I dont want to blow up quickly and start getting the "famous question". Whats the lowest dose of dbol you have used and it still was effective?
mark me down for dbol. this should be a landslide victory for dbol. should have thrown in var and winny in there and you would have had better poll info. Rock-n-Roll.
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the_alcatraz said:
There are millions of references in historical documents that the Earth is flat, too. Most of the stuff on the internet about Milk Thistle is written by people who are selling it. Hmm. Let's think. And lots of people take this advertising drivel as gospel. If you think you actually know these products provide sufficient liver protection against AAS, it would seem you would have scientific evidence to back it up rather than mere hearsay and anecdote.
And what do you mean by "minimize"? How much does it "minimize"?
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the_alcatraz said:
Here is some knowledge for you (not just "lots of bros say so"):
"Conclusions
Clinical efficacy of milk thistle is not clearly established. Interpretation of the evidence is hampered by poor study methods and/or poor quality of reporting in publications. Problems in study design include heterogeneity in etiology and extent of liver disease, small sample sizes, and variation in formulation, dosing, and duration of milk thistle therapy. Possible benefit has been shown most frequently, but not consistently, for improvement in aminotransferases and liver function tests are overwhelmingly the most common outcome measure studied. Survival and other clinical outcome measures have been studied least often, with both positive and negative findings. Available evidence is not sufficient to suggest whether milk thistle may be more effective for some liver diseases than others or if effectiveness might be related to duration of therapy or chronicity and severity of liver disease. Regarding adverse effects, little evidence is available regarding causality, but available evidence does suggest that milk thistle is associated with few, and generally minor, adverse effects."
http://www.ahrq.gov/clinic/epcsums/milktsum.htm
Nothing here says milk thistle provides sufficient protection against oral AAS toxins. By the way the above cite contains a summary of all the relevant research.
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the_alcatraz said:
the milk thistle is on very shakey ground - meta-study and later commentary by the authors says benefit cant be established and sides cant be ruled out. - I wouldnt waste time and money on it.
rALA, nac on the other hand have studies showing effectiveness at protection and regeneration (you'll have to dig them out yourselves
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Harleymarleybone said:
It's funny how you only attack milkthisle, which is the last of my references. Do you have any evidence against rALA or NAC?
I can easily google milkthisle and get some good reviews about it, what's your point. You know how to use google. Big deal. Like I care if you want to use orals or not.
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the_alcatraz said:
Milk thistle is the most popularly referenced; hence I focused on it. Where are your reviews that show milk thistle has any more effectiveness than, say, pissing on a burning house?
You are the one who said he thinks he knows that rALA or NAC are effective. If you know that then I would think you would be able to provide objective support for your knowledge. I merely asked for that support. Apparently you don't have any. So why did you recommend something you don't know about?
Well, you cared enough to take the time to post that if I take orals, I can use these products to protect my liver. I just don't think it is cool to give advice to people (and lots of people read these posts) about which you don't have knowledge.
Harleymarleybone said:
I know pretty much everything there is to know abotu orals simply because i think they are pretty effective and i like to incorporate them in most of my cycles. They're an easy way to add mass. I don't think they're that hazardous if you take the proper procedures.
rALA:
"ALA is one of the very few substances that can actually cross the blood/brain barrier to enter the brain and go directly where it is needed most. ALA supplementation causes increased levels of glutathione, which helps the body dispose of toxins. "
http://www.ralapure.com/
NAC:
NAC is a supplement used by PHAs. NAC stands for N-acetyl-cysteine and is similar to the amino acid cysteine. Taking NAC helps to increase levels of the protective compound glutathione (GSH) in the body.
Basically helps with getting rid of toxins.
http://www.catie.ca/supple-e.nsf/07d5dd50a873071d85256863005cb89f/b740eedf3eed4b9285256c230050c88d!OpenDocument
I can also google. I've read some sources about those being really effective in getting rid of toxins in the body and when used with oral anabolics.
You can take my word for it or do your own research it's up to you. I'm not here to criticize you, was just trying to help you out.
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