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Finally taking the plunge....first cycle is going to look like this.

1-4 epol to kick start, OTC "designer steroid/prohormone"
1-14 test-e 600mg M,W,F
1-12 deca 300mg every Tuesday

PCT
nolva
60mg 7 days
40mg 14 days
sustain alpha throughout pct

i have hcg on. Have caber and a-dex on its way. Possibly going to pick up var and switch it for the epol.

stats.

26yrs
200lbs
~10%bf

my diet and training are in check and ready to go.

goals for this cycle are to lean bulk, add 15-20lbs.
 
Finally taking the plunge....first cycle is going to look like this.

1-4 epol to kick start, OTC "designer steroid/prohormone"
1-14 test-e 600mg M,W,F
1-12 deca 300mg every Tuesday

PCT
nolva
60mg 7 days
40mg 14 days
sustain alpha throughout pct

i have hcg on. Have caber and a-dex on its way. Possibly going to pick up var and switch it for the epol.

stats.

26yrs
200lbs
~10%bf

my diet and training are in check and ready to go.

goals for this cycle are to lean bulk, add 15-20lbs.
Fuck your going all out for number 1 ain't ya. I am thinking more like 30-40lb gain. You will still be a bitch though. But its ok cuz you're my bitch :biggrin:
 
Fuck your going all out for number 1 ain't ya. I am thinking more like 30-40lb gain. You will still be a bitch though. But its ok cuz you're my bitch :biggrin:

i'll show u bitch..........bitch:rainbow:

i'm hoping for some good results, i've responded very well to OTC products thus far, we will see.


one question i do have. Most of my pins are 25g 1", i ordered some more 1.5". Since i'm pretty lean, would the 1" work in glute for me? If so i might try the 1" in the quad so they don't go to waste.
 
i'll show u bitch..........bitch:rainbow:

i'm hoping for some good results, i've responded very well to OTC products thus far, we will see.


one question i do have. Most of my pins are 25g 1", i ordered some more 1.5". Since i'm pretty lean, would the 1" work in glute for me? If so i might try the 1" in the quad so they don't go to waste.

I would say so yes.



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If you're still as lean as you are in your pics, you should be fine with 1" needles in the glutes. Just makes sure you push them pretty much all the way in to go deep in the muscle and avoid the "golf balls".
 
If you're still as lean as you are in your pics, you should be fine with 1" needles in the glutes. Just makes sure you push them pretty much all the way in to go deep in the muscle and avoid the "golf balls".

pretty close to still being that lean, just about 15lbs heavier. good to hear, i thought i was going to have a waste of pins
 
I'm not too sure about this epol stuff. I've never been a big fan of these new prohormones on the market. You never really know what you're getting with that crap. Also there is very little if any scientific research done on the stuff and possible sides. At least with var this is a time tested true anabolic compound with known and predictable results. I say if you are going to use AAS then use the real thing because most if not all legitimate compounds have had many yrs of human studies and research with very predictable results.

As I'm sure you know you're going to probably get a blast of shit from those who believe you should use test only for a first cycle. There are some merits to that line of thinking. Many believe if you tolerate test well then add other compounds one at a time in subsequent cycles in the event of sides it would be easier to track down the culprit. However in the real world unless you are very susceptible to gyno (i.e. naturally large and sensitive nipples in men) you can usually get away with adding other compounds like var and deca. My first cycle ever was dbol 40mg/day X 4 wks, test-e 500mg split into 2 injections/wk 16wks along with deca 400mg/wk split in 2 injections/wk along added to the test also for 16 wks.

I got fantastic results and zero sides. I gained over 25 lbs of lean mass and got as strong as an ox. I have revisited that cycle many times since then with great results every time.

Bottom line, other than that prohormone crap I think your first cycle looks like a winner.
 
If you're still as lean as you are in your pics, you should be fine with 1" needles in the glutes. Just makes sure you push them pretty much all the way in to go deep in the muscle and avoid the "golf balls".


never put a needle all the way in, it could break. there are too many more spots you can hit with a 1in... delt, quad, pec, etc... btw, almost a gram a week is a pretty big first cycle... id suggest to drop the deca this go round, but thats just my opinion
 
Bottom line, other than that prohormone crap I think your first cycle looks like a winner.

i agree, it was something i had on hand and wanted to get the cycle started. i've heard great reviews from it plus it has one compound in it that has been around FOREVER (superdrol) another compound that is swore by for many years (havoc) and the third compound in the mix i took in the past and got great results from (cyclotren) so it is pretty much a mixture of all three into on capsule. i want to pick up the var for sure though.

I know i will hear the test only situation, but i've been around the boards a long time and have seen the internet "cycles" come and go. Right now the "test only" method is popular and being spread like weeds.
 
Nice bro! You will do awesome! Good Luck, I know you'll do awesome, you have shown such a great work ethic and improvements in a relitive short amount of time! Only thing I would say is to do injections mon and thursday. sounds like its 200mg/ml.
 
1-14 test-e 600mg M,W,F
1-12 deca 300mg every Tuesday

are you saying your gonna shoot 600mg m, w, f, as in 1800mg wk total?

600mg wk first time user is pushing it. personaly i think ading in the deca is a great idea although for a first cycle i would be going 250mg test wk plus 400mg wk deca. that was one of my first cycles and i got great results. just my 2cc's..........
 
I'm not too sure about this epol stuff. I've never been a big fan of these new prohormones on the market. You never really know what you're getting with that crap. Also there is very little if any scientific research done on the stuff and possible sides. At least with var this is a time tested true anabolic compound with known and predictable results. I say if you are going to use AAS then use the real thing because most if not all legitimate compounds have had many yrs of human studies and research with very predictable results.

As I'm sure you know you're going to probably get a blast of shit from those who believe you should use test only for a first cycle. There are some merits to that line of thinking. Many believe if you tolerate test well then add other compounds one at a time in subsequent cycles in the event of sides it would be easier to track down the culprit. However in the real world unless you are very susceptible to gyno (i.e. naturally large and sensitive nipples in men) you can usually get away with adding other compounds like var and deca. My first cycle ever was dbol 40mg/day X 4 wks, test-e 500mg split into 2 injections/wk 16wks along with deca 400mg/wk split in 2 injections/wk along added to the test also for 16 wks.

I got fantastic results and zero sides. I gained over 25 lbs of lean mass and got as strong as an ox. I have revisited that cycle many times since then with great results every time.

Bottom line, other than that prohormone crap I think your first cycle looks like a winner.
There is less scientific research,human studies on steroids and there side effects then you think. Most of the medical world has looked the other way on steroids. So yes they have been around much longer and we have observed them longer your statement is not 100% true.

As for the pro hormone comment you really should think about that a little more. Study up on some things and get to know just what you are injecting into yourself now. You may not beleive it but that test-e your injecting is a pro hormone bro. Its a synthetic derivative.

Synthetic(not the word Synthetic) anabolic steroids are based on the principal male hormone testosterone, modified in one of three ways:

a. Alkylation of the 17-carbon (makes them survive oral ingestion)
b. Esterification of the 17-OH group (alters active life and half life)
c. Modification of the steroid nucleus (changes their properties)


The defining structural characteristic of all steroids is their four-ring structure, consisting of 3 cyclohexane (6 sided) rings and a cyclopentane (5 sided) ring.Your body produces various steroids (and so-called pro-hormones) initially from Cholesterol which the body can eventually metabolize into testosterone.

The four-ring structure is called the Steran Nucleus, and there are four rings (A, B, C, and D), and 19 total positions on the structure.Each place where the ring has a “corner”, or is attached to another ring is a “position” on the structure.

So basically even the steroids you call steroids are in fact a form of (pro hormone) You are injecting real test when you inject deca,or sust,or take some dbol tabs. You are taking a synthetic derivative. (A pro hormone if you will).

To create different steroids you add things called carbon bonds or beta groups,and the like. This produces different types steroids(pro horemones).


Now yes some if not most pro hormones are crap for one reason or another but not all. You have to look at the ingredents or (compound structure) and at least half ass know what you are looking at to figure out if its worth it or not. Of course half the steroid world knows nothing about this though. They just want to be told what to inject and they go do it.

Lets take a look at some of the compounds mw5 is talking about here.

Superdrol
SD/m-drol/monserdrol is described as a cross between Anavar and Masteron but in reality, it is a super-saturated, or 2-reduced, form of Anadrol. Anadrol has a =C-OH at the 2nd position, and if this is totally saturated (reduced) with hydrogen, it gives -CH3. Another way to describe it is that it is a 2a-17a-dimethyl of drostanolone, or Masteron. Masteron has a single methyl group at the 2nd position. Superdrol is a modification of this structure by adding another methyl group at the 17th position. With its inability to aromatize , since it’s already reduced at the 5th position, it cannot make estrogen.
Despite being marketed as a supplement available legally and deemed another 'pro-hormone' or 'pro-steroid' by many companies and people, there is nothing very 'pro' about SD. In reality, SD is a steroid, and that is what the reader must primarily understand. It is methylated, so will cause stress on the liver, which will cause stress on blood pressure, cholesterol and lipid values. It is an anabolic/androgenic steroid, thus it has the potential to give side effects normally seen in normal anabolic steroid use


P-plex

p-plex aka Phera Plex/dmt/Madol (17a-Methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol)

also known as DMT is a potent synthetic oral anabolic steroid, first patented in 1961 by Max Huffman of the Lasdon Foundation115. This agent was never made available as a commercial prescription drug product, and saw only limited investigation in the mid-1960's before disappearing into research obscurity. Madol remained hidden in the library bookshelves for decades, until remerging in 2005 as a new "designer steroid" of interest to international sports doping officials. This was due to the confiscation of a sample of DMT at the Canadian border in December of 2003, where it was found in the possession of Canadian sprinter Derek Dueck during a routine vehicle inspection. The DMT sample remained nameless in a Customs warehouse for over a year, until officials from the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) finally became involved and had it tested and identified. Madol is only the third never commercially marketed anabolic steroid found to be in use by athletes, following norbolethone and THG.

Unlike its distant cousin methyltestosterone, Madol is unable to convert to estrogen. This means that its use should not impart the normal estrogenic side effects such as increased water retention, fat buildup, or gynecomastia. This makes it an excellent agent to use during lean tissue building cycles, having an effect somewhat along the lines of Winstrol or trenbolone. It can also be used in bulking cycles. It is neither estrogenic nor significantly androgenic, however, and therefore not going to provide the same sheer-mass-building benefits that an injectable testosterone would. In general, we can say that Madol is functionally far removed from its cousin methyltestosterone, which is known for being a problematic side-effect-producing mass builder and a terrible agent to use during cutting cycles. The one principle side effect it does share with methyltestosterone, however, its hepatotoxicity. One should respect this agent in this regard, and be conservative with its dosage and duration of use as one would any other c-17 alpha alkylated oral. It should be noted that some Progestational Activity has been noted in users of this compound.


So please don't lump everything together like that bro. You could learn a few things. Thanks good bro.
 
never put a needle all the way in, it could break. there are too many more spots you can hit with a 1in... delt, quad, pec, etc... btw, almost a gram a week is a pretty big first cycle... id suggest to drop the deca this go round, but thats just my opinion
You know that gets repeated a lot, and in all fairness it is something to keep in mind, but have you ever bent a pin with your hand? Do you see how much force it takes? Believe me, there is very little chance of that happening with a 23 or 25ga pin. Now if you were using like a 1" 29ga pin or something like that, ya I'd be worried about it.
 
You know that gets repeated a lot, and in all fairness it is something to keep in mind, but have you ever bent a pin with your hand? Do you see how much force it takes? Believe me, there is very little chance of that happening with a 23 or 25ga pin. Now if you were using like a 1" 29ga pin or something like that, ya I'd be worried about it.

I feels the same way kind of. I bury that pin balls deep.
 
gonna be a good cycle and ur gonna be a monster afterwards! u have a great base to start with
 
wow, in ur avi u r still "all natural"?

outstanding!

post cycle you will me a monsta!

looking forward to seeing your "befo" and "afta" pics.
 
wow, in ur avi u r still "all natural"?

outstanding!

post cycle you will me a monsta!

looking forward to seeing your "befo" and "afta" pics.

in my avi i was 185lbs.....i'm now 200lbs (natty) and hitting the sauce, we will see what the future holds :)
 
Ya guy is ripped the fuck up.
I believe we have Omega to thank for that. I saw his before and after Omega project pics and it's unreal! Those pics alone are half the reason I signed up for the January Omega Project group. Hoping to get myself ripped to shreds like that too.
 
stop it u guys......i'm blushing. all kidding aside, GAME ON!!!!!
 
There is less scientific research,human studies on steroids and there side effects then you think. Most of the medical world has looked the other way on steroids. So yes they have been around much longer and we have observed them longer your statement is not 100% true.

As for the pro hormone comment you really should think about that a little more. Study up on some things and get to know just what you are injecting into yourself now. You may not beleive it but that test-e your injecting is a pro hormone bro. Its a synthetic derivative.

Synthetic(not the word Synthetic) anabolic steroids are based on the principal male hormone testosterone, modified in one of three ways:

a. Alkylation of the 17-carbon (makes them survive oral ingestion)
b. Esterification of the 17-OH group (alters active life and half life)
c. Modification of the steroid nucleus (changes their properties)


The defining structural characteristic of all steroids is their four-ring structure, consisting of 3 cyclohexane (6 sided) rings and a cyclopentane (5 sided) ring.Your body produces various steroids (and so-called pro-hormones) initially from Cholesterol which the body can eventually metabolize into testosterone.

The four-ring structure is called the Steran Nucleus, and there are four rings (A, B, C, and D), and 19 total positions on the structure.Each place where the ring has a “corner”, or is attached to another ring is a “position” on the structure.

So basically even the steroids you call steroids are in fact a form of (pro hormone) You are injecting real test when you inject deca,or sust,or take some dbol tabs. You are taking a synthetic derivative. (A pro hormone if you will).

To create different steroids you add things called carbon bonds or beta groups,and the like. This produces different types steroids(pro horemones).


Now yes some if not most pro hormones are crap for one reason or another but not all. You have to look at the ingredents or (compound structure) and at least half ass know what you are looking at to figure out if its worth it or not. Of course half the steroid world knows nothing about this though. They just want to be told what to inject and they go do it.

Lets take a look at some of the compounds mw5 is talking about here.

Superdrol
SD/m-drol/monserdrol is described as a cross between Anavar and Masteron but in reality, it is a super-saturated, or 2-reduced, form of Anadrol. Anadrol has a =C-OH at the 2nd position, and if this is totally saturated (reduced) with hydrogen, it gives -CH3. Another way to describe it is that it is a 2a-17a-dimethyl of drostanolone, or Masteron. Masteron has a single methyl group at the 2nd position. Superdrol is a modification of this structure by adding another methyl group at the 17th position. With its inability to aromatize , since it’s already reduced at the 5th position, it cannot make estrogen.
Despite being marketed as a supplement available legally and deemed another 'pro-hormone' or 'pro-steroid' by many companies and people, there is nothing very 'pro' about SD. In reality, SD is a steroid, and that is what the reader must primarily understand. It is methylated, so will cause stress on the liver, which will cause stress on blood pressure, cholesterol and lipid values. It is an anabolic/androgenic steroid, thus it has the potential to give side effects normally seen in normal anabolic steroid use


P-plex

p-plex aka Phera Plex/dmt/Madol (17a-Methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol)

also known as DMT is a potent synthetic oral anabolic steroid, first patented in 1961 by Max Huffman of the Lasdon Foundation115. This agent was never made available as a commercial prescription drug product, and saw only limited investigation in the mid-1960's before disappearing into research obscurity. Madol remained hidden in the library bookshelves for decades, until remerging in 2005 as a new "designer steroid" of interest to international sports doping officials. This was due to the confiscation of a sample of DMT at the Canadian border in December of 2003, where it was found in the possession of Canadian sprinter Derek Dueck during a routine vehicle inspection. The DMT sample remained nameless in a Customs warehouse for over a year, until officials from the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) finally became involved and had it tested and identified. Madol is only the third never commercially marketed anabolic steroid found to be in use by athletes, following norbolethone and THG.

Unlike its distant cousin methyltestosterone, Madol is unable to convert to estrogen. This means that its use should not impart the normal estrogenic side effects such as increased water retention, fat buildup, or gynecomastia. This makes it an excellent agent to use during lean tissue building cycles, having an effect somewhat along the lines of Winstrol or trenbolone. It can also be used in bulking cycles. It is neither estrogenic nor significantly androgenic, however, and therefore not going to provide the same sheer-mass-building benefits that an injectable testosterone would. In general, we can say that Madol is functionally far removed from its cousin methyltestosterone, which is known for being a problematic side-effect-producing mass builder and a terrible agent to use during cutting cycles. The one principle side effect it does share with methyltestosterone, however, its hepatotoxicity. One should respect this agent in this regard, and be conservative with its dosage and duration of use as one would any other c-17 alpha alkylated oral. It should be noted that some Progestational Activity has been noted in users of this compound.


So please don't lump everything together like that bro. You could learn a few things. Thanks good bro.
Where did this IronmanLV guy go. I was hoping he would put up at least a little fight.
 
There is less scientific research,human studies on steroids and there side effects then you think. Most of the medical world has looked the other way on steroids. So yes they have been around much longer and we have observed them longer your statement is not 100% true.

As for the pro hormone comment you really should think about that a little more. Study up on some things and get to know just what you are injecting into yourself now. You may not beleive it but that test-e your injecting is a pro hormone bro. Its a synthetic derivative.

Synthetic(not the word Synthetic) anabolic steroids are based on the principal male hormone testosterone, modified in one of three ways:

a. Alkylation of the 17-carbon (makes them survive oral ingestion)
b. Esterification of the 17-OH group (alters active life and half life)
c. Modification of the steroid nucleus (changes their properties)


The defining structural characteristic of all steroids is their four-ring structure, consisting of 3 cyclohexane (6 sided) rings and a cyclopentane (5 sided) ring.Your body produces various steroids (and so-called pro-hormones) initially from Cholesterol which the body can eventually metabolize into testosterone.

The four-ring structure is called the Steran Nucleus, and there are four rings (A, B, C, and D), and 19 total positions on the structure.Each place where the ring has a “corner”, or is attached to another ring is a “position” on the structure.

So basically even the steroids you call steroids are in fact a form of (pro hormone) You are injecting real test when you inject deca,or sust,or take some dbol tabs. You are taking a synthetic derivative. (A pro hormone if you will).

To create different steroids you add things called carbon bonds or beta groups,and the like. This produces different types steroids(pro horemones).


Now yes some if not most pro hormones are crap for one reason or another but not all. You have to look at the ingredents or (compound structure) and at least half ass know what you are looking at to figure out if its worth it or not. Of course half the steroid world knows nothing about this though. They just want to be told what to inject and they go do it.

Lets take a look at some of the compounds mw5 is talking about here.

Superdrol
SD/m-drol/monserdrol is described as a cross between Anavar and Masteron but in reality, it is a super-saturated, or 2-reduced, form of Anadrol. Anadrol has a =C-OH at the 2nd position, and if this is totally saturated (reduced) with hydrogen, it gives -CH3. Another way to describe it is that it is a 2a-17a-dimethyl of drostanolone, or Masteron. Masteron has a single methyl group at the 2nd position. Superdrol is a modification of this structure by adding another methyl group at the 17th position. With its inability to aromatize , since it’s already reduced at the 5th position, it cannot make estrogen.
Despite being marketed as a supplement available legally and deemed another 'pro-hormone' or 'pro-steroid' by many companies and people, there is nothing very 'pro' about SD. In reality, SD is a steroid, and that is what the reader must primarily understand. It is methylated, so will cause stress on the liver, which will cause stress on blood pressure, cholesterol and lipid values. It is an anabolic/androgenic steroid, thus it has the potential to give side effects normally seen in normal anabolic steroid use


P-plex

p-plex aka Phera Plex/dmt/Madol (17a-Methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol)

also known as DMT is a potent synthetic oral anabolic steroid, first patented in 1961 by Max Huffman of the Lasdon Foundation115. This agent was never made available as a commercial prescription drug product, and saw only limited investigation in the mid-1960's before disappearing into research obscurity. Madol remained hidden in the library bookshelves for decades, until remerging in 2005 as a new "designer steroid" of interest to international sports doping officials. This was due to the confiscation of a sample of DMT at the Canadian border in December of 2003, where it was found in the possession of Canadian sprinter Derek Dueck during a routine vehicle inspection. The DMT sample remained nameless in a Customs warehouse for over a year, until officials from the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) finally became involved and had it tested and identified. Madol is only the third never commercially marketed anabolic steroid found to be in use by athletes, following norbolethone and THG.

Unlike its distant cousin methyltestosterone, Madol is unable to convert to estrogen. This means that its use should not impart the normal estrogenic side effects such as increased water retention, fat buildup, or gynecomastia. This makes it an excellent agent to use during lean tissue building cycles, having an effect somewhat along the lines of Winstrol or trenbolone. It can also be used in bulking cycles. It is neither estrogenic nor significantly androgenic, however, and therefore not going to provide the same sheer-mass-building benefits that an injectable testosterone would. In general, we can say that Madol is functionally far removed from its cousin methyltestosterone, which is known for being a problematic side-effect-producing mass builder and a terrible agent to use during cutting cycles. The one principle side effect it does share with methyltestosterone, however, its hepatotoxicity. One should respect this agent in this regard, and be conservative with its dosage and duration of use as one would any other c-17 alpha alkylated oral. It should be noted that some Progestational Activity has been noted in users of this compound.


So please don't lump everything together like that bro. You could learn a few things. Thanks good bro.

I have to say that is probably one of the best and most well thought out rebuttals I have had the pleasure of reading on EF. Thank you NeedTo I did learn something from the info you provided there.

I stand corrected and I didn't mean to put down all prohormones. You are correct there are some that have been around or at least their recipes for a while. You seem to be very well informed on the subject.

The point I wanted to make in my earlier post is that it seems there are so many new designer prohormone compounds appearing on the market daily and unless you know for sure what they are I would recommend passing on them in favor of more well known substances that have been around the bodybuilding world for years and have known effects as well as side effects. They are usually more predictable and when used in synergy with other AAS compounds you know more what to expect.

Again NeedTo great rebuttal.
 
I have to say that is probably one of the best and most well thought out rebuttals I have had the pleasure of reading on EF. Thank you NeedTo I did learn something from the info you provided there.

I stand corrected and I didn't mean to put down all prohormones. You are correct there are some that have been around or at least their recipes for a while. You seem to be very well informed on the subject.

The point I wanted to make in my earlier post is that it seems there are so many new designer prohormone compounds appearing on the market daily and unless you know for sure what they are I would recommend passing on them in favor of more well known substances that have been around the bodybuilding world for years and have known effects as well as side effects. They are usually more predictable and when used in synergy with other AAS compounds you know more what to expect.

Again NeedTo great rebuttal.

I hate the term "prohormone." I know everybody says it, but if the compound doesn't need conversion to be anabolic it's a damn steroid. Don't tell congress...:mad:
 
I have to say that is probably one of the best and most well thought out rebuttals I have had the pleasure of reading on EF. Thank you NeedTo I did learn something from the info you provided there.

I stand corrected and I didn't mean to put down all prohormones. You are correct there are some that have been around or at least their recipes for a while. You seem to be very well informed on the subject.

The point I wanted to make in my earlier post is that it seems there are so many new designer prohormone compounds appearing on the market daily and unless you know for sure what they are I would recommend passing on them in favor of more well known substances that have been around the bodybuilding world for years and have known effects as well as side effects. They are usually more predictable and when used in synergy with other AAS compounds you know more what to expect.

Again NeedTo great rebuttal.
Yes unless you Know or trust some one who does know they are best left alone. BUt we do have good bro's like me on this site that know there shit and whats what. MWM5 has been talking with me for over a year now so he knows the deal with a lot of things.

We do our best on ef to put the real info out there about all products and compounds. If something is worth it. Like monsterdrol/superdrol then will say so. I mean its legal right now and its also cheaper then most orals out there. SO its a good buy. Just have to inform yourself and others.
 
Great posts in this thread Needto. My respect for you has gone up quite a bit (not that it was low before :D).
 
Yea, Needto's got some damn informative posts.
Which makes me wonder, what is it you do? lol.. if you don't mind.
Your here all day and your posts usually sound like that of a chem professor or something, lol.
 
Its all good.
 
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don't start that bs in my thread bro....this thread is going to stay 100% positive and if it doesn't i will pull some string to make sure it does :heart: have a good day!

i'll fight everyone in this thread!













now, go do a delt injection so you can feel my pain!
 
Yea, Needto's got some damn informative posts.
Which makes me wonder, what is it you do? lol.. if you don't mind.
Your here all day and your posts usually sound like that of a chem professor or something, lol.

You are looking at it bro. That is my job. I am the ext elite mod here at ef. My job is to be here for you guys all day long. I Also do a lot of other work in and around the industry. I work for a few product companies. I work for a product producing company making formulas and new products for them and there customers. I am a author of a published book here on ef http://www.elitefitness.com/reports/fitness-cookbook/ wich is sold at ef and many other sites like ef.

I sell a program seen here http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...me-underground-steroid-consults-z-609000.html . I am working on putting out another book (different subject then the first) also I right updates and articles for my book now. I am working on writing a article for a main stream mag.

I am also the proud owner of a new up and coming company called (needtobuildmuscle inc) you can see my site here at needtobuildmuscle.com Where my new protein bars will be coming out soon. All this and much much more to come for me I hope. Thank you for asking bro. :biggrin:
 
You are looking at it bro. That is my job. I am the ext elite mod here at ef. My job is to be here for you guys all day long. I Also do a lot of other work in and around the industry. I work for a few product companies. I work for a product producing company making formulas and new products for them and there customers. I am a author of a published book here on ef http://www.elitefitness.com/reports/fitness-cookbook/ wich is sold at ef and many other sites like ef.

I sell a program seen here http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...me-underground-steroid-consults-z-609000.html . I am working on putting out another book (different subject then the first) also I right updates and articles for my book now. I am working on writing a article for a main stream mag.

I am also the proud owner of a new up and coming company called (needtobuildmuscle inc) you can see my site here at needtobuildmuscle.com Where my new protein bars will be coming out soon. All this and much much more to come for me I hope. Thank you for asking bro. :biggrin:

Good shit man.
Kinda motivating me to pick up the pace with my stuff, haha.
 
i'm impatient..........................................just sayin

everything has gone good so far. I can't believe how smooth injections are, the first one took me a few to finally convince myself to stop being a pussy, the others have just been enjoyable. Plan on getting some pics this weekend for a "before" look
 
i'm impatient..........................................just sayin

everything has gone good so far. I can't believe how smooth injections are, the first one took me a few to finally convince myself to stop being a pussy, the others have just been enjoyable. Plan on getting some pics this weekend for a "before" look
Heh I think everyone's first jab was like that. I know for mine I stood in the mirror for like 10 minutes, kept holding the needle near my ass cheek ready to push it in but couldn't do it. Finally just went for it and couldn't believe how easy it was.
 
good luck bro.. u already ripped put on some more size and u will look big as hell .. if u still growing off OTC stuff u dont need that much test a week ..little overkill for a 1st cycle imo
 
Heh I think everyone's first jab was like that. I know for mine I stood in the mirror for like 10 minutes, kept holding the needle near my ass cheek ready to push it in but couldn't do it. Finally just went for it and couldn't believe how easy it was.

HAHAHAHAHA!!! Boy does that bring back old memories...I did the same thing plus I was in a cold sweat too. I'd pick up the syringe tell myself I'm just going to jam it in and then chicken out, then again and again then I just finally did it and said to myself, "you big pussy"! I've never had a problem with it since.
 
yeh, my first stick went so easily i wondered why i worried about it for so long.
 
HAHAHAHAHA!!! Boy does that bring back old memories...I did the same thing plus I was in a cold sweat too. I'd pick up the syringe tell myself I'm just going to jam it in and then chicken out, then again and again then I just finally did it and said to myself, "you big pussy"! I've never had a problem with it since.
LMAO! I forgot all about the cold sweat!

And after the first time is was so easy lol
 
first off, i suck at the photography. here are a few back pics. this is the "base" i will be working from. i took like 50 shots and these three were the only ones that turned out decent.
 
Nice work broski!!
Were you using a tripod or something?
I feel like you can spread those lats if you work on it! Posing is freakin tough! But you make it look good bro!
When is the first stick??

Yes the first time wasn't too bad. I said to myself, if it hurts I will just stop. I kept bringing the pin closer and closer to my rump and the next thing you know it was half way in! so easy!
 
Nice work broski!!
Were you using a tripod or something?
I feel like you can spread those lats if you work on it! Posing is freakin tough! But you make it look good bro!
When is the first stick??
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i had my medicine cabinet open with the camera on one of the shelves, lol. the lighting is jacked and it's hard to make sure u're straight on. w/e peps can get the point.

also yes, i'm the suck at posing as well, pretty much a failure at the entire thing :D
 
i had my medicine cabinet open with the camera on one of the shelves, lol. the lighting is jacked and it's hard to make sure u're straight on. w/e peps can get the point.

also yes, i'm the suck at posing as well, pretty much a failure at the entire thing :D

LOL whatever works bro!
I had someone work with me doing some posing and its freakin tough some of the positions, getting cramped and tired. It helped though! Keep working on it and you'll be fine!
 
Is there a reason for shooting the deca on a separate day? Why not just mix it in with the test and save Tuesday for a Stick Free Day?
 
Is there a reason for shooting the deca on a separate day? Why not just mix it in with the test and save Tuesday for a Stick Free Day?

not really wanting to do a 2cc shot.......that is the ONLY reason. plus i'm kinda sick in the head and enjoy the pinning
 
I believe we have Omega to thank for that. I saw his before and after Omega project pics and it's unreal! Those pics alone are half the reason I signed up for the January Omega Project group. Hoping to get myself ripped to shreds like that too.



:rose::)
 
Finally taking the plunge....first cycle is going to look like this.

1-4 epol to kick start, OTC "designer steroid/prohormone"
1-14 test-e 600mg M,W,F
1-12 deca 300mg every Tuesday

PCT
nolva
60mg 7 days
40mg 14 days
sustain alpha throughout pct

i have hcg on. Have caber and a-dex on its way. Possibly going to pick up var and switch it for the epol.

stats.

26yrs
200lbs
~10%bf

my diet and training are in check and ready to go.

goals for this cycle are to lean bulk, add 15-20lbs.

I'd suggest you run a test only cycle, but it looks liek you've made up your mind.

Sorry I missed this thread.

One thing though, do NOT run nolva with decca....nolva should not be run with nandrolones...

600mgs of test as week on first cycle is too much IMO
 
I believe we have Omega to thank for that. I saw his before and after Omega project pics and it's unreal! Those pics alone are half the reason I signed up for the January Omega Project group. Hoping to get myself ripped to shreds like that too.



:rose::)
Due to a surprise work trip, I can't do the Jan program now :( but I talked to EF Frank and I'll be taking the class after the march 1st one, so I guess the July 1st class. I can't wait to start, it sucks I have to wait longer now but at least I'll have even more muscle already when I'm working with you.
 
I'd suggest you run a test only cycle, but it looks liek you've made up your mind.

Sorry I missed this thread.

One thing though, do NOT run nolva with decca....nolva should not be run with nandrolones...

600mgs of test as week on first cycle is too much IMO

i know u're into the newer cycle theory and that's cool but i'm sticking with the tried and true for beginners. i have a good "friend" that's pretty high in the competitive world and he helps me out when i need it. 600mg is nothing, u're only going to get ONE first cycle and that is where u will get u're best results, a person shouldn't skimp on it.
 
Due to a surprise work trip, I can't do the Jan program now :( but I talked to EF Frank and I'll be taking the class after the march 1st one, so I guess the July 1st class. I can't wait to start, it sucks I have to wait longer now but at least I'll have even more muscle already when I'm working with you.



its OK
I cant wait to work with YOU
 
I agree with Alcatraz.

I know you've already started, but seriously considering dropping the deca this cycle.

you dont' know how well you're going to recover, plus with that much test you run a good risk of gyno, and that would suck because you have a kickass physique man. seriously you have potential kid, take it slow.

also man, even MORE important, DROP that EPOL crap, if you were my friend i would pay you money NOT to take it... superdrol is just terrible for you man, so bad for your liver, it may end up making it so you can't ever take orals again or worse. plus it makes you feel like absolute shit, granted your milage may vary, but test at 600mg/wk is PLENTY for a first cycle. even if you wanna keep the deca in there seriously drop that superdrol/ph combo

you are going to blow up even on 600mg/wk test.

honestly with deca and superdrol in there you got plenty of extra issues to deal with and the extra size is probably just gonna leave you with stretch marks man and the fucked up thing is you won't care about it until you come off cycle and you realize that they are permanent.


sorry man not trying to lecture here but seriously take what i said into consideration. i read taht you get advice from a pro buddy of yours, well that's good you need someone like that to help you out... but seriously unless you are going to go pro you don't need pro levels of gear. this whole get it all out in your first cycle thing is stupid, you are going to run many cycles this i promise you, it's like saying you're never going to get as high as the first time you use heroin so why not just go all out the first time... it just doesn't make sense, like everything in life, beginnings should be humble.

actually test only cycles are kind of just fucking awesome. they are almost the perfect cycle by themselves, you just feel so amazing, adding the deca and superdrol will give you more size for sure, but the cycle won't be as fun and you could run into some problems you don't need to deal with right now.

anyways i am excited to see how this turns out, you're gonna be a beast no matter what you decide to do, i know you did the omega project so you know what you're doing. look forward to seeing your results/pics.
 
I hate to speak for mwm5, but i'm pretty sure his reasoning for running 600mg/wk is due to the mg/ml of his test. He's running the 10ml hypertrophy line, which you may or may not know is 200mg/ml. To keep things simple he chose to run 3ml per week. Since most people (myself included) are running 500mg/wk of test. I personally don't see how the extra 100 mg's is really going to make that much of a difference.
 
I really don't think 600mg of test is a serious gyno worry. Especially with how lean he is (remember most aromatase is in fat tissue) especially if he is using some anti-e on cycle. Even with the deca added I think he'll be fine. Some of you guys are blowing it a little out of proportion. He's gonna blow up on this cycle :D
 
I'd suggest you run a test only cycle, but it looks liek you've made up your mind.

Sorry I missed this thread.

One thing though, do NOT run nolva with decca....nolva should not be run with nandrolones...

600mgs of test as week on first cycle is too much IMO

+1 dont like decca for a 1st cycle
no need for that much test /.. m5 says he is still growing off reg supps,no need for a 1st cycle like this, .. he would blow up off 250-500 test only cycle .best of luck
 
i know u're into the newer cycle theory and that's cool but i'm sticking with the tried and true for beginners. i have a good "friend" that's pretty high in the competitive world and he helps me out when i need it. 600mg is nothing, u're only going to get ONE first cycle and that is where u will get u're best results, a person shouldn't skimp on it.

with all due respect bro, you're friend is wrong in thinking that much test and decca is necessary for a first cycle.

I have friends who are high up and competing too, and they take 3 grams of test ew...that doesn't mean it's right. One of em told me to take 1.5 grams of test my third cycle. I didnt listen to him because these pros have quite different views than us....

You will probably grow very close to or jsut as much your first cycle on a much lower dose of test...and the decca is not necessary
 
i know u're into the newer cycle theory and that's cool but i'm sticking with the tried and true for beginners. i have a good "friend" that's pretty high in the competitive world and he helps me out when i need it. 600mg is nothing, u're only going to get ONE first cycle and that is where u will get u're best results, a person shouldn't skimp on it.

Also bro, what makes you think this is the "tried and true" for beginners?? :confused:
 
im intersted to see some updates in another month! hope ur cycle is going well! everyone ive ever known do first cycles always stacked..its only recently that people started preaching test only... and those that run at 250 a week which is rediculous
 
im intersted to see some updates in another month! hope ur cycle is going well! everyone ive ever known do first cycles always stacked..its only recently that people started preaching test only... and those that run at 250 a week which is rediculous

agreed, it is another "fad" that will come and go.

i'm starting week 4 now and i've started seeing a little progress i believe. i can def feel the effects on my sex drive. it is also funny that i've been in 1 fight in my life, but feel like i can fight anybody (never would though). Vascularity has been getting better as well.
 
im intersted to see some updates in another month! hope ur cycle is going well! everyone ive ever known do first cycles always stacked..its only recently that people started preaching test only... and those that run at 250 a week which is rediculous

things improve, people learn...with time things get better and people learn better techniques

that's when the test only first cycles come in

What's the point of having a bigass cycle the first time around? how would you vary your next cycle and the one after if you're starting with a bigass cycle off the bat?

and that's still pretty dangerous to do....

I can't argue with you on this because your dosages are obscene, but you're an aas vet so you know your body and you know what you're doing
 
things improve, people learn...with time things get better and people learn better techniques

that's when the test only first cycles come in

What's the point of having a bigass cycle the first time around? how would you vary your next cycle and the one after if you're starting with a bigass cycle off the bat?

and that's still pretty dangerous to do....

I can't argue with you on this because your dosages are obscene, but you're an aas vet so you know your body and you know what you're doing

i dont think test only 1st cycles will ever become a fade .. considering test will be the base of almost ever cycle u do in your lifetime .. its essential to learn how your body reacts to it alone, ..a noob doing a dbol/test/var cant figure out wat compound is causing wat side effect, wat compound is giving most desired gains etc .. so rushing becomes counter productive ..

this is besides the fact that if someone is still growing off otc supps .. throwing all these compounds in your body isnt needed for results obviously
 
agreed, it is another "fad" that will come and go.

i'm starting week 4 now and i've started seeing a little progress i believe. i can def feel the effects on my sex drive. it is also funny that i've been in 1 fight in my life, but feel like i can fight anybody (never would though). Vascularity has been getting better as well.
wk 6-9 you should see very good gains...after that it slows back down...good luck! fighting leads to injury which leads to a waste of a cycle and loss of all gains! i always look at it like that! hahaha
 
things improve, people learn...with time things get better and people learn better techniques

that's when the test only first cycles come in

What's the point of having a bigass cycle the first time around? how would you vary your next cycle and the one after if you're starting with a bigass cycle off the bat?

and that's still pretty dangerous to do....

I can't argue with you on this because your dosages are obscene, but you're an aas vet so you know your body and you know what you're doing
i would never tell anyone to do crazy cycles, i was just saying stacking for a first cycle isnt a to big of a deal..people have been doing it for a long time and only recently has the test only and low dose cycles become popular..
chances are if someone sticks to test/eq/var or test/deca/dbol for a 1st cycle there only so many sides that will really pop up if any at all..still not to difficult to figure out wich aas is causing them
 
i would never tell anyone to do crazy cycles, i was just saying stacking for a first cycle isnt a to big of a deal..people have been doing it for a long time and only recently has the test only and low dose cycles become popular..
chances are if someone sticks to test/eq/var or test/deca/dbol for a 1st cycle there only so many sides that will really pop up if any at all..still not to difficult to figure out wich aas is causing them

If some one does the right research its not a problem. For most newbs it is and will be a problem. God I have talked to at least 20 meat heads tonight alone.... Test only is a good first cycle for the common first time user.

If we are talkng about some one who is willing to put in a damn good amount of time reserching and getting it right then yes other cycle might open up for a first time... The test only thing is a safe guard if you ask me....

I tell you what. Show me 100 newbs and you and I both know maybe 1 of then is ready for more then a test cycle and maybe only 10 of them is really ready for aas.

We all love catching that one newb who did the right thing. Worked his ass off,researched for moths and has a good grip on whats what. They are few and far between though.
 
all my knowledge on aas is from research, not use, i have no clue how my body will respond to compounds.

and I'm sure you did your due diligence in researching and learning, because you've already built an astounding physique before you even started cycling.

I just worry that you're a good bro and my conscience would not rest if I don't give the best advice I think I can give, even if it doesn't really agree with what you're saying.

Good luck to you bro. I really hope your cycle gets you to where you want to get.
 
and I'm sure you did your due diligence in researching and learning, because you've already built an astounding physique before you even started cycling.

I just worry that you're a good bro and my conscience would not rest if I don't give the best advice I think I can give, even if it doesn't really agree with what you're saying.

Good luck to you bro. I really hope your cycle gets you to where you want to get.
mwm5 is a mentor for a reason man. Because a lot of people (including myself) know he has put in the work. He has put in the research, he has put in the hours and the time. He knows diet,training,and his body... Mentor is under his name for a damn good reason and he may not be a mentor member you know well But I know him well. In fact I know this bro longer then I know you alc... No ones going to fault you for giving good advice ( which you always do) but this guy is good to go. You know your mentor team or at least you should.... Better get it right. :D
 
mwm5 is a mentor for a reason man. Because a lot of people (including myself) know he has put in the work. He has put in the research, he has put in the hours and the time. He knows diet,training,and his body... Mentor is under his name for a damn good reason and he may not be a mentor member you know well But I know him well. In fact I know this bro longer then I know you alc... No ones going to fault you for giving good advice ( which you always do) but this guy is good to go. You know your mentor team or at least you should.... Better get it right. :D

I know he's a mentor bro...it says that under his avatar :p lol

And I know he's done the research, I said that...but like I said my conscience is not clear unless I give the advice that I thnk is right, and that's what I did...
 
If some one does the right research its not a problem. For most newbs it is and will be a problem. God I have talked to at least 20 meat heads tonight alone.... Test only is a good first cycle for the common first time user.

If we are talkng about some one who is willing to put in a damn good amount of time reserching and getting it right then yes other cycle might open up for a first time... The test only thing is a safe guard if you ask me....

I tell you what. Show me 100 newbs and you and I both know maybe 1 of then is ready for more then a test cycle and maybe only 10 of them is really ready for aas.

We all love catching that one newb who did the right thing. Worked his ass off,researched for moths and has a good grip on whats what. They are few and far between though.
mwm5 is one of the few that will go very far with aas! most people no matter how many cycles they do will never be ready or even need to cycle but they will anyways. aas sides are blown out of proportion if done right, if someone really takes the time to learn there good to go
 
mwm has helped me with getting to my natural potential until I go back for my 2nd cycle! Awesome work ethic and motivation from this guy!
 
i'll show u bitch..........bitch:rainbow:

i'm hoping for some good results, i've responded very well to OTC products thus far, we will see.


one question i do have. Most of my pins are 25g 1", i ordered some more 1.5". Since i'm pretty lean, would the 1" work in glute for me? If so i might try the 1" in the quad so they don't go to waste.
If you are really lean the 1" should work for you.
 
some updates....i've been horrible at updating thus far. all the holliday bs and then taking care of my mom after a surgery has been keeping me extremely busy. ANYWAYS, here is what i can conclude so far.

1. acne started to appear mid week 5, today will be start of week 6. time to hit tanning bed to dry my shit up. my skin has been getting really oily.

2. haven't noticed a ton of strength increase yet, but still early.

3. i'd say at least week four i started seeing some size increase and also feeling it in my clothing. have had a few close lifting buddies ask question.

4. i'm staying very lean like always, but have had the worse cravings for carbs and sweets. i've always been good at controlling these erges until now, don't know if it is the gear or what.

5. been getting hot flashes like a menopausal woman!!!!

6. I have constant T.H.O (titty hard on) no gyno issues, just the tip of nips seem to be perky.

so, really the only negative thing i've noticed is the oily skin/acne which i hope to get taken care of soon.
 
Keep at it! these next weeks til the end of the cycle are really where you'll start seeing results!
Good luck to you. I love it when people were like.. "Ok, seriously.. what are you on??" lol
 
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