This Got Overlooked

[Nelson Montana]

I said this on a thread that got shuffled to the bottom quickly.

USING STEROIDS TO GO ABOVE 160 POUNDS IS LIKE USING A POLE VAULT TO STEP OVER AN ANT HILL.

Anyone can grow naturally at that weight.

This is a waste, and I don't say that from any other perspective other than the fact that any gains made on a physique that doesn't have a solid foundation will be lost.

Once again, I realize steroids have become a "recreational drug" of sorts. And that's fine if you accept the potential dangers. But if you really want to be a bodybuilder, you will only be limiting your progress by using them improperly.

Unfortunately, this is preaching to the choir since most serious guys know this and those who use them as a lark, don't really pay attention to posts like this. But it still needs to be said now and then.

 

[lartinos]

I will never ever throw exact numbers out there. I will say getting your diet and training habits 100% together are paramount to be successful as a BBer.

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Some people use steroids out of pure laziness.

 

[Tatyana]

lol,

I weigh around 160 lbs right now.

I am 145 lbs in my avvie and signature.

BEEFCAKE - ask me how

 

[Nelson Montana]

lol,

I weigh around 160 lbs right now.

I am 145 lbs in my avvie and signature.

BEEFCAKE - ask me how

Ha! 160 for a 5'10" man I meant.

145 looks like just the right weight for you.

 

[mighty-musculus]

I totally disagree with your comment, everyone is not the same and should not be given advice as if they were.

 

[housemusik83]

I still get people say to me, "your all fake" "its all steroids" like its a magic drug, that i just pin myself and wake up the next morning big... alot of people dont realize it takes hard work dedication commitment strong will, so i understand why alot of young guys shoot themselves hoping the magic juice will make them look like the magazine they read in the bathroom... sadly but thats what this whole country is made of lazy out of shape fuckers looking for a shortcut... just my 0.02

 

[galaxy]

Well steroids arent a magic potion for everyone. Im blown away when some people tell me they juice and even work out for that matter.

 

[thebadguy54]

I agree with Nelson. I would even take it one step further and say don't juice until you are at least 185 natty.

 

[galaxy]

What if you 5' tall?.........eh nevermind, I guess you got other problems to worry about at that height.

 

[sweed]

Also if 2 people are 5'10" at 210 lets say natty. Should they be able to jump on? Of course if age and training history/ diet is all there.
But lest say one guy is 10-12% and the other is 18-20%.
The guy with 18-20% obviously has to lose some fat first.
A lot of factors but we catch your drift.
I also think people underestimate their bf. I try to stay conservative.

 

[rediculus]

I think it's based on your base line. My natural weight starting was 235 if I started right then I would probably be 270 right now without too much difficulty. I am putting some strength rules on myself. I really want to get to where all my lifts are 3 plates and higher before I go into anything. according to the 160 rule I was big enough when I was 11 years old.

Just saying. I agree but not completely and totally.. and does anyone miss those 2 and 3000 calorie shakes? MEGA MASS!! Man I loved those. Grew like mold on good cheese.

And why do people keep saying you need to have a 12 or 11 or 15% bodyfat to cycle up?

 

[tampatraps]

I still get people say to me, "your all fake" "its all steroids" like its a magic drug, that i just pin myself and wake up the next morning big... alot of people dont realize it takes hard work dedication commitment strong will, so i understand why alot of young guys shoot themselves hoping the magic juice will make them look like the magazine they read in the bathroom... sadly but thats what this whole country is made of lazy out of shape fuckers looking for a shortcut... just my 0.02

You hit it dead on, Housemus!! theres no miracle drug, you must put in the time lift properly and nutrition.

 

[sweed]

And why do people keep saying you need to have a 12 or 11 or 15% bodyfat to cycle up?

Because if your 18-20+% you look like shit. Like me right now! lol I'll be in single digits before I cycle again because the results will be so much better!

 

[Nelson Montana]

I totally disagree with your comment, everyone is not the same and should not be given advice as if they were.

So if someone is 160, 5'10" he may not be able to grow anymore without juice? I'm calling bullshit on that one dude.

 

[joe d]

agreed 100% im only 5'5'' and was able to reach 200lb at 17% bf all natty. all the gym rats that try to stay skinny all the time acused me of juicing all the time. now that i do they just stare at me lol. they dont think it has anything to do with the fact that while their eating a little tray of tuna salad im shoveling in 15 oz of steak and a heaping bowl of oats.

 

[deezy1225]

I think it's based on your base line. My natural weight starting was 235 if I started right then I would probably be 270 right now without too much difficulty. I am putting some strength rules on myself. I really want to get to where all my lifts are 3 plates and higher before I go into anything. according to the 160 rule I was big enough when I was 11 years old.

Just saying. I agree but not completely and totally.. and does anyone miss those 2 and 3000 calorie shakes? MEGA MASS!! Man I loved those. Grew like mold on good cheese.

And why do people keep saying you need to have a 12 or 11 or 15% bodyfat to cycle up?

i agree with this, when i started working out i was SKINNY, pure ecto im talking 5'8 110lbs :s .
now im 5'8 160, aprox 11%bf. took alot of hard work and good diet for sure. i dont plan on using for a little bit. this shows that the 160 rule is bunk, but it does prove that you can gain good solid mass naturally also

 

[SaiBoT]

i agree with this, when i started working out i was SKINNY, pure ecto im talking 5'8 110lbs :s .
now im 5'8 160, aprox 11%bf. took alot of hard work and good diet for sure. i dont plan on using for a little bit. this shows that the 160 rule is bunk, but it does prove that you can gain good solid mass naturally also

Rediculus is a very tall dude, he is just being a smart

That's why he is saying that at 11yo he was 160 already...

What Nelson meant to say is for all the supposed "hardgainers" who don't no shit about diet, spend more time at the mirror and clusterfucking their training instead of eating and training properly...

If there is no problem about your health there is no reason why you shouldn't be gaining quality mass through diet and training alone, at least this should be exploited to the max and only then you should take the juice road...

 

[van_wilder]

Agree with the principal here. I think the true judge/gauge of when you are ready for steroids is if you have (and can apply) the diet and training knowledge and principles required to grow naturally. If you've proven to yourself you can alter your physique to gain muscle mass and lose fat without drugs, then you are ready for adding the drugs as an aide to do so.

If you are only using drugs and don't have the ability to manipulate your body composition naturally through diet and training (just reading about it doesn't count) you have no business with these drugs. As soon as you go off you will resort back to baseline where you started with a wicked bout of depression to boot.

VW

 

[doublebicep]

I tend to agree with Nelson. Also there are too many young boys out there taking AAS. I know a couple of guys who will not work out unless they are on steroids. A couple of mullets.

 

[thebadguy54]

Rediculus is a very tall dude, he is just being a smart

That's why he is saying that at 11yo he was 160 already...

What Nelson meant to say is for all the supposed "hardgainers" who don't no shit about diet, spend more time at the mirror and clusterfucking their training instead of eating and training properly...

If there is no problem about your health there is no reason why you shouldn't be gaining quality mass through diet and training alone, at least this should be exploited to the max and only then you should take the juice road...

Bingo.

Right on bro.

 

[SaiBoT]

Bingo.

Right on bro.

Oh and I also have to mention that I was 185lbs when I decided to start juicing... LOL

 

[Roc86]

Its all relative and goal dependant, but I agree. Whatever someone uses AAS for whether it be vanity purposes, competitive bodybuilding, football, mma, boxing, cycling whatever --> it wont make you something your not.

@ the end of the day your "base" is all that you have. You dont have to be a hulking monster, but remember that AAS will only improve what you already have/are - it wont create something completely different.

 

[got2getripped]

145 to 160@ 5'11 I think that this is the one time that I would have to recommend Celltech.

 

[wolfman87]

i think that genetics play a very large roll in this issue. for instance an old teammate of mine only weighed 135-140 on any given day and could eat much more than i could. being a good friend of mine we went to the gym together most of the time and seeing what he was doing i knew he should be at least 10 or 15 pounds heavier than he was for how much he ate and how he trained (he could eat mcdonalds all day and not gain anything, he didn't of course he kept pretty clean as far as i know). i finally met his dad one day and found out why he was so skinny. his dad was skinnier than my friend was. like skip from napoleon dynamite almost but even smaller. so after graduating i didn't see him for a couple years and when i did he was up to around 160 he said. he told me he had done one cycle of test at 250mg/wk for 13 weeks. i knew that with his diet this was easily achievable. so to make my point, not everyone is the same and to say that a certain weight works for everyone is ludicrous. i have no qualms with someone juicing under 160lbs as long as they know what they are doing and don't get greedy. just like anyone else. just my opinion though.

 

[702daswoll1]

You gotta love ole Nelson quoting himself.. I did not stop laughing for five minutes after I read the original thread about this topic. Good times. Good Times.

 

[79steeler]

lol,

I weigh around 160 lbs right now.

I am 145 lbs in my avvie and signature.

BEEFCAKE - ask me how

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Hi Tatyana, oh beautiful and intelligent goddess. I'll ask how did you do it?

 

[rediculus]

Rediculus is a very tall dude, he is just being a smart

That's why he is saying that at 11yo he was 160 already...

What Nelson meant to say is for all the supposed "hardgainers" who don't no shit about diet, spend more time at the mirror and clusterfucking their training instead of eating and training properly...

If there is no problem about your health there is no reason why you shouldn't be gaining quality mass through diet and training alone, at least this should be exploited to the max and only then you should take the juice road...

lol true dat at 11 I was 5 foot 10...Didn't grow much after that. And to those that say dont' cycle up unless your Bodyfat is low? I disagree perhaps don't expect the AAS to reduce your bodyfat or at least not significantly..But I will gain far more muscle at 14 or 20 percent bodyfat than you will at a steady 8 or 9 percent. I tend to agree with neslon as well because it makes me look smarter!

 

[dabuffguy]

I took my first cycle @ 200lbs. I gained from 160 (at 6'2") to 200lbs in only 15 weeks you guys.

Of course, my body fat went from 9% to 16%, but still. I did my first cycle 6 months into training (which was a big mistake I might add) but I stayed at 200 lbs for 3 months, and got stronger and leaner slowly while in the process. I plateaued due to my then lack of training knowledge. So i took aas. Wrong choice for me then. I went to 205 is all, but my BF drop to 10%. I was looking pretty darn good for only 9 months of training. Than I got sick and lost it all, dropped to 170lbs after 3 months of pnuemonia.

Anyways, I have to shake my head and laugh at guys who complain about being a hard gainer. I am naturally a lurpy weakiling, the typical "hardgainer". 15 weeks of hard training and diet I put on 40 lbs( about 40% of which was lean muscle.) No bullshit about it.

You know how I got there so quickly?

I ate 5000 calorie a day and I counted them closely to ensure I was getting atleast that many. Simple as that. Even if it made me sick.

I don't even eat that many calories now, and I weigh 228 (at 13%).




EAT FOOD!!!!!!!!

 

[rediculus]

how tall are you dabuff?

Ok and honestly...Celltech was my first or 2nd real "delve" into what creatine could do...I doubled the shake before a workout and I did get GREAT pumps. Addictive pumps and I felt my strength improving too.. I think sometimes people bag on the "natural supplements" a little too much. These in my opinion are the KEY to getting the results you need on and off cycle.

 

[Bigpimpin10]

good thread bro ...just reading

 

[SaiBoT]

i think that genetics play a very large roll in this issue. for instance an old teammate of mine only weighed 135-140 on any given day and could eat much more than i could. being a good friend of mine we went to the gym together most of the time and seeing what he was doing i knew he should be at least 10 or 15 pounds heavier than he was for how much he ate and how he trained (he could eat mcdonalds all day and not gain anything, he didn't of course he kept pretty clean as far as i know). i finally met his dad one day and found out why he was so skinny. his dad was skinnier than my friend was. like skip from napoleon dynamite almost but even smaller. so after graduating i didn't see him for a couple years and when i did he was up to around 160 he said. he told me he had done one cycle of test at 250mg/wk for 13 weeks. i knew that with his diet this was easily achievable. so to make my point, not everyone is the same and to say that a certain weight works for everyone is ludicrous. i have no qualms with someone juicing under 160lbs as long as they know what they are doing and don't get greedy. just like anyone else. just my opinion though.

That's way he couldn't gain much weight! If he is an ecto by nature he should keep his cals high all the time, whole eggs and whole milk, cheese, red meat, and fast foods comes to mind! Fat is highly anabolic! I went from 110lb to 185lb as a natty, doing the "hand-reach diet" everything I could get my hands on I would eat it, as long it was edible...

 

[lilj888]

uhm, i disagree with the 160lbs. u got to specify height, people that are shorter have a harder time getting to 160 then someone who is already 160 at 6foot and skinny. if my 5'3 friend hit 160 he would be ready for professional level shows.

 

[lookinfit75]

By the age of 18 I was 195 lbs, 5' 9", and fairly lean to boot. It's all about genetics.

 

[Nelson Montana]

how tall are you dabuff?

Ok and honestly...Celltech was my first or 2nd real "delve" into what creatine could do...I doubled the shake before a workout and I did get GREAT pumps. Addictive pumps and I felt my strength improving too.. I think sometimes people bag on the "natural supplements" a little too much. These in my opinion are the KEY to getting the results you need on and off cycle.

People bust on Cell Tech because it's the posterboy for overhyped and overpriced supps. If they were more realistic and cost half as much I don;t think I'd have too much of a problem with some of their stuff. But a few products are absolute garbage.

Advanced bodybuilders who've tried BIG BLAST will tell you, the shit works. No, it ain't dianabol but it will help with gains and pumps and what's wrong with that? It's also a lot cheaper than Cell Tech!

 

[MorganKane]

I find this arbitrary number 160lbs just funny.
Why not 157lbs or maybe 164lbs.

Nelson, you are smart enough to explain when you should start instead of throwing out a arbitrary number.
Remember that some people that read this will take that number literary.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I find this arbitrary number 160lbs just funny.
Why not 157lbs or maybe 164lbs.

Nelson, you are smart enough to explain when you should start instead of throwing out a arbitrary number.
Remember that some people that read this will take that number literary.

Splitting hairs bro.

 

[dabuffguy]

Point is, if you are a weakling, steroids aren't for you.

Get some solid muscle mass and strength before you use anything hormonal. If you can't do that naturally (which means you are lazy or lacking in diet and training discipline), steroids don't really help all that much, especially in the long run.

 

[SaiBoT]

I find this arbitrary number 160lbs just funny.
Why not 157lbs or maybe 164lbs.

Nelson, you are smart enough to explain when you should start instead of throwing out a arbitrary number.
Remember that some people that read this will take that number literary.

Yeah that's the point... generating discussion... It has more people posting this way

Oh did I mentioned already that Big Blast is great?! I gained a couple of pounds with it and it was on PCT... I have no affiliation with proteinfactory. But The shit works!

 

[OneBreath]

I would really bump that 160 up. I was 220 before i touched anything above no-explode

 

[dabuffguy]

Yeah that's the point... generating discussion... It has more people posting this way

Oh did I mentioned already that Big Blast is great?! I gained a couple of pounds with it and it was on PCT... I have no affiliation with proteinfactory. But The shit works!

I'm tempted to buy 2 lbs of the "super plasma bovine protein" found in big blast except for it is 35 bucks per pound.





10% Super Bovine
1% L-Arginine alpha ketoglutarate
2% Creatine P-12
19% dextrose
15% HRS.
43% CFM whey isolate
10% Organic Whole Egg.
Aminogen

that's the "Big Blast" make-up

It's only 63% protein, so a 30 gram (roughly 1 ounce) serving gives you 20 grams of protein.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I'm tempted to buy 2 lbs of the "super plasma bovine protein" found in big blast except for it is 35 bucks per pound.





10% Super Bovine
1% L-Arginine alpha ketoglutarate
2% Creatine P-12
19% dextrose
15% HRS.
43% CFM whey isolate
10% Organic Whole Egg.
Aminogen

that's the "Big Blast" make-up

It's only 63% protein, so a 30 gram (roughly 1 ounce) serving gives you 20 grams of protein.

BIG BLAST is more of an overall anabolic mass compound than a protein drink or MRP. The protein is top notch and it has healthy fats and high glycemic carbs that are quickly digested and won't fill you up. The creatine and NO2 make up some of the total volume.

I've been toying with a non sugar formula but it tastes so fucking good the way it is I'd hate to mess with it. A supplement only works if you use it and BIG BLAST is easy to use.

 

[SaiBoT]

I'm tempted to buy 2 lbs of the "super plasma bovine protein" found in big blast except for it is 35 bucks per pound.





10% Super Bovine
1% L-Arginine alpha ketoglutarate
2% Creatine P-12
19% dextrose
15% HRS.
43% CFM whey isolate
10% Organic Whole Egg.
Aminogen

that's the "Big Blast" make-up

It's only 63% protein, so a 30 gram (roughly 1 ounce) serving gives you 20 grams of protein.

I bought the chocolate flavoured with no sweetener whatsoever. Sometimes I mixed up to 4x29g scoops on the same shake and it tastes great! No bloat, no stomach cramps, nothing it really feels great, I always had problems with supps taste like crap or making me feeling like throwing up in the past, well with this one nothing of this occurs, I'm getting heavier without getting any visible fat also. I've had 15lbs of it already.

 

[wolfman87]

what is super bovine exactly? is that the stuff farmers give their animals to get them bigger and heavier for shows? back in the day i had a few friends in FFA who had something like that for their pigs. anyway yall have got me interested in it whatever it is.

 

[Nelson Montana]

what is super bovine exactly? is that the stuff farmers give their animals to get them bigger and heavier for shows? back in the day i had a few friends in FFA who had something like that for their pigs. anyway yall have got me interested in it whatever it is.

You're thinking of colostrum -- which isn;t bad but it's nothing compared to super plasma protein. Both increase IGF-1 but SPP does so ten times over. It's also completely predigested and completely absorbed making it far beyond whey or anything else.

You can buy it seperately but it's very expensive and the amount in BIG BLAST is as potent as yo can use so you might as well get all the other stuff that helps it along -- including the organic whole egg, which I know sounds weird but it's incredibly anabolic.

It's kinda funny because I try not to promote BIG BLAST too much because it's so damn good just describing it sounds like hype. But the shit works, no doubt.

The only PF product with a 100% positive rating. (go to http://proteinfactory.com/shop/product.php?productid=145&cat=0&page=1 click on reviews)

 

[wolfman87]

cool cool, will do.

edit: checked it out and will definitely give it a shot. sounds like i won't be using my trusty old truemass anymore which is ridiculously overpriced.

 

[rediculus]

I like muscle milk

when I added up 10lbs of what I like...guess the poor get no love once again lol.

PS I am all for a good source of the right kinds of Creatine..20 bucks a lb if you add the fun stuff is a bit rich for my taste.

 

[ceo]

And to those that say dont' cycle up unless your Bodyfat is low? I disagree perhaps don't expect the AAS to reduce your bodyfat or at least not significantly..But I will gain far more muscle at 14 or 20 percent bodyfat than you will at a steady 8 or 9 percent.

Nelson's right. He did mention a height of 5'11". If you're 5'11" and you're 160lbs., you don't need steroids, you need to eat a LOT and lift! There is a way, it IS possible.

SaiBot did a good job of clarifying Nelson's post.

And rediculus is right in this quote too...especially if you're a powerlifter and you're doing a cycle. You don't care if you're 20% bodyfat cuz the heavier you are the more you can lift, and if you've got some "help" from super supplements, all the better!

 

[rediculus]

yah I was also 11 back then so for sure I didn't need more testosterone LMAO!!! more beef more muscle. More muscle Higher BMR.