The hypocracy on this site is unbelievable

[tokyosportsjp]

Arent Protestants just Catholics who are protesting about the popes dubious carry on?

 

[Dante Alighieri]

Nothing brings out the pseudo-intellectuals on this board quicker than a thread about religion and/ or politics

 

[strongsmartsexy]

strongsmartsexy
The differences are that the "word of God" is different from one religion to another and is significantly different even within the "Christian" religions. They can't even figure out what the bible is saying and have created different churches to support different "truths". And each of them is more tha willing to condem the other to hell because they're not the same as their own. Each being the more enlighted of course. How could they not be? If they though something else or believed something else is more true, wouldn't they change their beliefs? They have to be "right" or the penalty is everlasting hell. Isn't that a wonder little viscious dependency? "

Actually that post is only superficially accurate. While the various Christian denominations (aside from Catholics) disagree with various particulars, they all agree on the concept of salvation. So I know of no Pentecostals that believe a Baptist or a Methodist will burn in hell for not practicing in exactly the same way as themselves.

I don't know where you get your information about Catholics, but it's highly inaccurate. My mother in law is 75 and has been Catholic since the day she was conceived. If you ask her who's going to heaven she'll tell you flat out, that those who believe in Jesus as their savior, that he died on the cross and was resurrected and went back to heaven, are baptised in the name of Jesus... will go to heaven. She completely understands the Christian fundamentals of "salvation".

See, if your assertion is correct about who will or won't go to hell, then you basically have all Christians (Catholics, Protestants and those who can't figure out what they are, better known as non-denominational) going to heaven. COOL! I love it!

Seperately Catholic doctrine is that people of any religion, or no religion, can go to heaven. It's more difficult relatively in some respects, but it isn't as totalitarian as you suggest.

See above.

As for "Each being the more enlighted of course" who is that not true of, regardless of beliefs? Are atheists any less arrogant in their presumptions. Certainly that has not been my experience. Are they any less vocal about "enlightening" the rest of the world as to their folly and silly superstitions?

The difference is that you don't see them out trying to "convert" or "save" those not of the same "faith". From a Christian's perspective atheists and those who haven't been "saved" are going to hell and only their group of common believers are going to heaven. There aren't large buildings cowering behind tax evasion, errr tax shelters, err non-profit organizations on many corners of cities all over the US bring people to the "light" of atheism.

In condeming the rest, you have demonstrated yourself to be no different than any of them. You have your opinion, and you imagine it to be the most "tolerant,truthful, and intelligent" of them all.

Nice try, but I'm not condeming any of them. And, my state of being is just that MY state of being. I don't expect that I'll convince anyone to believe as I do and I also don't have expectations that if they don't believe they'll perish in ever lasting hell.

We all have opinions and things we believe. We all feel that we're tolerant, truthful and intelligent. DUH! If we felt any different about ourselves, we'd do something to change it. So, in fact, what you've managed to do is attribute condemnation to me, which I haven't done. Then you followed it up with making me the same as any of them, which is a good thing. And then you falsely stated that I imagine my opinions to be the most "blah, blah" of them all. Which is also not correct. I guess you missed out on the whole not judging part of Christianity spoken of before... (Yes, this is intentionally a trap)

 

[strongsmartsexy]

Nothing brings out the pseudo-intellectuals on this board quicker than a thread about anything at all

Yes, and not to mention those who won't step into the fray but will cast aspersions and snide comments as if that makes them any more intellectual.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

I can't believe people want to make this site more homogenized than it already is.

That would make it so dull and boring and likely cause it's death.

 

[Dante Alighieri]

Yes, and not to mention those who won't step into the fray but will cast aspersions and snide comments as if that makes them any more intellectual.

Yea, damn gutless arseholes

 

[jerseyart]

Strongsmartsexy,

Yours" don't know where you get your information about Catholics, but it's highly inaccurate. My mother in law is 75 and has been Catholic since the day she was conceived. If you ask her who's going to heaven she'll tell you flat out, that those who believe in Jesus..."

With all due deference to your grandmother, she is incorrect. As a general rule it is best not to use the laity as the singular source of your information, since most have only an incomplete or oft mistaken understanding of doctrine. It would be akin to my claiming that "Elite" was a terrible board because one poster recommended the Krispy Kreme diet.

Catholic doctrine includes the teaching of "Invincible Ignorance." In short it states that if someone follows the natural law (ie is a good person who tries to do good), but for whatever reason is not aware of, or has never been taught about, Catholicism, they can be saved. In practice it means that while it is arguably easier to enter heaven with the guidance of the Church and the sacraments, it is not the only way into heaven. Christians sometimes confuse this doctrine to mean that Christ isn't necessary to the process, which isn't the case. We are all potentially saved because of Christ, but that doesn't mean only those who are aware of His existence can be saved.

"See, if your assertion is correct about who will or won't go to hell, then you basically have all Christians (Catholics, Protestants and those who can't figure out what they are, better known as non-denominational) going to heaven"

As well as jews,muslims,budhists, atheists etc etc. No one is exempt

"And then you falsely stated that I imagine my opinions to be the most "blah, blah" of them all. Which is also not correct. I guess you missed out on the whole not judging part of Christianity spoken of before... (Yes, this is intentionally a trap)"

I have no desire to get into a pissing match over this topic. I try to only get upset over important subjects, like football or girls.

And I wasn't attempting to insult you. I was trying to communciate what a few others have already pointed out, and which you seem to be missing in my arrogant opinion.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

You need to learn how to quote so this is easier to read.

Strongsmartsexy,

"I don't know where you get your information about Catholics, but it's highly inaccurate. My mother in law is 75 and has been Catholic since the day she was conceived. If you ask her who's going to heaven she'll tell you flat out, that those who believe in Jesus..."

With all due deference to your grandmother, she is incorrect. As a general rule it is best not to use the laity as the singular source of your information, since most have only an incomplete or oft mistaken understanding of doctrine. It would be akin to my claiming that "Elite" was a terrible board because one poster recommended the Krispy Kreme diet.

And from your reading on this thread you've decided that my only source of information about Catholocism is from her?

"Catholic doctrine includes the teaching of "Invincible Ignorance." In short it states that if someone follows the natural law (ie is a good person who tries to do good), but for whatever reason is not aware of, or has never been taught about, Catholicism, they can be saved. In practice it means that while it is arguably easier to enter heaven with the guidance of the Church and the sacraments, it is not the only way into heaven. Christians sometimes confuse this doctrine to mean that Christ isn't necessary to the process, which isn't the case. We are all potentially saved because of Christ, but that doesn't mean only those who are aware of His existence can be saved.

Yes, that is correct. However, what is the total of Catholic doctrine, dogmas and theology is not presented to all audiences. I can almost imagine you trying to describe that to my mother in law, who's an immigrant from Italy and just barely comprehends and speaks broken English. Even at the time I was a Catholic in my youth, they taught very differently from what they do now.

"See, if your assertion is correct about who will or won't go to hell, then you basically have all Christians (Catholics, Protestants and those who can't figure out what they are, better known as non-denominational) going to heaven"

As well as jews,muslims,budhists, atheists etc etc. No one is exempt

Very nice I like that plan. Everyone goes to heaven.

"And then you falsely stated that I imagine my opinions to be the most "blah, blah" of them all. Which is also not correct. I guess you missed out on the whole not judging part of Christianity spoken of before... (Yes, this is intentionally a trap)"

I have no desire to get into a pissing match over this topic. I try to only get upset over important subjects, like football or girls.

And I wasn't attempting to insult you. I was trying to communciate what a few others have already pointed out, and which you seem to be missing in my arrogant opinion.

That I'm missing what?

 

[jerseyart]

strongsmartsexy

You need to learn how to quote so this is easier to read.

Hopefully this works.

And from your reading on this thread you've decided that my only source of information about Catholocism is from her?

I didn't "decide" anything. You chose to reference your grandmother as your source, not me. If you had another, you should have mentioned it as well. In any case whatever your source, your contention was incorrect.

Yes, that is correct. However, what is the total of Catholic doctrine, dogmas and theology is not presented to all audiences. I can almost imagine you trying to describe that to my mother in law, who's an immigrant from Italy and just barely comprehends and speaks broken English. Even at the time I was a Catholic in my youth, they taught very differently from what they do now.

That has always been Catholic doctrine, and it was taught consistently well before your great grandmother was born. I'm not certain as to what you are attempting to communicate. There is a ton of bodybuilding information on this site. The fact that I haven't as of yet read 1/1000th of it doesn't make it any less real or valid.

Very nice I like that plan. Everyone goes to heaven.

I hope so as well. But remember, either way, you have to be a good person. So I suspect there are many, perhaps myself included, who won't make it there.

That I'm missing what?

I suspect you know. In any case I made my opinions public, do with them what you will

 

[strongsmartsexy]

Well, you still need to learn how to quote, but this will do for the moment.

I didn't "decide" anything. You chose to reference your grandmother as your source, not me. If you had another, you should have mentioned it as well. In any case whatever your source, your contention was incorrect.

I'm not sure what it is you think my contention is.

That has always been Catholic doctrine, and it was taught consistently well before your great grandmother was born. I'm not certain as to what you are attempting to communicate. There is a ton of bodybuilding information on this site. The fact that I haven't as of yet read 1/1000th of it doesn't make it any less real or valid.

I went through Cathacism and didn't learn any of what you described at all. It wasn't until much later studies I found out the vast array of what composes the beliefs of the Catholic church. Most of that information is unknown or not taught to the masses. No matter how much doctrine, dogman, theology they have in the Catholic church it's what the people who go to church bring away from it that represents what they're taught.

I hope so as well. But remember, either way, you have to be a good person. So I suspect there are many, perhaps myself included, who won't make it there.

Um, now this is where things get all hazy and confusing. What exactly IS "good"?

That I'm missing what?

I suspect you know. In any case I made my opinions public, do with them what you will

If I knew, I wouldn't have asked. If I am deliberatly asking what I believe I already know, I'll make it clear that I do. Otherwise, I'm asking because I want to know. This medium is not exactly the best at relaying information. What you think you have made clear may be absolute darkness.