The hypocracy on this site is unbelievable

[strongsmartsexy]

What I think Sh4dowF4lcon is saying is that when you ask a catholic sometimes what they are they will say a catholic. Or if you ask a catholic why they think they are going to Heaven they will say because they are catholic instead of saying they believe that Christ died and rose for their sins. See the difference? Not just picking on catholics here either. Because there will be a bunch of baptist in hell too.

All PROTESTant religions came out of Catholicism and have varying theologies, dogmas and doctrines, and all of them justified by each Christian sect as THE answer according to the SAME bible.

 

[sh4dowf4lcon]

Catholics and Christians aren't two separate religions. Catholics are Christians. Lutherans are Christians, Presbeterians are Christians, 7th Day Adventists are Christians, pick any other PROTESTant sect and they're Christians. All of their belief systems are centered on Christ. Although there does tend to be some confusion at point about whether there is One God or Three, but that's just in the details.

I am nondenominational (I dont do "baptist, lutheran, catholic etc....)
I go strictly by what is in the Bible, nothing added and nothing taken away. I do not argue over who believes what and who is right or wrong about God. I have Faith in God based on what I was taught, what I can read in the Bible, and it is centered on Christ as my Saviour, and the Bible as my handbook to help me understand what God expects of me.

Now Church of Christ sites this verse, "Make a melody within your heart..." They interpret that it means "no music in Church". Yet David danced through the streets playing tamberines and praising God. The Bible says, David was a man after God's own heart. So if instruments are bad, why would God call David a man after his own heart?

*nondenominational view*
Shame on COC and Pentecostals for debating how they praise God etc. They should have been praying together, praising together, showing charity one to another working together as a body. Everyone cannot be a foot, or a leg, because the body needs a foot & a leg & a stomach and a groin and arms and a head to function properly. The body of Christ requires many different parts, making one body. I am from the school of, "Let me take care of the tree in my eye, before I try to pull a splinter from your eye."

Now again I say, I disagree with you on some of your opinions and statements about Christianity. Especially about the trampeling all over others with wrong beliefs.

As for the hypocracy on this site (thread topic), well I see it different. It is a place to state your opinions. People's opinions are going to be different quite often. If SSS, was allowed to argue, but I was banned for disagreeing that would be hypocracy. People are entitled to their opinions, even when they are different from yours. that is part of what makes C&C great, you might get flamed for an opinion or you may flame another for their opinion, but at the end of the day you know where each other stands.

I strive for mutual respect & I try to avoid religious doctrinaires, there is nothing to be gained by arguing different doctrines and religious beliefs.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

I am nondenominational (I dont do "baptist, lutheran, catholic etc....)

Ah, the new age of Christianity

I go strictly by what is in the Bible, nothing added and nothing taken away.

They believe the same thing. Even unto the point of "let him be accursed" for those who would change the doctrine of Christ.

I do not argue over who believes what and who is right or wrong about God. I have Faith in God based on what I was taught, what I can read in the Bible, and it is centered on Christ as my Saviour, and the Bible as my handbook to help me understand what God expects of me.

Which version of the bible do you use for this?

Now Church of Christ sites this verse, "Make a melody within your heart..." They interpret that it means "no music in Church". Yet David danced through the streets playing tamberines and praising God. The Bible says, David was a man after God's own heart. So if instruments are bad, why would God call David a man after his own heart?

A simple example of scripture is used for many meanings. If would be rather silly for churches now days to be limited to only the instruments available at the time of writing of the bible.

*nondenominational view*
Shame on COC and Pentecostals for debating how they praise God etc. They should have been praying together, praising together, showing charity one to another working together as a body. Everyone cannot be a foot, or a leg, because the body needs a foot & a leg & a stomach and a groin and arms and a head to function properly. The body of Christ requires many different parts, making one body. I am from the school of, "Let me take care of the tree in my eye, before I try to pull a splinter from your eye."

The latter is a good start. Although, then you'll find the Christians who've discovered that they are the ones who know what the bible really means, unlike all the others. And that since they have adhered to what they believe it's saying to them, then they're in the mode of pulling splinters out of everyone elses eye. I mean, after all, they have pulled the mote/tree out of their own eye. Hmmmmmmm, you must not use the King James version since you used the word tree in place of the word mote. Someone must have decided that the original translation was lacking and they knew of a better word to put in it's place. How intersting. I wonder how many other words they've changed and how it's impacted the overall meaning of what you're reading...

Now again I say, I disagree with you on some of your opinions and statements about Christianity. Especially about the trampeling all over others with wrong beliefs.

Well, you just need to relook at some of your responses to posts previous to see where you were not only willing to trample all over them for their beliefs but ridcule and call them names as well. Or does this only apply to religous beliefs? And how does it apply to the gay members of the Body of Christ?

As for the hypocracy on this site (thread topic), well I see it different. It is a place to state your opinions. People's opinions are going to be different quite often. If SSS, was allowed to argue, but I was banned for disagreeing that would be hypocracy. People are entitled to their opinions, even when they are different from yours. that is part of what makes C&C great, you might get flamed for an opinion or you may flame another for their opinion, but at the end of the day you know where each other stands.

We both agree on the above.

I strive for mutual respect & I try to avoid religious doctrinaires, there is nothing to be gained by arguing different doctrines and religious beliefs.

Admirable. Where is the dividing line between those who enter heaven and those who enter hell. Or doesn't your bible talk about the few and the many?

 

[jerseyart]

Wow,

This probably wasn't the best thread to choose opening first.

I haven't read every post, and frankly I'm almost sorry I read what I did. I don't want to get banned, at least not until I get my abs the way I want them.

My only point is the following. Most adults recognize there are a few areas of discussion where a modicum of consideration is justified. I have read several posters defend their "Constitutional right" to criticize whatever and whomever they wish. Certainly all human beings are entitled to free speech, even in those places where the governments don't allow the free and open practice.

But lets understand the following points. Free speech exists not because you choose to exercise the right, but because others have died and fought to earn that right for you. I cringe when those who are simply enjoying the spoils earned by others claim credit for the bounty of which they can partake.

As importantly, while you have the right to say what you wish, it isn't always best to exercise that right. I may think your wifes big lips would make her an ideal c. sucker, but it is probably not the best idea, or the noblest one, to walk up to the two of you and express that opinion out loud. Most mature adults understand that certain subjects are sacred to many, and common decency suggests that certain thoughts are better left unsaid. I think most people recognize that religion is just such a topic where a gentle hand should be employed.

There will always be those who imagine they are above such common conventions, just as their will always be children who wet the bed until late in life. For the most part it is best to sympathize with the interrupted development, and ignore the outbursts of a spoiled child with a great sense of entitlement.

 

[jackangel]

Wow,

This probably wasn't the best thread to choose opening first.

I haven't read every post, and frankly I'm almost sorry I read what I did. I don't want to get banned, at least not until I get my abs the way I want them.

My only point is the following. Most adults recognize there are a few areas of discussion where a modicum of consideration is justified. I have read several posters defend their "Constitutional right" to criticize whatever and whomever they wish. Certainly all human beings are entitled to free speech, even in those places where the governments don't allow the free and open practice.

But lets understand the following points. Free speech exists not because you choose to exercise the right, but because others have died and fought to earn that right for you. I cringe when those who are simply enjoying the spoils earned by others claim credit for the bounty of which they can partake.

As importantly, while you have the right to say what you wish, it isn't always best to exercise that right. I may think your wifes big lips would make her an ideal c. sucker, but it is probably not the best idea, or the noblest one, to walk up to the two of you and express that opinion out loud. Most mature adults understand that certain subjects are sacred to many, and common decency suggests that certain thoughts are better left unsaid. I think most people recognize that religion is just such a topic where a gentle hand should be employed.

There will always be those who imagine they are above such common conventions, just as their will always be children who wet the bed until late in life. For the most part it is best to sympathize with the interrupted development, and ignore the outbursts of a spoiled child with a great sense of entitlement.

good post.

 

[Gonzosc1]

The differences are that the "word of God" is different from one religion to another and is significantly different even within the "Christian" religions. They can't even figure out what the bible is saying and have created different churches to support different "truths". And each of them is more tha willing to condem the other to hell because they're not the same as their own. Each being the more enlighted of course. How could they not be? If they though something else or believed something else is more true, wouldn't they change their beliefs? They have to be "right" or the penalty is everlasting hell. Isn't that a wonder little viscious dependency?

right on the money there!

 

[jackangel]

the following people made great posts that i support 100%:

y_lifter, chefwide, ivanoffelitch, strongsmartsexy, docholiday, shadowfalcon, bbf, et al.

the following people made absolutely no sense and should really get their heads checked:

y_lifter, chefwide, ivanoffelitch, strongsmartsexy, docholiday, shadowfalcon, bbf, et al.

 

[jerseyart]

"Originally Posted by strongsmartsexy
The differences are that the "word of God" is different from one religion to another and is significantly different even within the "Christian" religions. They can't even figure out what the bible is saying and have created different churches to support different "truths". And each of them is more tha willing to condem the other to hell because they're not the same as their own. Each being the more enlighted of course. How could they not be? If they though something else or believed something else is more true, wouldn't they change their beliefs? They have to be "right" or the penalty is everlasting hell. Isn't that a wonder little viscious dependency? "

Actually that post is only superficially accurate. While the various Christian denominations (aside from Catholics) disagree with various particulars, they all agree on the concept of salvation. So I know of no Pentecostals that believe a Baptist or a Methodist will burn in hell for not practicing in exactly the same way as themselves.

Seperately Catholic doctrine is that people of any religion, or no religion, can go to heaven. It's more difficult relatively in some respects, but it isn't as totalitarian as you suggest.

As for "Each being the more enlighted of course" who is that not true of, regardless of beliefs? Are atheists any less arrogant in their presumptions. Certainly that has not been my experience. Are they any less vocal about "enlightening" the rest of the world as to their folly and silly superstitions?

In condeming the rest, you have demonstrated yourself to be no different than any of them. You have your opinion, and you imagine it to be the most "tolerant,truthful, and intelligent" of them all.

 

[bluepeter]

What I think Sh4dowF4lcon is saying is that when you ask a catholic sometimes what they are they will say a catholic. Or if you ask a catholic why they think they are going to Heaven they will say because they are catholic instead of saying they believe that Christ died and rose for their sins. See the difference? Not just picking on catholics here either. Because there will be a bunch of baptist in hell too.

I believe that's the kind of rubbish that we are talking about here. Anyone who is not 'your kind' of Christian (even though Catholics and Baptists and Lutherans and Presbeterians ad nauseum are also Christian) is going to hell. Absolute total ridiculous bullshit. If you believe in a benevolent and almighty God along with the concept of heaven and hell, would you not think that anyone with a good and pure heart regardless of whether or not they believe exactly what you do, would be a good candidate for heaven? As opposed to only your very specific little sect of religious believers that differ very little from millions of others?

I don't believe in God or follow any type of religion but I have no problem with those that do until someone says some bullshit like that. I'm a good person, I don't kill people, I don't steal, I am faithful to my wife, I love my kids, I work hard, are you telling me I can't get into heaven (not that I believe in it) because I don't believe what some books written 300 years after a man (of which there is no proof even existed) supposedly died? I would venture to state that I am a better human being than many of your ilk, do they still get in while I'm left out?

Believe what you may, it's your right, but don't preach that shit to me. Don't tell me I'm going to hell because I don't blindly believe in something of which there is no proof or because I interpret a few phrases in the Bible differently than you do.

I hope you get into 'heaven' for what it's worth, I'll see you there.

 

[TheProject]

I can't believe people want to make this site more homogenized than it already is.