Sweet... You'll look great in that!*Bunny* said:Hooker! Just playin! CAUTE
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Yup what you said makes sense.. I'm nuts about perfection in all my stuff too.
Sweet... You'll look great in that!*Bunny* said:Hooker! Just playin! CAUTE
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Roonytunes said:It happened again last night...got super hungry at 9pm and ate a protein bar that threw me off my numbers. This time it was a Cliff bar so I added 270 cals, 30g carbs, 20g protein & 8g fat to my day's totals. I have near to no junk in my house & just had 3 protein bars left over from my travels. So the good news is I only have 1 left now lying around and I'm not buying them anymoreI will add that I ate the bar slowly and enjoyed every bite of it. Seriously it felt like cheesecake so I can't even regret it too much!
More importantly, I think my body is saying it needs more food. I emailed the Cathy Savage service last night and asked if this was possible. Eating just 30g of complex carbs on my non-training days doesn't seem to be cutting it for me. I'm starting to feel rundown and cranky. This morning just getting through of 40 mins cardio at medium effort was rough, and this was after last night's refeed. So we'll see what they say...they made me get off all supps, so I haven't been taking t-rex or CB, but something's gotta give or this isn't going to work.
Note to self: I also need to stock up on s/f jello cups and next time I get hungry like that, I need to make a cleaner snack out of protein powder, cottage cheese & the like. It's still less processed and junky than a protein bar
That said, woohoo, 6 full weeks of no-alcohol & cheat foods complete today and I'm celebrating this weekend. I feel like I'm being let out of prison![]()
I'm interested myself and I'll definitely report back on what they say. I don't get visits from my aunt anymore since my bodyfat dropped - no pms and associated symptoms, so this is genuine hunger and I suspect it's because I'm training harder and pushing myself more.ck2006 said:I am interested to see what they say, I know I get like that around the time my aunt comes to visit and it like I need carbs and a lot of them for a whole week.
Roonytunes said:I'm interested myself and I'll definitely report back on what they say. I don't get visits from my aunt anymore since my bodyfat dropped - no pms and associated symptoms, so this is genuine hunger and I suspect it's because I'm training harder and pushing myself more.[/QUOTE]
Most likely, I know when I first tried to start losing weight and exercising I was on LA weight loss, they had me at 1200 calories, I was running 60 minutes every second day and lifting, instead of upping my calories they told me to exercise less, DUHHHH.
The only time I experienced that is when my BF was really high, (pregnaunt) LOL
Thanks, Jens! But I'm breaking the streak badly...I've had 3 slices of pizza so far. The first two were unsatisfying (not enough sauce, crust not thick enough) so I could only stop when I hit perfection on the third slice.jenscats5 said:6 weeks!! Whoooo!!!! Congrats!!


Thanks, Jens! Still waiting for official event pics from the photographers...the above one was taken off some guy's camera phone but I'm still happy that despite the blurriness, you can still see some lines on my mid-sectionjenscats5 said:^^ Heyyyy!! Nice abs!!![]()
I supposedly have a house call from Comcast tomorrow. Till then, I'm keeping track of my log offline and will post a mega update once I can get back on from home.Roonytunes said:I finally got one photo from the charity date auction I did:
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d143/ap5591/13344234610_0_BG.jpg (there's half a glass wall between me & the audience)
Other than that, I'm baack from vacation where I over-indulged. Feel like I may have had 10,000 cals in 48 hours or so, but I also feel like I got it all out of my system. No need to probably go 6 weeks under such a strict regime to break down like that again though is what I realize.
Great pic RT. Nice cuts up in there!Roonytunes said:I finally got one photo from the charity date auction I did:
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d143/ap5591/13344234610_0_BG.jpg (there's half a glass wall between me & the audience)
Other than that, I'm baack from vacation where I over-indulged. Feel like I may have had 10,000 cals in 48 hours or so, but I also feel like I got it all out of my system. No need to probably go 6 weeks under such a strict regime to break down like that again though is what I realize.

My internet connection at home is finally back! Comcast was here for over 2 hours today and claimed the wires in my walls had gone bad (?!) so they had to drill through. I'm not sure I believe them because my neighbor's internet connection has also been down so you'd think it was a signal problem in my area. In any case, I'm just happy to be online again. Logs coming for this week.....WoNderWoMan25 said:
What's up ... too busy recovering from vacation to post today?![]()
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Roonytunes said:Wed, 10/18
Scale weight: 114.5lbs
6:20am:
55 mins spinning
8am:
1/3 cup oatmeal mixed with:
¼ cup cottage cheese
1 cup diced apple
2 tbsp walnuts
Few dashes apple pie spice & 1 packet splenda
9am:
16 oz hazelnut coffee, ¼ cup skim milk, 2 packets splenda
10:15am:
1 slice Ezekiel bread spread with:
1/3 cup cottage cheese, ½ cup pumpkin, 1 mini box raisins, few dashes pumpkin pie spice & 1 packet splenda
12:30pm:
4oz roasted turkey tenderloin with 2 cups frozen green beans seasoned with Mrs. Dash
1 cup brown rice with 1 tbsp flax oil
2:30pm:
Shrimp salad
3 oz shrimp
2 cups lettuce mix, ½ cup cabbage, cucumbers, celery, onions and tri-color peppers
2 tbsp balsamic vinegar mixed with 1 tbsp flax oil
5pm:
4 oz baked chicken seasoned with lemon pepper
6 brussel sprouts
7:30pm: Lower Body Workout
Leg Press:
3 sets of : 8 reps with regular lower stance, 8 reps with closed feet with sled + 235lbs
Bench-Sit-Stand:
4 sets of 20 reps with 20lb dbs
High Step-ups (step with 7 risers):
5 sets of (5 reps on each leg alternating twice for a total of 10 reps with 20lb dbs)
Leg Extension/Lying Leg Curl Superset:
3 sets of (10 single leg extensions alternated and followed by 5 single leg extensions with 25 lbs + 12 leg curl reps with 55lbs)
8:45pm:
PWO meal: ½ scoop whey mixed with water, 4 oz seasoned red potatoes
Totals: 1350cals ( 162g carbs, 126g protein, 31.5g fat)
Yeah you can up calories before cutting begins.. but... I'm just saying it doesn't seem like a lot of room to move around... Usually you will start adding in cardio slowly and slowly decreasing the cals. for a easier cut from what I know. If the person is already doing an hour session a day for ~5 times a week for instance, that will lead to almost two cardio sessions a day right off that bat. Plus if starting her even at 1800 cals and dropping, there is little calorie drop room. Probably will have to go lower then 1,000 cals which is not necessarily safe either. Not like the final week or two is anything healthy. I just think if she is hungry then her body is telling her she needs more fuel. I would not like living on a maintenance plan where I am hungry every day. That's one main reason people don't stick to programs. In the end I'm just curious to the thinking behind it. I'm not saying it's wrong it's just not understood from anything I have read or have been taught.WoNderWoMan25 said:Treil - The guy I've trained w/before would always encourage some high calorie-junk-cheat meals to jump start your body & metabolism ... for him, those cheat meals come into play up to two weeks before a show. From then on out, it's white fish and oats. Does this sound right to you?
Roony - 114.5lbs at what height? When was the last time you posted pics, prior to the charity date auction? I gotta bump back into your log further.
treilin said:If that is a typical day... What was your starting weight, what weight are you at now?!? Has it changed that much? ~3500 cals = 1 pound of fat... You should be melting the weight off at that. You should be losing more then 2 pounds a week.
I'm only bringing this up not to belittle the program or you, but to maybe lay out a picture to not beat yourself up over eating a south beach bar. If this is a maintenance plan just think what it will be like if you have to cut for a show or a day you have planned...
Maybe some questions you can raise with them to get more answers for yourself.. I dunno
2 cents over
Thanks for taking the time to respond. I’m certainly not beating myself up over the protein bar breakdowns I’ve been having because they are definitely a response to hunger or insufficiency of nutrients. I’ve asked them to re-evaluate for Nov and see if I can get a little more than 35g of complex carbs on non-training days and they’ve said they can do that. I feel even 2 more oz of potato would make me feel that much more revived! So we’ll see what new numbers I get. 
I wasn't hungry initially when I started on this plan. It's only been the last 10 days or so. Hopefully with the new slight increases in carbs that I'll get, I'll be okay again.treilin said:I would not like living on a maintenance plan where I am hungry every day. That's one main reason people don't stick to programs. In the end I'm just curious to the thinking behind it. I'm not saying it's wrong it's just not understood from anything I have read or have been taught.
I'm 5ft 5" so I'm definitely small, but so is my frame. I've posted regular pics on and off in my log - I don't think you'd consider me stick thin or skin and bones by any means.WoNderWoMan25 said:Roony - 114.5lbs at what height? When was the last time you posted pics, prior to the charity date auction? I gotta bump back into your log further.
O.k. brain is working over here... I would think if you have a hard time gaining or losing weight... and it doesn't matter how many cals you eat you still don't gain.. then why not up them? What's to lose? At least you will have more tricks up your sleeve for when cutting time comes and you know you'll already have to go the extra mile to lose weight, maybe it'll make it easier... Starting off at a higher calorie balance and then dropping. Body composition wise... will still change. Probably add on a tad more muscle and more muscle = more calories burned= higher RMR. I realize you are not going for a bodybuilding show, but I'm going to say the dreaded word, better toned* *cough* more shapely, etc..Roonytunes said:I’ve only had my macros altered since I started the program and no real change to calories. This program only tells me how many grams of protein, carbs & fats to eat and so the calories tend to vary between 1250-1550 depending on the foods I choose. They are trying to keep me the same size with no scale weight gain or loss for now, but only change body composition. I send them photos for evaluation so that’s what they are looking at over body fat. They’ve also seen me strip down in person in July and I’m going back in Jan for their winter camp, so they have a good idea of where my weight needs to shift from.
Scale wise, there have been no big changes to my weight. While it can be said that I should be dropping weight like crazy, my body type is the sort that doesn’t lose or gain easily. I know I can go on vacation for 2 weeks and eat and drink everything in sight during that time…yet I won’t really gain weight either. So I know I don’t fit the mould of numbers and it’s going to unfortunately take a while to experiment to achieve the look I want.
I’m open to seeing what they come up with in November. I may also go back to a off-program meal once a week to reset my metabolism if I can conquer the issue of eating in moderation and not stuffing my face.
Stay tuned!![]()
Ooooh, you said the dreaded word!treilin said:O.k. brain is working over here... I would think if you have a hard time gaining or losing weight... and it doesn't matter how many cals you eat you still don't gain.. then why not up them? What's to lose? At least you will have more tricks up your sleeve for when cutting time comes and you know you'll already have to go the extra mile to lose weight, maybe it'll make it easier... Starting off at a higher calorie balance and then dropping. Body composition wise... will still change. Probably add on a tad more muscle and more muscle = more calories burned= higher RMR. I realize you are not going for a bodybuilding show, but I'm going to say the dreaded word, better toned* *cough* more shapely, etc..
I am staying tuned for November![]()
Yes, I hope to up calories but slowly, so it doesn't backfire. I also want to be able to eat off program when I travel - right now I can get away with this, but I'm not sure if this will still be the same if I eat more on a constant basis. So it's a delicate balance here. One thing to note is I went from cardio from 5-6x a week now to 4x a week, so I'm changing my routine one step at a time. 

Nope, I've been good the last two days. I am also noticing a slight correlation factor to feeling hungry and knowing I have junk like a protein bar stashed away in a cabinet. So the house has been thoroughly cleaned out (only totally clean food now!) and so far, hmmm, no hunger pangs eitherck2006 said:Are you still getting really hungry?
FlyBrownChick said:
Hey there, chica.![]()



That won't last long!Roonytunes said:This forum has been fairly clean without you and Tre talking smut lately![]()

Thanks, WW!! I tried on the costume again and I have to say I do really like it! I found a belt for the skirt and it looks pretty darn good now...so I'm gonna DO it! I have a big party next Friday to attend at a swanky bar with a guest list of 150. May as well flaunt what I gotWoNderWoMan25 said:
Have a good weekend. Good luck w/the costume!
His eyes also widened as he said "whoa, you're wearing that out??!!" when he initially saw it
Well, I'm definitely glad you decided to post again. Can't wait for the smut to start all over againFlyBrownChick said:That won't last long!![]()
I missed you, too! You and Treil are the reason I decided to post again. I've been lurking far too long.
How was class girl!!!Roonytunes said:Early morning confessions:
I spoke too soon last night about not feeling hungry. Decided I HAD to have a snack at 11:30pm last night. Ended up with 3/4 cup bare naked triple berry granola, 1/2 cup cottage cheese, 7 almonds & 1/4 cup chocolate unsweetened almond milk...and even though it was clean, I then realize this adds up to 400+ cals and I probably had 50g carbs in one sitting. I'm sure my body could use it but urgh, I still can't stop that twinge of guilt. Part of me now thinks if I just had a protein bar, I could have finished off the damage with 250 cals of more processed food instead. Another part of me thinks I should have just ignored feeling hungry and tried to go to bed.
Essentially, I can't WAIT to get my new numbers which will include MORE food. Tre, you are right - I NEED it!
On the up side, I get to test WW & Bunn's theory about carb loading the night before a workout nowI'm going to attempt to go for both spinning & boot camp class this Sat morning - I should have the fuel for both now.
I agree with Tre, smart woman that pretty little redhead eh?The classes were great! I sweated plenty and I'm sure the extra carbs came in handy.*Bunny* said:How was class girl!!!![]()
I agree with Tre, smart woman that pretty little redhead eh?


My date was fun though!
Sadly I needed the alcohol to loosen up. The night ended with a cheese steak, two bags of chips, fries at a diner and then a huge bowl of granola with chocolate milk when I got home. And this was all after a very nice sushi dinner with dessert. I woke up with a massive stomach ache and a headache to boot...surprise, surprise! I spent a lot of the morning in the toilet so I am hoping most of the damage is out of my system Great news girlie!!!!! So splenda does it to you also!!! HmmmRoonytunes said:Updates:
1) I didn't end up going through the full-blown food sensitivity test this evening after all. After I got there, it just didn't seem as specific as I thought it would be. For example, I would be tested for "grains" and not oats, spelt, wheat individually. So I decided I didn't want to go through with it. Instead, we decided to work on my digestive system to see if we could deal with the bloating that way. It appears that there is still bacteria left over in my kidney and bladder from my kidney infection earlier this year. I got some supplements for that and will now take digestive enzymes with every meal as well as a probiotic and another supplement for Higher GI 3x a day. Let's see if this improves the bloat situation....
I did ask to get tested for artificial sweeteners while there though. My body doesn't like Splenda and has a much better reaction to Sweet N Low and Stevia - so I'm going to try to make that switch. Also, we tested for reaction to dairy, cheese & whey and I seem fine now to those. So I was pleased with that.
2) I will only get my new nutrition numbers next week. I've been told to add another small meal of protein + fat if I'm hungry till then, but it appears my food intake will indeed be increased next month. Yayyyy!![]()
I hear splenda does it to a LOT of people. I'm stopping at Whole Foods at lunch to see what Stevia options they have and may also get honey or Agave.treilin said:Great news girlie!!!!! So splenda does it to you also!!! Hmmm

Yep I have stevia get the same thing also!!FlyBrownChick said:
After reading about your Splenda trials, I am giving the same test a try. I want to see if I'm affected by it at all. Stevia can have a pretty nasty aftertaste if you use too much, so use sparingly! It's pretty darn sweet, too.
YAY for more food!![]()
Do you think you'll go out with your auction date again?
Splenda is what is being touted right now as the best option for artificial sweetener. But Stevia on the other hand is not considered an artificial sweetener, but rather a naturally occuring herb. It's even in a completely different section in Whole Foods. I had to ask for it since it wasn't with all the rest of the sugary stuff - turned out to be in the natural herbs and supplements aisle. I already have Stevia packets at home and they are far more economical than the liquid (the plain was $12 and the flavored was a whoppin' $21.99, but I do like my morning coffeeWoNderWoMan25 said:Interesting about the Splenda - What type of sweetner is in most of the 'sugar-free' stuff - Isn't that Splenda?
Roonytunes said:Splenda is what is being touted right now as the best option for artificial sweetener. But Stevia on the other hand is not considered an artificial sweetener, but rather a naturally occuring herb. It's even in a completely different section in Whole Foods. I had to ask for it since it wasn't with all the rest of the sugary stuff - turned out to be in the natural herbs and supplements aisle. I already have Stevia packets at home and they are far more economical than the liquid (the plain was $12 and the flavored was a whoppin' $21.99, but I do like my morning coffee).
I used a Stevia packet in my oatmeal concoction this morning and with everything else like the banana and almonds in there, I couldn't tell the difference. I find Stevia to be less sweet than Splenda, but I need to get used to it now. I find it interesting my body doesn't mind Sweet N Low, so at least when in a pinch, that's readily available.

Roonytunes said:I hear splenda does it to a LOT of people. I'm stopping at Whole Foods at lunch to see what Stevia options they have and may also get honey or Agave.
Stopping by to check out your food.....Thanks, WW! I had to attempt this twice actually. I got too scared the first time I picked up the bar. Goal is to bench press my own weight so I'm about 20lbs away still!WoNderWoMan25 said:2 reps - 45lb bar + 50lbs = Nice bench!!![]()
There's a couple of Jenny-O sausage products. The lean turkey kielbasa (you can cut this up for however many oz you want)....2 oz = 70 cals, 3g carbs, 9g protein, 2g fat. I can never find this easily though. What I had yesterday was the lean turkey sausage links which per 1 link is 110 cals, 0g carbs, 13g protein & 7g fat (1.5g saturated). It's very filling though and after I had it, any hunger pangs I had disappeared. Woke up in a good mood tooFlyBrownChick said:What percentage lean is that Jenny-o turkey sausage? I've seen it and I'm interested, but I've never tried it. Is it pretty good?
Roonytunes said:Thanks, WW! I had to attempt this twice actually. I got too scared the first time I picked up the bar. Goal is to bench press my own weight so I'm about 20lbs away still!
Nice Job Roony!! Must be that etc food, ehRoonytunes said:Thanks, WW! I had to attempt this twice actually. I got too scared the first time I picked up the bar. Goal is to bench press my own weight so I'm about 20lbs away still!

It's Friendship brand - 1% whipped spreadable cottage cheese. I buy it at Whole Foods. It's really good - perfect for spreading on whole wheat muffins/crackers and Ezekiel breadWoNderWoMan25 said:Morning
What brand is that whipped cottage cheese? Where do you buy it?

Roonytunes said:Yesterday was a looong day...started with morning spinning and ended with 2 parties in NYC and catching the 4am train back to Philly to get home at 6am (well, 5am, I guess with daylight savings but my stomach didn't know that). But I got through the whole night with NO alchohol!!!![]()
Nice job Roons! Look ...at ....you ! SO cute!!Roonytunes said:I'm baaack from the halloween party and the ref costume was a success! I won "best costume" which should technically be rewarded with a drink. But because I don't drink, the organizer is going to take me out for a sushi lunch instead
Here's a pic as promised:
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d143/ap5591/IMG_1386.jpg
(I wore a different skirt because it was in the forties here tonight and the other flouncy skirt would have just blown up with the wind)
I had a good time despite no alcohol, loud music & hoards of people - had 3 bottles of water, met a Lenny Kravitz who ended up hanging out with me all night & came home to have a small snack of cottage cheese with 1 tbsp almond butter (it was 3am & 6+ hrs since my last meal, so I was definitely hungry).
Thanks, Jens and Bunns! I am really proud of staying alchol-free this weekend & yet still being able to be social and hitting all the bars and parties...AND having a pretty good time to boot. Plus all the compliments I got in my ref outfit made me realize I'm making the right choice and am enjoying this journey I'm on*Bunny* said:Nice job Roons! Look ...at ....you ! SO cute!!
Glad you had a great time!!!
Roonytunes said:Thanks, Jens and Bunns! I am really proud of staying alchol-free this weekend & yet still being able to be social and hitting all the bars and parties...AND having a pretty good time to boot. Plus all the compliments I got in my ref outfit made me realize I'm making the right choice and am enjoying this journey I'm on![]()
I don't have any full length pics unfortunately, but am just wearing a regular Gap (fake size 0) button down black khaki skirt. I have some other pics from the party that I'll post later though.YES!!! Well, I am also taking digestive enzymes and some kidney supplements so I can't say it's entirely from dropping the Splenda for sure, but my stomach bloat has drastically reduced. I have also dropped egg whites from my diet because I felt they were an added culprit. I have left in all the veggies for now although there may be a few that I'm more sensitive to in there as well.WoNderWoMan25 said:Hi,
Have you noticed any difference/change resulting from the switch from Splenda to Stevia?
Roonytunes said:YES!!! Well, I am also taking digestive enzymes and some kidney supplements so I can't say it's entirely from dropping the Splenda for sure, but my stomach bloat has drastically reduced. I have also dropped egg whites from my diet because I felt they were an added culprit. I have left in all the veggies for now although there may be a few that I'm more sensitive to in there as well.
Good!! I'm glad to hear that is under control for you!!Roonytunes said:YES!!! Well, I am also taking digestive enzymes and some kidney supplements so I can't say it's entirely from dropping the Splenda for sure, but my stomach bloat has drastically reduced. I have also dropped egg whites from my diet because I felt they were an added culprit. I have left in all the veggies for now although there may be a few that I'm more sensitive to in there as well.
I am taking digestive enzymes with every meal and a probiotic 3x a day. I also had a bad kidney infection in March/April and my holistic chiropractor thinks there is still bacteria left in my kidneys and bladders, so she gave me supplements for those. Instead of identifying food intolerances, we decided to deal with my digestive system directly in this way. So far, I do see some improvement with the bloat factor. However, I am hoping my system will recover soon since I don't want to depend on these supplements beyond 1-2 bottles of each. We'll see....I'll keep you postedWoNderWoMan25 said:Went back a few pages, but couldn't find a list of supps you are taking... Can you fill me in?
Thanks.
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Thanks, CK!ck2006 said:Have I said this before, yup but I will say it again HOTTIE!!!!![]()
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