PLEASE Help! PP? Nelson? Test Levels came Back 25

[Varga]

I was on for 5 weeks only(yes 5 weeks) 40mg of anavar, 300 mg of test PROP and 400 mg of Primobolan. My baseline test level is 302. I researched pct and came to the conclusion I may not even need pct because of the short cycle. But i went and bought Dermacrine, post cycle, unleashed toco-8 and endoamp. I took 6 pills a day of both unleashed and post cycle and did derma every morn, 4 pumps. NO Nolva No hcg. I finished my cycle march 20th. I got tested april 15th and my test cam e back 25. WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON???? WHAT DO I DO. mY DOC IS FREAKING AS WELL. Please help, minimal flaming please..im very concerned thankshttp://www.elitefitness.com/forum/images/icons/icon9.gif
Unhappy

You have answered your own question in your post believe it or not! No pun intended bro
This also shows that there no advantage of doing shorter cycles rather than longer ones...
Also, 25 is so low that by the looks of it you did a 8 weeks cycles with no PCT. You are totally shut down

It's a shot in the dark BUT it looks like your pituaitary has gone fishing....
How are your nuts, full size or shrunk a little? If your nuts are somewhat normal your pituitary has closed shop. Pray that when you recover your test level wont be 200 or less cause that;s not good

If your nuts are small you might be lucky with HCG but I put my money on the pituitary being shut down hard.
Good luck man

 

[Nelson Montana]

That is way too extreme to be normal. I'm afraid it may be a pituitary condition but I don't know your history or circumstances.

Length of time most certainly is a factor in suppression and recovery.

The supps should follow HCG or they won;t have anything to do. In other words, UNLEASHED will increase the amount of FREE testosterone you have, but if the total is 25 there isn't much to work with.

I've known guys who've done a gram of sus a week for months with no PCT and their T level was in the two hundreds. (Low, but still).

That sucks bro.

Give it time and get another test. Feel better soon.

 

[splperformance]

like needto said, there is no replacement for HCG...shoot on cycle and post cycle as well to help keep those natty receptors kicking so you don't get a test level of 25...but definitely keep us posted

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

No my Doctor knows Everything I was on. He told me to take HCC 1000iu every other day for 30 days and 20mg of nova everyday for 6 weeks. Any Help Guys?

Try taking it?

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

Slow recovery and double digit testosterone numbers are actually fairly common. I don't believe this is unusual at all.

Nelson is spot on though. If your body is not producing much testosterone, there will not be much to free up with compounds that lower SHBG.

 

[dasher]

Slow recovery and double digit testosterone numbers are actually fairly common. I don't believe this is unusual at all.

Nelson is spot on though. If your body is not producing much testosterone, there will not be much to free up with compounds that lower SHBG.

Guys Thank You for your input, it makes a bro feel not so alone. So Should I NOT BE TAKING....UNLEASHED AND POST CYCLE ANYMORE. Cause i ordered two more bottles thay. And I got yesterday and I never stopped DERMA...should I? I took my first HCG shot yesterday and am going to continue for 30 days like my doc said. It is some chinese stuff so he didnt subscribe it and i took my first 20mg of NOLVA yesterday and will continue every day...

 

[muscleup]

Yes stop the Derma....It's almost like a lite Prohormone that will hinder your natural recovery{Try Sustain Alpha}....I would think that Nelsons supps would not hurt at all, may actually help....I also would try what your Dr. suggested and see how this does you.

I know a guy whos levels came back @14....So don't feel that bad. TIME will always allow your body to recover, unless there is a pre-exisiting condition...Just stay mentally strong and you can get through this.

 

[dasher]

Yes stop the Derma....It's almost like a lite Prohormone that will hinder your natural recovery{Try Sustain Alpha}....I would think that Nelsons supps would not hurt at all, may actually help....I also would try what your Dr. suggested and see how this does you.

I know a guy whos levels came back @14....So don't feel that bad. TIME will always allow your body to recover, unless there is a pre-exisiting condition...Just stay mentally strong and you can get through this.

Yes i will stay on Nelsons supps and add Sustan Alpha...Thanks....ANy idea how long this will take to get to over 200

 

[muscleup]

You will be suprised it can happen quickly if the right pathway is chosen....Just remember that time will get your body back to homestasis. Give yourself a good 4-6 week PCT and then go get tested 4 weeks after coming of ALL PCT compounds.

Recovery is ALWAYS possible unless you have a pre-exisiting condition...Which would not hurt to get checked for.{Testicular cancer, Pituitary tumors, thyroid failure, many factors}

Just remember....Time and Patience and not stressing out over it and you will soon be back on track. Positive thinking will take you a long way brotha.

Yes i will stay on Nelsons supps and add Sustan Alpha...Thanks....ANy idea how long this will take to get to over 200

 

[dasher]

You will be suprised it can happen quickly if the right pathway is chosen....Just remember that time will get your body back to homestasis. Give yourself a good 4-6 week PCT and then go get tested 4 weeks after coming of ALL PCT compounds.

Recovery is ALWAYS possible unless you have a pre-exisiting condition...Which would not hurt to get checked for.{Testicular cancer, Pituitary tumors, thyroid failure, many factors}

Just remember....Time and Patience and not stressing out over it and you will soon be back on track. Positive thinking will take you a long way brotha.

Uggh. So i guess no Gear for Summer of 2008. Man that has to suck I just turned 40 and I wanted to look my best. My health is more important I know