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Great Post!!!!!!!
Newbie cycles that vets could learn from.
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Fleshcrawl
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I wish i'd of done more research when I did my first cycle.
Well as I expected, I am getting emails now from people who started their first cycle at 250mg/wk of test, are now 5-6 weeks in, and they want to know if their gear is fake. One woman put her husband on his first cycle with 250mg/wk and nothing so I said, "who told you to do that?" "REALGAINS did" "Didn't you see the post on Elite"? How are you going to give these people back their virginity? You're not, you can't, you are not responsible. It's probably their fault because they didn't eat right or train right or whatever else comes to mind.
It's a shame these people used up their only chance at virgin receptors with 250mg/wk.
Ridiculous.
It's a shame these people used up their only chance at virgin receptors with 250mg/wk.
Ridiculous.
Texas Ranger
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Ulter in your opinion, what's an acceptable First Cycle for the average male(21-30 years old)with 5+ years weight training experience?
Test 750mg-1000mg weeks 1-2
Test 500mg-750mg weeks 3-8
400-600mg of Eq
You didn't say how big the male is or what his goals are so those are ranges. The size and goals are the most important factors.
You have to know if a guy is training to be a body builder, Cyclist, Power lifter, whatever, in order to determine what he should use.
But for BBing those are a good jumping off point.
Test 500mg-750mg weeks 3-8
400-600mg of Eq
You didn't say how big the male is or what his goals are so those are ranges. The size and goals are the most important factors.
You have to know if a guy is training to be a body builder, Cyclist, Power lifter, whatever, in order to determine what he should use.
But for BBing those are a good jumping off point.
ulter said:
For an athlete, I'd decrease the test dose just a bit to 500mg/week.
Test bloat is not good for athletes.
Sometimes arimidex doesn't combat this.
250mg Test/week? LOL
Realgains, I like your "low dose is better" mentality, but thats just in regrds to harsher drugs like winstrol, anadrol, fina and some others.
In regards to test, deca, EQ, anavar and a few others, thats just not the case.
I have yet to see someome get screwed up on 500-750mg Test/week.
Fonz
250mg's per week will not do jack shit! I've seen this dose performed many times by all ages, and by first time cyclers. It is not uncommon to see a newbie take this dose, this is nothing new. This is a worthless dosage. Anything less than 500mg's of test is a wasted cycle.
Bill Roberts wrote an article for Meso and Dan's Dirty Dieting where he stated that steroid users need to determine what kind of body that they are looking for before starting up. Ifyou want to be a little, skinny model, then just stick to the Primo and non-aromatizable drugs. HOWEVER, if you want to grow, then test, fina, A-50/D-bol, fina, etc...at higher dosages need to be used.
If you want to gain a measly 5 pounds then maybe these cycles are for you, but if you want to grow, then don't waste your damn money people. Test at 600-1000mg's should be a base in all cycles in my opinion. In fact, I will not take below 1000mg's of total juice per week for mass gains. If you all think that these pro's, national competitors, etc...are using these doses with the results you are expecting then don't come bitchin' about it. Yes, there are some genetic freaks that can get away with a lot less, but even they have to bump it up at some point. I am not a big fan of 2-3 and above grams of sauce, either. My point is, don't expect to really grow off these cycles mentioned in the thread unless you have exceptional genetics.
In fact, I wish E2 would come lay the smack down on this thread.
BMJ
Bill Roberts wrote an article for Meso and Dan's Dirty Dieting where he stated that steroid users need to determine what kind of body that they are looking for before starting up. Ifyou want to be a little, skinny model, then just stick to the Primo and non-aromatizable drugs. HOWEVER, if you want to grow, then test, fina, A-50/D-bol, fina, etc...at higher dosages need to be used.
If you want to gain a measly 5 pounds then maybe these cycles are for you, but if you want to grow, then don't waste your damn money people. Test at 600-1000mg's should be a base in all cycles in my opinion. In fact, I will not take below 1000mg's of total juice per week for mass gains. If you all think that these pro's, national competitors, etc...are using these doses with the results you are expecting then don't come bitchin' about it. Yes, there are some genetic freaks that can get away with a lot less, but even they have to bump it up at some point. I am not a big fan of 2-3 and above grams of sauce, either. My point is, don't expect to really grow off these cycles mentioned in the thread unless you have exceptional genetics.
In fact, I wish E2 would come lay the smack down on this thread.
BMJ
Texas Ranger
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I read an article a while back by Dan Duchaine called, "Dick and Jane's First Steroid". He said a newbie looking to REALLY grow needed Test@600-1000mgs a week for a First Cycle. No Dbol, Deca, Tren, or EQ!!
missing a simple biological reality!
.....evryone's system is diffrent!
.....some get drunk on 1 shot of tequila others it takes 4 shots!
.....some can take 1 ephedrine an feel 'freaked out" some take 3 get a total confident charge off it an feel great.
...why not start small an see how your body responds!?????
.....evryone's system is diffrent!
.....some get drunk on 1 shot of tequila others it takes 4 shots!
.....some can take 1 ephedrine an feel 'freaked out" some take 3 get a total confident charge off it an feel great.
...why not start small an see how your body responds!?????
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