Newbie cycles that vets could learn from.

[Mandinka2]

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Well over here in Munich , things were goin extremely well with the cycle , foot injury notwithstanding until my two buddies from back home (Ireland) came over for the last weekend , apologies to all here as I could not stay away from the demon drink , and decided that 17 aa and alcohol don't mix so I cut short the cycle. I already started the dbol at 5mg this morning and feel good at 233lbs. , and still very strong in gym last night. I will try again in Janruary. On a related note I found that Fina did not shut me down nearly as bad as Deca as I was having the typical high test symptoms, I am hence unsure as to whether clomid therapy is neccessary.

 

[Realgains]

Personally I would take it for at least a week bro even after a very short cycle...it won't hurt you and will likely do some good.

RG

 

[Mandinka2]

Ok RG ,

Ok , my learned friend please post as to how to take the one week of clomid (it's in my shelf as we speak). I got terrible acne off of he deca cycle last time when I started on the clomid. Thanks. PS , just for fun , I did one set of cable rows last night , I managed 350lbs for 12 after not having touched them for more than three months. I was always strong on this movement but I thought that this was quite something (I had completed the two supersetted pre-exhaust pullover/machine row sets previous to this). I am considering seriously adopting your approach to training although I don't mind saying that I'm terrified of injury at those weights (i.e. reducing from 12 reps to 8).
RL

 

[Realgains]

Re: Ok RG ,

Ok , my learned friend please post as to how to take the one week of clomid (it's in my shelf as we speak). I got terrible acne off of he deca cycle last time when I started on the clomid. Thanks. PS , just for fun , I did one set of cable rows last night , I managed 350lbs for 12 after not having touched them for more than three months. I was always strong on this movement but I thought that this was quite something (I had completed the two supersetted pre-exhaust pullover/machine row sets previous to this). I am considering seriously adopting your approach to training although I don't mind saying that I'm terrified of injury at those weights (i.e. reducing from 12 reps to 8).
RL

Do a loading dose of 300 on day one in five divided doses with food and then do 50 per day for at least a week.

Just train very stricly and controlled and you will never hurt yourself with sets of 6-8.

RG

 

[trial0r]

solid fucking post bro, ive been thinking about this myself lately

 

[djsir007]

All of my friends have tried one thing or another, but we all started with SUS 250 and about 7 of us used 250mg/week for a max of 8 weeks and we all gained atleast 20lbs. So I agree with the less is just as good. By the way I kept 12 of those pounds.

 

[Andy13]

but i did gain 25lbs on a cutting cycle

Net gain of 25lbs? How much fat did you lose?

I wish I could gain 25lbs on a BULK cycle!

Andy

 

[Texas Ranger]

Sust@250mgs for 8 weeks would probably work if you are less than 200lbs to begin with. IMO, a larger person(200+lbs) would need just a little more to see good results.

 

[mantus]

Although I do agree with you that far too many people on here use too high of a dose to get that quick fix(competitive vets do not apply because in all honesty, they do what they have to do even though personally I would never) you also have to remember that not everyone on here has the genetics of the individuals you just mentioned. They were your genetic elite. They didn't even have access to proper training and supplements back then. Another thing is that you never know if they lied about their doseages either. I mean how do you really know if that's all they used.

I have even changed my mind about longer more moderate cycles(6months I tried just this past cycle) for my personal goals and will do moderate length(8-10 weeks on) moderately low doseage cycles for my upcoming cycles from now on. Everyone has their priorites and mine have definately changed.

BTW - The newbie cycles you mentioned are excellent suggestions.

Access to PROPER TRAINING? What does that mean.Everything we do now was 1st done by bodybuilders long before us.

 

[mantus]

way too much

I have always said that most BB use way too much AAS.However,i believe alot of people need to use this much in order to compensate for their lack of proper training.