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New anabolic gyno reducer

Hey guys, been here for awhile but this is my first real contributive post. Anyone here with any kind of gyno puberty, estro, prolactin, I have to suggest Epistane/Havoc for you.

I have had gyno since 13, not puffy nipples but full out lump. They probably got to the size of small bouncy balls. But I'm at the end of week 2 with epistane and the gyno has been reduced to about the size of a dime. Strength is also through the roof.

Just wanted to help some good bros out!!
 
kinda always had the problem growing up sicne around 12 or 13. Worked out my chest like a crazy mofo to try and make it look normal becuase i never went to a doctor. Honestly problaly y i started jucing at a younger age then most (17-18ish) to blow up and get big so shit would fit in but was always careful with anti e's. I'm planning on having surgery this summer though. Consulation in a few weeks. Never heard much about this stuff though man. I'm going to look into it.
 
3 posts and you're hawking a chemical? who are you working for? And also, it would be helpful if you supplied a link for information to back up your statements
 
I'd definitely look into this first as it has done wonders for many, including myself. I too used to do 100-200 push ups a night when i was in my teens thinking i would be able to get it to go away. Lots of good bros at AM have had the same results.
 
letro baby.. it's the only thing that has been shown to reduce the size, and thus possibly avoiding surgery..

good luck
 
SpyWizard said:
letro baby.. it's the only thing that has been shown to reduce the size, and thus possibly avoiding surgery..

good luck
i dont understand the lump..lik ehow to chec for it.do u squeeze it or can u just push down and feel it...i have puffy nipples ecpecially my left 1 but im not sure if its gyno....does letro get rid of puffiness
 
i am not a rep for any of the two companies, Look at Anabolicminds or the IBE forums for logs and more anecdotal info. DR.D is the bringer of this, i am not making any profit telling you that it worked for me. I know I'm not reputable as some, i just wanted to spread the news man.
 
dbell51 said:
i dont understand the lump..lik ehow to chec for it.do u squeeze it or can u just push down and feel it...i have puffy nipples ecpecially my left 1 but im not sure if its gyno....does letro get rid of puffiness


yes it will.. however it will kill your libedo as well..

if indeed there were a natural that would reduce gyno, and or puffy nips.. i'd probably give it a shot..

but my write ups can be good.. or bad.. since i write what i think..

anywho..
 
redsamurai said:
3 posts and you're hawking a chemical? who are you working for? And also, it would be helpful if you supplied a link for information to back up your statements
I have nothing to do with this but I was looking at it the other day when trickdaddy had said some thing about it this is what I found...

Finally the PRO-Anabolic, anti-estrogen we have all been waiting for has arrived! Epistane™, exhibits a strong, long lasting anti-estrogen effect that is organ tissue specific. This means it works only where you want it to work. Broad range estrogen blockers and aromatase inhibitors can result in system shut down, aching joints, and decreased IGF-I expression. Epistane™ binds specifically to the 17β-estradiol receptor protein in the target tissues. Because of its long lasting and strong effects on specific tissue, Epistane™ can significantly reduce and reverse the effects of gynocomastia because not only does Epistane™ specifically block estrogen in breast tissue but it induces an estrogen-depleted condition which leads to apoptosis or the death of the breast tissue cells. Studies show that small doses of the parent compound, Epitiostanol, at just 10-20mg/week showed a complete disappearance of the mass and pain in 25% of the male patients in the clinical trail, while the other 75% of the patients showed at least a 50% reduction in the mass and complete loss of pain in just 4-8 weeks. That’s results in 100% of the male users with no side effects. While compounds such as Clomid and Nolvadex also block the 17β-estradiol receptor, they do not elicit the same increase in protein synthesis and strength gains that Epistane™ can offer.

Epistane™ is more than an anti-estrogen, though, as it also binds to androgen receptors in skeletal muscle. As a PRO-Anabolic compound Epistane™ promotes increases in strength and lean body mass with an anabolic/androgenic value (Q ratio) of 12. With most powerful androgens there is a high risk of the natural suppression of the gonads. Epistane™, unlike other PRO-Anabolic compounds that have recently been released, is relatively mild on the gonads and, due to the anti-estrogenic effects and the fact that Epistane™ keeps LH levels elevated, post cycle therapy becomes a breeze. All effects combined make Epistane™ a great compound to produce dry, lean gains in muscle mass with minimal side effects and suppression of the body’s natural androgen production, while lowering the effects of natural estrogen or combating estrogen from endogenous/exogenous sources. This makes it a powerful tool when combined with “wet” compounds in attempt to increase gains and decrease side effects. One can also not overlook the potential benefit of this compound taken alone, especially when recovering from periods of “wet” compounds. If you don’t want to worry about how your lipid and liver values are doing and whether or not you are going to get gynocomastia or not then get Epistane™, stop worrying, and experience what others are raving about!
 
can someone explain the physiology of a lump (i.e. hard glandular tissue) being permanently reduced or 'disintegrated' by letrozole or chems of the like? (beyond the fact that it lowers estrogen)
 
Im also a newbie on this forum but have been following Epistane logs for a while and it seems to be the real deal for gyno. After epistane's recent success its even been cloned and released here in South Africa by a local supplement company. You can even use it instead of nolva or proviron on cycle to prevent bloat, gyno and estrogenic sides.
 
It would be nice to have macro or ulter discuss this wouldn't it? With the exception of needto.....everyone pumping this product has like less than 10 posts here, and one guy whom it's done nothing for. Not banking on it or anything, but this is where we need in house chemists, ie. really smart mother fuckers, to look into it. And not just one guy, but many.........that's what made this board in the first place.
 
redsamurai said:
It would be nice to have macro or ulter discuss this wouldn't it? With the exception of needto.....everyone pumping this product has like less than 10 posts here, and one guy whom it's done nothing for. Not banking on it or anything, but this is where we need in house chemists, ie. really smart mother fuckers, to look into it. And not just one guy, but many.........that's what made this board in the first place.
well I am far from pumping it...all I did was pull up what I found on it....I in no way at all have any thing to do with epintine what ever it is.lol

I have bin looking some more on the subject and it dos look like some test have bin don on it to but I wont post them if fear of people thinking I have any thing to do with this stuff.
 
I am no chemist but I just spent a moment on the site and found a few problems, the site states "Studies show that small doses of the parent compound, Epitiostanol, at just 10-20mg/week showed a complete disappearance of the mass and pain in 25% of the male patients in the clinical trail, while the other 75% of the patients showed at least a 50% reduction in the mass and complete loss of pain in just 4-8 weeks. That’s results in 100% of the male users with no side effects. " but if you take a look around there are no references, and whats more interesting is that if you try looking for these "actual" studies from a search engine like google you won't find them.
If you do the same thing for compounds like nolvadex you will find actual studies, which were published, and this adds to their credibility.
Not saying that it wont work, just that I would like to see these studies and not simply be told by those who sell this product of the results of these studies.
 
the site also states that epistane binds to the 17β-estradiol receptor protein in the target tissues. After opening a book and looking this up I found that the 17B estradiol is the most powerful estrogen and can convert or metabolize into estrone, which in turn can convert into 2ahydroxyestrone and/or 16a-hydroxyestrone (these are two other estrogens) So if the epistane binds to 17B-estradiol and this prevent the metabolization or conversion into the 17B estradiol then it should work as an anti estrogen. But as far as reducing prolactin gyno I dont figure this out (execpt if like letrozole by reducing estrogen it fights prolactin gyno) because estrogen is a promoter of prolactin release.
As I already stated above if anyone has a link to the "studies" that would be great
 
Hello Elite peoples, just joined today and came across this thread. I've never had gyno or anything but have been taking Epistane for a week now and strength has gone up a little and have put on about 3 pounds of solid mass. This is a methylated compound that supposedly has anti estrogen properties as well. Many are considering using it towards the end of a cycle to taper down into PCT. There are a few logs at IBE where people have claimed it to get rid of gyno completely. I have no idea if any of the gyno claims are true, but almost everything else I've read has been accurate with me so far. BTW so far my libido has been VERY high while taking this.
 
which do you guys think to be more effective for combating existing gyno, epistane or letro? we need some more who have tried epistane....<is that pronounced "a piss stain"?
 
redsamurai said:
It would be nice to have macro or ulter discuss this wouldn't it? With the exception of needto.....everyone pumping this product has like less than 10 posts here, and one guy whom it's done nothing for. Not banking on it or anything, but this is where we need in house chemists, ie. really smart mother fuckers, to look into it. And not just one guy, but many.........that's what made this board in the first place.

More likely than not, the people promoting it work for the company who produces it. Ulter and Macro would likely just say "use AIFM instead".

Lets be realistic about what's going on here and what has gone on in the past.
 
ben dovergurl said:
which do you guys think to be more effective for combating existing gyno, epistane or letro? we need some more who have tried epistane....<is that pronounced "a piss stain"?

ba-bump
 
Anthony Roberts said:
More likely than not, the people promoting it work for the company who produces it. Ulter and Macro would likely just say "use AIFM instead".

Lets be realistic about what's going on here and what has gone on in the past.


AR is right on both accounts. Take everything with a grain of salt, realizing that those touting have a vested interest.

Needto came up with the only unbiased information. Nothing has been substantiated by credible posters. Time will tell.
 
genman said:
AR is right on both accounts. Take everything with a grain of salt, realizing that those touting have a vested interest.

Needto came up with the only unbiased information. Nothing has been substantiated by credible posters. Time will tell.

Honestly, it's the reason I very rarely promote my own nutritional products here anymore, or my books. The well has been poisoned by people in the past who answered "buy my product" to every thread.

I think my stuff is good, but I don't want to be seen like those people were...
 
Thegreatbambino45 said:
Lots of good bros at AM have had the same results.

Funny how lots of bros on boards sponsored by the makers of the product often get good results from it...
 
The politics in the supplement world never cease to amaze me. Im on the other side of the world and have nothing to gain from commenting on Epistane. Methylepitiostanol is bottled here in South Africa too now and is definitely the real deal. I have heard no negative reviews here about it by those who tried it and yes it does help get rid of gyno. I know IBE has a bad rap with many guys in the Industry including you Anthony but is that a reason to assume the compound is crap? Try Havoc or some other clone instead but there is definitely a place for this drug in the aas user's cabinet.
 
Mr. Matt said:
Hello Elite peoples, just joined today and came across this thread. I've never had gyno or anything but have been taking Epistane for a week now and strength has gone up a little and have put on about 3 pounds of solid mass. This is a methylated compound that supposedly has anti estrogen properties as well. Many are considering using it towards the end of a cycle to taper down into PCT. There are a few logs at IBE where people have claimed it to get rid of gyno completely. I have no idea if any of the gyno claims are true, but almost everything else I've read has been accurate with me so far. BTW so far my libido has been VERY high while taking this.

The politics in the supplement world never cease to amaze me. Im on the other side of the world and have nothing to gain from commenting on Epistane. Methylepitiostanol is bottled here in South Africa too now and is definitely the real deal. I have heard no negative reviews here about it by those who tried it and yes it does help get rid of gyno. I know IBE has a bad rap with many guys in the Industry including you Anthony but is that a reason to assume the compound is crap? Try Havoc or some other clone instead but there is definitely a place for this drug in the aas user's cabinet.

Once again...it's no surprise that boards owned by companies who produce a given product often produce glowing reviews of that product as well. It's also interesting that so many people who have only just signed up today have such great things to say about the product...

If you're looking to get rid of Gyno use Letro. It's been working for years.
 
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well i have more then 10 post to my name.... I read all the hype I ordered 3 bottles they are on back order so when they arrive I'll keep you guys updated..

I asked about this product 2 weeks ago and the thread got deleted I asked why and macro pmed me and said it was source posting and not approved on elite ..

thats when i knew it might be good ...

keeping a log when it arrives .......
 
chazk said:
well i have more then 10 post to my name.... I read all the hype I ordered 3 bottles they are on back order so when they arrive I'll keep you guys updated..

I asked about this product 2 weeks ago and the thread got deleted I asked why and macro pmed me and said it was source posting and not approved on elite ..

thats when i knew it might be good ...

keeping a log when it arrives .......

Technically, it's a steroid, I'm told (haven't looked into it enough though). So theoretically it's source posting...I guess...but posting something that is purported to remove Gyno and isn't AIFM was probably against Macro's own personal rules, more likely than not.
 
Lol its cool I know how it is. I joined 19 days ago so Im a small fish in a big pond. I respect your work and appreciate your passion Anthony but I hope if this compound proves itself you will come to the table.
 
Anthony Roberts said:
Technically, it's a steroid, I'm told (haven't looked into it enough though). So theoretically it's source posting...I guess...but posting something that is purported to remove Gyno and isn't AIFM was probably against Macro's own personal rules, more likely than not.
ya I saw that to its a "2a,3a-epithio17a methyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androstane"
100% methel test pretty much so why in the fuck would they sell it as a gyno reducer.and btw you are going to need to run pct after you use this shit.....Epistane is liver toxic
 
Very far from methyl test, the name is nothing like it. Androstane shows its a DHT derived steroid. Epithio shows its a sulphur containing steroid.Nothing like methyltest. Its structure is the same as the steroid epitiostanol used for breast cancer except for the 17a methyl added to make it orally bioavailable. Sure it will shutdown htpa and is liver toxic but so is every other oral that is a 17a methyl.
 
how long does the letro shut down your sex drive for....like does it just not make you want to have sex or you just cant perform?
 
Anthony Roberts said:
Funny how lots of bros on boards sponsored by the makers of the product often get good results from it...

exactly,,then when i try the products it does not work...to many products for me to name from the AM and BB.com forum
 
I just thought I'd share my experience with it so far. Like I said, I have no idea about how this product affects gyno personally, so I am not recommending it for that. If I had gyno, I might try this, but after using tried and true methods first. For a newer oral it ain't bad. Definitely would need PCT afterwards with a SERM.
 
did they push their products? yes.......were they knowledgable about alot of endocinological processes and how certain compounds or certain classes of compounds can behave in the human body....yes as well. So there was give and take........I think we got more than they took. Not everything was about what anafit was selling. And you personally had a very longstanding beef with them.......


Anthony Roberts said:
More likely than not, the people promoting it work for the company who produces it. Ulter and Macro would likely just say "use AIFM instead".

Lets be realistic about what's going on here and what has gone on in the past.
 
Pity so little is known about this drug and its parent compound. IBE could have done more to get some solid info. They dont even know the half life of Epistane. The following information from NCI (National Cancer Institute) on Epitiostanol I found quite interesting.

According to NCI's biological activity spectrum predictions Epitiostanol scores higher than Tamoxifen as an Estrogen Antagonist (0.975 vs. 0.844) and scores 0.977 as an androgen agonist and 0.969 as an anabolic which are higher than scores for dianabol, deca and winstrol. That must be worth something.

Yes epistane is methyl-Epitiostanol and obviously adding a 17a methyl to Epitiostanol would change its characteristics somewhat but judging from other steroids but it would still be similarly anabolic and probably more if not as androgenic.

http://129.43.27.140/ncidb2/ -NCI Database Browser.
 
redsamurai said:
did they push their products? yes.......were they knowledgable about alot of endocinological processes and how certain compounds or certain classes of compounds can behave in the human body....yes as well. So there was give and take........I think we got more than they took. Not everything was about what anafit was selling. And you personally had a very longstanding beef with them.......

As a matter of fact, I didn't have a long standing beef with them. Their board was the first one I was a member of, ever. I've known them for about 5 years, actually, all of which we were friendly. I had no beef with them at all until I was a member here, and committed the heresy of questioning one of their products. At that point, my posts were edited and deleted, and they personally attacked me.

You can see what I'm talking about in this thread where I didn't attack them at all personally, and they attacked me personally, professionally, etc:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=442485&page=6&pp=20&highlight=rugby

Which is basically how I now view them; as a result of their actions in this thread. Give it a read and let me know if I'm wrong.
 
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