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ChemWiz
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Thats where we have to part ways, if he was on 8 weeks of anavar, he was totally shut down. If his test levels are rising on the s4.....well, that point to not suppressive.
To each his own. i will be using sarms in all my PCT.
My SARMS-S4 Experience
- Thread starter mrplunkey
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Thats where we have to part ways, if he was on 8 weeks of anavar, he was totally shut down. If his test levels are rising on the s4.....well, that point to not suppressive.
To each his own. i will be using sarms in all my PCT.
DJLegacy2k1
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All medical studies state SARMS is suppressive (mildly), people are recovering at a MUCH slower rate and not getting back to 100%, how many more studies have to be done before people stop using SARMS in PCT.
People bash ROSS for his old "use steroids for pct" post but now people are fine using, what all signs point to as a suppressive compound for pct...Guess people arent worried about the documented facts anymore and only the "feelings and opinions" of people. If that was the case I should have made my first cycle "750mg test, Tren, A-bombs" because one bro at the gym "had zero sides" and said it was "completely safe". I'll stick with the medical journals we have so far and save the bro-ology for a later time, but I wish everyone a much speedier and full recovery that is using sarms pct. Because if the SARMS they are using is REAL, all medical reports state they should have light suppression.
-Legacy
truckdaddy
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Im a big fan of Legacys post, but I must respectfully disagree.
I have used anavar and tbol and been fully suppressed. These are what some people consider mildly suppressive compounds. After 5 weeks on anavar I am FULLY shut down. I know my body and when im shutdown and when Im not.
I have had NO suppression while on sarms at 50mgs ed and it looks like the blood tests are backing this up. Hell, the guy that started this thread was using closer to 100mgs ed and his levels were rising. Their test levels are going to be moving slower back up anyway when coming off a long test cycle. If the SARMs was suppressing them, they would not be rising at all. If your concerned, toss in a OTC test booster, but sarms at 50mgs ed will not suppress you.
that's my opinion. I have ran five or six, 4 week sarms cycles.....no suppression.
I have used anavar and tbol and been fully suppressed. These are what some people consider mildly suppressive compounds. After 5 weeks on anavar I am FULLY shut down. I know my body and when im shutdown and when Im not.
I have had NO suppression while on sarms at 50mgs ed and it looks like the blood tests are backing this up. Hell, the guy that started this thread was using closer to 100mgs ed and his levels were rising. Their test levels are going to be moving slower back up anyway when coming off a long test cycle. If the SARMs was suppressing them, they would not be rising at all. If your concerned, toss in a OTC test booster, but sarms at 50mgs ed will not suppress you.
that's my opinion. I have ran five or six, 4 week sarms cycles.....no suppression.
DJLegacy2k1
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Keep in mind guys, its dose dependent as well, so a 180lb guy may be suppressed more than a 225lb guy. 36mg was considered a high dose and the negative effects outweighed the positive gains in all medical studies when converted to a dose for a 200lb guy. That's all the info that has been documented in studies of S4, there are others that have actually shown better muscle and bone growth than s4, but we arent even using those for testing, we are using one that showed less positive effects on muscle and bone growth than even other sarms, Im just sayin, be careful because the ONLY medically documented info we have on this stuff contradicts what guys are "feeling". Just dont get comfortable till all the facts are in and can be more closely studied in controlled environments 
-Legacy
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metalfujimi
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You have a valid point, but how can you prove that Sarms S4 are even slightly suppressive when bloodwork shows peoples test levels actually rising during PCT? If S4 was slightly suppressive, wouldnt the test levels not be rising? Also, has anyone ran Sarms by itself, with blood work before to show initial levels, and bloodwork during to see if they have dropped at all? this would help the discussion alotKeep in mind guys, its dose dependent as well, so a 180lb guy may be suppressed more than a 225lb guy. 36mg was considered a high dose and the negative effects outweighed the positive gains in all medical studies when converted to a dose for a 200lb guy. That's all the info that has been documented in studies of S4, there are others that have actually shown better muscle and bone growth than s4, but we arent even using those for testing, we are using one that showed less positive effects on muscle and bone growth than even other sarms, Im just sayin, be careful because the ONLY medically documented info we have on this stuff contradicts what guys are "feeling". Just dont get comfortable till all the facts are in and can be more closely studied in controlled environments
-Legacy
truckdaddy
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This is what im saying!
yes, a guy at OLM ran it alone and claims to have no changes in hid free test levels.
I think I would rather be safe than sorry and atleast wait till after PCT to start my sarms.
metalfujimi
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yes, but one of the main proposed uses of Sarms was to use during PCT and not lose gains from the cycle.
mrplunkey
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Next time, I'm going to cycle 8 weeks, do a full PCT, take four weeks off, then immediately do a 6-8 week SARMS-S4 cycle.
Looking back, I should have waited more than 24 hours from my last HCG shot to my first SARMS-S4 dose.
you are making sense but the point is without sarms your test would bounce back more quickly to normal levels.With sarms seems it takes a lot longer.Pct is important to restore hormonal balance its not just about keeping gains.
