My SARMS-S4 Experience

[DJLegacy2k1]

POST CYCLE, UNLEASHED, SUSTAIN should most likely be enough for a low dose SARMS cycle just to be safe, I think even Nolva might be a little harsh for SARMS unless you are running an UNNEEDED high dose...

-Legacy

 

[EliteFitnessGuy]

mrplunky has been running around a 100mg ed I think, and his test levels are slowing moving up....Id say not very suppressive.

He is running 80 mg/day, if I remember well. His endogenous testosterone may go up, but the question is, if he really fully recovers. I doubt it. He is somewhere around 250 ng/dl now, which is just 50% of the average testosterone level.

I wouldn't use such a high dose. I think 30 mg/day should be entirely sufficient to prevent strength and muscle losses, and at the same time, it could be slightly anabolic. But theory is theory. I will see in mid-March, how my PCT plan worked.

 

[ChemWiz]

POST CYCLE, UNLEASHED, SUSTAIN should most likely be enough for a low dose SARMS cycle just to be safe, I think even Nolva might be a little harsh for SARMS unless you are running an UNNEEDED high dose...

-Legacy

there is no need for PCT with sarms. Thats one of the great things about it.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

ChemWiz,

This is a horrible MYTH that got started because of ONE VERY SPECIFIC DETAIL! I will find the original medical study that show that LOW DOSES technically around 30mg but in humans may be around 50mg show no shutdown BUT doses ANY higher than this then the subject will show SLIGHT shutdown of natural production...So people that are running 75-150mg like I have seen CAN and probably WILL have SOME type of shutdown. Even if it is just SLIGHT shutdown it should change everyones opinions on using SARMS as a PCT drug or think that NO PCT is needed. MOST of us can MOST LIKELY recover naturally on own own from the slight shutdown, but why would you want to risk it and why would you want to go a couple weeks with possible sides. Shutdown is DOSE dependent, so YES, PCT MAY NOT be needed in lower safer dose ranges, BUT if you bump it up, I would run some of these OTC products AT LEAST.

-Legacy

PS: SARMS is NEW and we dont have ALL of the answers yet, but any study showing the possibility of ANY shut down is not normally considered a good PCT tool. Although you may keep your strength we need MULTIPLE people to run it in PCT with bloodwork to REALLY get the whole picture.

 

[truckdaddy]

ChemWiz,

This is a horrible MYTH that got started because of ONE VERY SPECIFIC DETAIL! I will find the original medical study that show that LOW DOSES technically around 30mg but in humans may be around 50mg show no shutdown BUT doses ANY higher than this then the subject will show SLIGHT shutdown of natural production...So people that are running 75-150mg like I have seen CAN and probably WILL have SOME type of shutdown. Even if it is just SLIGHT shutdown it should change everyones opinions on using SARMS as a PCT drug or think that NO PCT is needed. MOST of us can MOST LIKELY recover naturally on own own from the slight shutdown, but why would you want to risk it and why would you want to go a couple weeks with possible sides. Shutdown is DOSE dependent, so YES, PCT MAY NOT be needed in lower safer dose ranges, BUT if you bump it up, I would run some of these OTC products AT LEAST.

-Legacy

PS: SARMS is NEW and we dont have ALL of the answers yet, but any study showing the possibility of ANY shut down is not normally considered a good PCT tool. Although you may keep your strength we need MULTIPLE people to run it in PCT with bloodwork to REALLY get the whole picture.

I know guys that have run higher doses with no shutdown, and yes, with blood work.

I have been up around 80mg ed with no shutdown. Other compounds shut me down very hard.

 

[cougar8]

This is great feedback you guys...thanks to everyone who has shared their experiences with SARMS. DJLEGACY makes a good point about shutdown being at higher doses but I do believe Truckdaddy when he says that he hasn't had any shutdown as well. This is why drug companies perform clinical trials because everyone reacts in different ways to these compounds and I hope everyone here at EF will continue to posts results. Have our own little miniclinical trial.

 

[truckdaddy]

This is great feedback you guys...thanks to everyone who has shared their experiences with SARMS. DJLEGACY makes a good point about shutdown being at higher doses but I do believe Truckdaddy when he says that he hasn't had any shutdown as well. This is why drug companies perform clinical trials because everyone reacts in different ways to these compounds and I hope everyone here at EF will continue to posts results. Have our own little miniclinical trial.

who can say at higher doses, but any kind of oral shuts me down HARD. Even the pro-hormone stuff does.

Sarms did no such thing....no shutdown.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

who can say at higher doses, but any kind of oral shuts me down HARD. Even the pro-hormone stuff does.

Sarms did no such thing....no shutdown.

The problem is some people can shoot a gram of multiple AAS and not get ANY sides and some people lose their hair and get gyno. There are documented studies of some shutdown with SARMS AND if you check the supplement section, several people have reported "WACKY" libido, on and off issues, and I have read on several other boards in my searches of people feeling shutdown when at 100mg and above. Its not SAFE to keep telling people that there is NO RISK of shutdown. LOW DOSES are MOST LIKELY FINE, but not specifically addressing that THERE COULD BE THE POSSIBILITY of shutdown in people at higher doses isnt very responsible either. I mean several of the original trials on SARMS medically are posted around the board if you can find the threads and they someone had even specifically HIGHLIGHTED the documented part about the risk of shut down. It said something like "at doses above 30mg in animal trials, the risks outweighed the positive effects." Risks included shutdown and other sides related to steroid use.

I just dont think its safe to go around telling everyone that its PERFECTLY SAFE and that SARMS has NO RISK OF SHUTDOWN, when its been documented and just because certain individuals havent had sides there are people on many boards including our own that had libido issues or other minor sides. I mean Im sure hoping people that are running 3 compounds of AAS for 12 weeks that dont get sides arent going around telling everyone that since they didnt have sides that anyone can and should do it with no worry. Im glad YOU didnt have any sides TRUCKDADDY and Im glad some other users havent but that doesnt mean we shouldnt mention that THERE is some RISK, whether SLIGHT or not, if its a health concern people should be aware so they can at least keep an eye on their own body and know what to look our for. BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY...

I love SARMS, Im almost done my first bottle, I might even run another at 50mg ED because my vision sides came on for a couple days bad, then got better after a couple days. I attempted to run around 100mg for a couple days and I didnt feel my guys get any smaller but my libido hasnt been 100%, I have GREAT ENERGY, GREAT RECOVERY, GREAT STRENGTH, but I havent felt like "hookin up" with any of the females Im normally "hanging out" with. Im not running anything else other than LIPOSHRED STACK because I love it for energy and focus. I dont think this is MAJOR, my STUFF still works fine but the desire hasnt been there for about a week and a half, if I NEED the equipment to work it will. I am obviously keeping an eye on it, but I am having good effects for burning fat and gaining a little or saving muscle mass with my increased CARDIO right now while getting ready for Spring Basketball.

Im just saying, keep an eye on things and REMIND people that they MAY (not def will) have some sides if they decide to push 100mg or higher, thats all.

-Legacy

 

[mrplunkey]

I just finished my sarms run and I'm going to do a few 500 IU shots of HCG (probably E3D) just to make sure I start back up.

My delimma will be whether to cycle test or SARMS-S4 next. I like the juicy-juice mental feeling of testosterone, but I actually prefer the more even keel I get on SARMS-S4. Also, having no bloat yet keeping that on-cycle body composition makes me look less like a gorilla in a business suit.

Chances are, I'll probably cycle more SARMS than I do test going forward.

 

[ceo]

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