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makaveli25
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ive read a lot from people saying that low doses of provirion 25mg-50mg wont hinder recovery
More bloodwork round 2, totally shut down
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I'll echo nj's first statement. No offense guys but there's some terrible advice here.
Nolvaa? Why? Do you have gynecomastia? You didn't even list your estrogen.
I also don't mean to rub it in your face but the next time someone says any of the following...
Time on equals time off.
You need 12 week cycles,
Decca can't hurt you.
Show then your post.
You may be fucked but the last thing you should be doing is stuff like Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - and aifm and proviron.
You have 2 choices bro and two choices only.
#1; Run some Hc G to try and kickstart your hpta - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - . You lh - leutenizing hormone - is so low it may not help though. Find out what your estrogen is and treat it properly. Use natural substances -- UNLEASHED, Derma, POST CYCLE, MyogenX. Take them consistently for 2 months. If your levels are up, great. Take a break from all gear for at least another year after that.
Or, go on HRT. At 26, that's a sin. But you have no one to blame but yourself.
Good luck and feel better.
Nolvaa? Why? Do you have gynecomastia? You didn't even list your estrogen.
I also don't mean to rub it in your face but the next time someone says any of the following...
Time on equals time off.
You need 12 week cycles,
Decca can't hurt you.
Show then your post.
You may be fucked but the last thing you should be doing is stuff like Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - and aifm and proviron.
You have 2 choices bro and two choices only.
#1; Run some Hc G to try and kickstart your hpta - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - . You lh - leutenizing hormone - is so low it may not help though. Find out what your estrogen is and treat it properly. Use natural substances -- UNLEASHED, Derma, POST CYCLE, MyogenX. Take them consistently for 2 months. If your levels are up, great. Take a break from all gear for at least another year after that.
Or, go on HRT. At 26, that's a sin. But you have no one to blame but yourself.
Good luck and feel better.
makaveli25
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Nelson Montana said:
why the hell would he run otc supplement for a couple months.. he already tried that an it got him to 112... this is the only board i have been on that reccomends otc products for people who are completely shutdown.. this is bad advice.. theres another post a couple down a about a bro who ran myogenex and he hasn;t recovered..
bro use some real drugs and hit it hard and maybe throw in some dermasustain to take the edge off of the clomid.... good luck
makaveli25 said:
Wrong again bro. On several accounts.
Where does he say he used OTC supps, and which ones. I GUARANTEE if he took UNLEASSHED and POST CYCLE, it wouldn't be this bad. But nothing is a sure fire fix.
The guy who ran MyogenX didn't run anything else. No UNLEASHED. No POST CYCLE . That was a huge mistake. Don't lump someone elses mistake in with this one.
You're also wrong to recommend more drugs (and hitting them hard) which will just cause further suppression. Don't do that. Derma is great but DOES NOT take any "edge" off of Clomid. Not even needto or PP claim that.
makaveli25
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bullshit they mention it about 1000 times.. they say to take dermacrine sustain and if you want throw in some clomid because the dermacrine sustain helps with the side effects... it helped me with my side effects from using theses strong drugs... i belive your poducts work but its messed up that you guys are pushing them soo hard on people and telling them to give up proven drugs that doctors have been using for decades.. fertility clinincs!!!! doctors perscribe clomid to people!!! your setting alot of people up to hurt themselves.. all the otc products should be at the end of the list as a little added kick a libido boost... you dont see any other board catching on to this.. dont you think if these protocols work unleashed post cycle blablablalbla youd here it catching on everywhere else!!! thats all im gonna say..
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Tatyana
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tical said:
I would think and endocrinologist would give you a prescription for this.
As I mentioned, I would start to take St. John's Wort for the depression, it is just as effective as a number of pharma anti-D's, without the sides.
I had a training buddy who just went through this, his test levels were that of a woman about 9 months after his cycle, he was 23.
It took a year to get back to normal, but his LH/FSH were not as low as yours, and now his test levels are at the lower end of normal.
needtogetaas
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To tell you the truth there are other boards catching on to the derma/and the stuff thats in derma and dermacrine sustain. As you know I do a lot of searching the net and there are some pretty big size boards using dermacrine sustain now for pct. I will not post links to them on ef but if you would like a list go ahead and pm me I will hook you up.,makaveli25 said:
I for one am not close minded. I want to help not sell products. Yes of course its nice if some one gets some derma but if its not going to help I will not tell them to use it... With that being said I don't think I saw him post up his exact
pct. I know he said he used dermacrine sustain (off and on) and it did raise is levels even though he used it (off and on).
mac if you could lay out your whole cycle and pct with as much detail as you can. That would really help out a lot in terms of giving you some good advice.
Did you use hcg??? Did you use clomid??? Did you use dermacrine sustain??? How did you use the dermacrine sustain???? What compounds did you use? when did you start pct? get every thing out clear as a bell. Thanks
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