More bloodwork round 2, totally shut down

[shredded87]

try this bro
HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - 1000iu eod for 3wks
AIFM 2 sprays ed for 6wks
proviron 50mg ed for 6wks
clomid 100mg ed for 1wk then 50mg ed for 5wks
Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - 20mg ed for 6wks

YUP THAT WILL BRING YA BACK

 

[njmuscleguy]

I see alot of bad advice here, IMO...

First, if the guy is feeling like crap to begin with, running no-lva AND clo-mid will make him want to shoot himself... it's overkill and it's just begging for heavy sides!

I won't even discuss no-lva.... say goodbye to any libido! I'm not a fan of clo-mid but let's face it, it works for people. 25-50mg ED for a minimum of 4 weeks. Another alternative is Derma Sustain... it will help maintain libido and general sense of well-being.

As for H C G, he should run a low, daily dosage... it's been shown that dosages of 250-500iu daily increased test levels substantially. In fact, you run the risk of continued or greater suppression with higher dosages of H C G. So 500iu ED for 10-14 days should do the trick.

I personally wouldn't gamble with AIFM in this case... it works for some, not others... better off with a tried and true A I such as a-dex or aro-masin. He only needs to run it alongside the H C G and for 3-5 days after...that's it. (this is just to prevent estro spikes from H C G).

This should help with actual recovery. You could throw in some OTC supplements that might not do much for actual recovery but will at least make you feel better in the process.

Good luck!

 

[Tatyana]

OTC supps I would recommend is 1500 mg of St. John's Wort everyday to help to deal with the depression you may experience, or help to prevent it, as this is another one of the possible sides.

I think seeing the endocrinologist that you will be refered to would be a good idea as well.

It may take some time for your recovery, but it is possible.

 

[makaveli25]

I see alot of bad advice here, IMO...

First, if the guy is feeling like crap to begin with, running no-lva AND clo-mid will make him want to shoot himself... it's overkill and it's just begging for heavy sides!

I won't even discuss no-lva.... say goodbye to any libido! I'm not a fan of clo-mid but let's face it, it works for people. 25-50mg ED for a minimum of 4 weeks. Another alternative is Derma Sustain... it will help maintain libido and general sense of well-being.

As for H C G, he should run a low, daily dosage... it's been shown that dosages of 250-500iu daily increased test levels substantially. In fact, you run the risk of continued or greater suppression with higher dosages of H C G. So 500iu ED for 10-14 days should do the trick.

I personally wouldn't gamble with AIFM in this case... it works for some, not others... better off with a tried and true A I such as a-dex or aro-masin. He only needs to run it alongside the H C G and for 3-5 days after...that's it. (this is just to prevent estro spikes from H C G).

This should help with actual recovery. You could throw in some OTC supplements that might not do much for actual recovery but will at least make you feel better in the process.

Good luck!

how is what we gave him bad advice.. if youve been totally shutdown for that long whyn't take an aggresive approach.. running derma sustain for two months isn;t gonna bring you back from complete shutdown..i agree with lower doses of hcg though.. i think i will change that in my own pct

 

[njmuscleguy]

how is what we gave him bad advice.. if youve been totally shutdown for that long whyn't take an aggresive approach.. running derma sustain for two months isn;t gonna bring you back from complete shutdown..i agree with lower doses of HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - though.. i think i will change that in my own PCT - post cycle therapy -

I didn't say it was *all* bad advice... I don't know for sure that Sustain will help him in this case, I just put it out there as an option to clo-mid or no-lva. What I did say is that if he decides on the clo-mid or nolva route, he should take one or the other...not both....waaaay too many sides and the recovery would be the same IMO.....And I think we're in agreement about the H C G... less is more.

 

[tical]

try this bro
HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - 1000iu eod for 3wks
AIFM 2 sprays ed for 6wks
proviron 50mg ed for 6wks
clomid 100mg ed for 1wk then 50mg ed for 5wks
Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - 20mg ed for 6wks

i hear from a very respected man on another board this has brought back people after being on for up to 8 months at a time.. once a i get everything gathered im gonna run this to get my baseline compelelty back to normal... why cant you get clomid and Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - and some HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - they have them at research sites bro.. this is one invenstment you cant fail to make.. theres no excuse why you cant go to one of the sponsors sites on any bodybuilding board and get more than half the stuff i listed

the hcg is the prob the rest i can get

 

[tical]

ive got a few questions for you bro.. how do you feel? have you lost a lot of weight? how is your strenght..

honestly, i havent been to the gym in about a month... my motivation is totally shot

my strength sucks and my weight is about the same but i think its just fat replacing muscle

i feel like shit... sometimes i'll feel 'normal' but then other times i feel like i have 1000 problems and my life just sucks, etc

seriously, random spurts of depression

i'm barely ever horny anymore and can not keep wood w/o cialis or viagra right now... if i try i just lose it halfway through cuz i'm not even into it

i dont even enjoy sex right now, i just do it cuz there's pussy in my face

seriously, i was out with my boys and we met these girls that were all over us and i just went home because it seemed like too much of a hassle to bring chicks back to my place, etc.. can you believe that shit?

 

[tical]

ok so updating the pct based on nj's feedback

500iu of HCG ed for 2 weeks
20mg nolvadex ed for 5 weeks

i'm prone to mood swings and feeling shitty so i wont touch clomid

i tried derma sustain but at this point i dont think it helped me much however my first bloodwork test was a bit higher (112) when i was using it on and off for a couple of weeks as opposed to the most recent (54) when i was off so i must agree it does do something

i just need my natural levels back up there so i dont want to confuse myself with anything else during pct until i get my baseline established

if this pct doesn't bring me back fully, should i do another? how long should i wait if so?

 

[makaveli25]

when will you have all your stuff together.. your pct supplies.. if its gonna take awhile jump on some regular dermacrine it will make you feel better until you can run a pct

 

[tical]

wouldn't proviron sort of hinder things since its androgenic, just like another steroid right?