Is anyone else on juice for medical puposes and also does cycles for BB puposes?

[ironcowboy]

This was a great thread that I just discovered.

I'm on HRT as well (10g Androgel/day) and have wondered about supplementing this with some weekly enanthate or such of about 200mg. Maybe 2-4 on /4 off and maybe indefinitely. Does anyone have any thoughts/knowledge about this idea. I'm just throwing out ideas here. Do you guys think that something like this would effect your libido?

 

[wayne and zeus]

HRT over here:

Blood test results received today(results below) and another question which I believe was answered on this thread. Thanks everybody.

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2029

 

[geoboy]

what would be the equivilent dosage to 100 mg test eth every 5 days if using Androgel? would results be about the same?

This is a great topic! I suspect many elite bodybuildes are on HRT for obvious reasons. I would like to contribute my experience with this.
I am a doctor, and I have developed a system of HRT that works best for me. I have had about 20 bloodtests to get the dosage right. I am in my early 30s and weigh 242lbs with 5-6%BF at about 6,1. I have been using 100mg of test enanthate every 5 days. I take 0.5mg arimidex on the day I inject, and 0.5mg on the 3rd day. I also take 1.25mg of finasteride ED in addition to ZMA and saw palmetto. I take whey protein (isopure), N-acetly cysteine (NAC), and large amout of green tea extract. This combination of hormones, drugs and supplements was derived from the results of many bloodtests measuring basically everything including liver enzymes, total and free test, estradiol, DHT. I maintain a free test level that is at the "peak" of normal. I have also noticed that eating fish (about 2lbs salmon/day) and doing consistent cardio has given me an excellent lipid profile. Using HRT is a quality of life issue for me, and has allowed me to maintain an extra 10-15 lbs of muscle with extreme vascularity and muscularity. My libido is always very high, and drops if I use a higher dosage of test. I would like to hear how other people have "customized" their HRT.

 

[geoboy]

have you tried the androderm (patch) to compare with the androgel?

Let's keep this topic going, i think it could be helpful to many.
Nelson Montana-I will take your recommendation on using Nettle, although I will contiune with saw palmetto because I believe it's helping preserve my hairline. I use anti-Es (arimidex) becaue I am prone to gyno. I had surgery for gyno when I was in my early teens. Although i had only a small amount of breast tissue it was noticeable becaue i was very lean. I found that using a very small amount of arimidex (1 tab/5 days) keeps my estrogen at 15 to 25 ng/L, which is toward the low end of normal. I started using HRT at a young age because I am aware of the benefits of "optimal" test levels. I also plan on adopting a child so a lower sperm count is not an issue with me. Also, I have noticed very little if any testicular trophy. I do not use HCG, but I may consider it's use in the future. I have found my libido is optimal when my test level is physiologically optimal (high end of normal). this is nature's way of saying "you are at the right dosage". Using in excess of 200mg a week is too much for meand puts my test well above normal. I tried using Androgel at first...and it worked great, but I seem to notice more hair loss and i much prefer the shots at 100mg every 5 days. In addition to this I will do two 8 week cycles/year at a low dose (mainly deca and anavar).

 

[AOS]

Great thread.

Free Test 50-210 pg/mL. This can be confusing to some because the units of measurement are different depending on the lab that does the work.

I had a lab test done recently and the lab provide a ref range of 10.0-55.0 pg/mL (yes, pg/mL) for free testosterone.


I got this from LEF:

Male Reference Range
Test Type

66-417 nanogram/dL
FWRA

12.3-63%
%FWRA

5-21 nanogram/dL
UF or ETD

50-210 picogram/mL
UF or ETD

1.0-2.7%
% of free by UF or ETD

To illistrate this point, the reference values for measuring free testosterone from Quest Diagnostics follow:

Adult Male (20-60+ years):
1.0-2.7% 50-210 pg/mL
Optimal Range: 150-210 pg/mL
for aging men without
prostate cancer.



Mine is in neither category. And my lab was Quest. I'm confused. Can anyone enlighten me?

 

[Fast Twitch Fiber]

I have found that my receptors don't stay fresh with the HRT so when I start a cycle I don't get the dramatic growth. However, I keep more of the gains afterward. Maybe I just need to bump the dosages up on my cycle to get good gains.

 

[GoinDeep]

Bump for a great thread (and so I can find it), I will add my experience w/HRT soon.

 

[Laser0001]

Nelson I have experimented between 100 to 300 a week of
cypinate. At 200mg total test is at 900ish, estrogen on the lowside, & DHT is on the high side. I always feel bloated any help you could give?

 

[Dial_tone]

This is an excellent thread but I would like to add one thing for the people asking about 300-500mg HRT therapy. Don't forget that HRT=hormone REPLACMENT therapy. 500mg/week isn't HRT, it's a steroid cycle because nobody is putting out that much test naturally. Let's call a spade a spade. If you want to juice that's your choice but I don't see the point of trying to sneak under the HRT radar.

 

[easy]

This is an excellent thread but I would like to add one thing for the people asking about 300-500mg HRT therapy. Don't forget that HRT=hormone REPLACMENT therapy. 500mg/week isn't HRT, it's a steroid cycle because nobody is putting out that much test naturally. Let's call a spade a spade. If you want to juice that's your choice but I don't see the point of trying to sneak under the HRT radar.

True. Most docs wont prescribe more than 100mgs/e 5 days. Still nice to have get what you need legit. Gota love refills.