Is anyone else on juice for medical puposes and also does cycles for BB puposes?

[biggerthanu450]

Nelson, Can you direct me to a reference that demonstrates avena sativa lowers SHBG? Or, do your blood test results show this? My free test to total test ratio was higher after taking finasteride and a small amount of arimidex. I have not tried Avena Sativa, but I'm interested if there is evidence for it's ability to lower SHBG.

 

[Triple J]

I am trying to figure this out for myself right now. I have run 300mg test enanthate the last two weeks and my sex drive is in the dirt. Plus I feel lousy, tired all the time, etc. I have had some bloat and puffy nip problems as well, at times, when I tried to ease off the adex. Which I have been running about .5mg day and some nolva 10 mg day.

This reminds me I never could run too much test without feeling crappy this goes back to my twenties. And it does not seem worth the hassle of running the anti-e's all the time.

So right now I am going to cut back the dose to 100-150mg /wk or so, and see if that brings my sex drive and energy levels into line. Hopefully arrive at a level where I can get by without anti-e's, or something like some Proviron (I can probably get a topical DHT made up from my doc). At some point, I'll need to do some blood work to confirm everything - I have had it done before, so kind of know where I sit as a baseline, as it relates to my clinical observations. Then, if that does the trick, I guess I'll just look to run an anabolic on top of it from time to time.

Besides avena sativa, any ideas for increasing free test?

My research shows that keeping estrogen at low normal will probably help the most.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Triple: The topical DHT will help with the gyno and libido. Try replacing the test with some Primo and/or anavar. The ant-e's can be killing your libido as well.

I use Avena Sativa powder and put it into caps. There are some studies about it's effects on SHBG. Don't have them handy but I'm sure ou can do a search. I never had a test but I know my morning erections are much more prevelant when using Avena and I get some back acne -- both signs of increased free T.

There's been some talk about Carao working in a similar fashion to Avena but so far, all that's been proven is that it increases red blood cell count.

 

[biggerthanu450]

HRT= Hormone Replacement Therapy

Has anyone had their cholesterol checked after using HRT...what are your results. Also what were your liver enzymes?
My liver enymes are always slightly above normal which is normal for me. My total cholesterol is about 135, HDL is usually normal, but goes way down when using higher levels of test.

 

[danish424]

Any of you guys have insomnia or some kind of sleeping problems because of HRT? Would that be a sign of too high a dose as test can stimulate the CNS?

Nelson: So 250mg weekly only brings your total up to 800ng? How much do you thing that level fluctuates between weekly shots?

Also, it would seem logical that one could keep gaining on 250mg. Hell, it's possible on natural test (which more or less stays the same), atleast up until a point which is what we call the natural limit.

 

[danish424]

What's a good Proviron dosage for HRT purposes, with 250mg test? 25mg ED enough? Trying to get a script for that as well. Great thread so far BTW.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Actually it's only 200 a week and sometimes I'll do just 100 if I feel that's all I need. It "hovers" around 800 ngs but naturally it's higher after the shot and lower at the end. If I do the AndroGel it's more even.

At age 49 and 30 years of training, I'm not going to get any bigger -- not without putting on more fat, that is. 190 is perfect for me. Everyone is different though.

Liver, PSA, RBC and HDL/LDL are all good, but I take precautions. (Lycopene, Milk Thistle etc)

 

[Mr. Las Vegas]

Do any of you guys use Clomid for post cycle therapy?
Bigger: What doses of Deca do you use? and do you feel it is harder to recover when using it?

 

[biggerthanu450]

I had used clomid for post-cycle recovery in the past, but I was not too impressed with it, although I never took over 50mg/day. I did get an elevation of natural test levels, but they went down a few weeks after discontinuing it.
I use Laurabolin instead of regular Deca, and I fontload with 300mg the first week, then only 50mg every 5 days. I also use 20mg/day of anavar for 4 weeks at the start of my cycle. Laura has a very long half life and the results are slow to come, but by the 4th week my pumps are incredible (probably from the anavar), and it helps me retain the gains from anavar. I continue to feel the effects of Laurabolin for at least a month after discontinuing its use. I think deca will shut you down hard with high dosages and longer cycles. It will take at least 4-6 months to get back to normal test levels.....if you are lucky. This is not an issue when using HRT.

 

[biggerthanu450]

I would be interested to hear from people who are using a higher dose of test for HRT (eg. 500mg/week). What results are you getting? Do you get bloodwork done? And, are you using anti-E's continuously to keep estrogen side effects to a minimum?