Is anyone else on juice for medical puposes and also does cycles for BB puposes?

[Nelson Montana]

Come on norr...those shots are nothing. You use an insulin needle and it's water going in.

bigger: You're obviously a big dude with little fat. It's interesting that you too feel libido drops if T gets too high. This is something I haven't addressed, nor have I seen addressed elsewhere. But it's facinating! I guess only the guys in the "late show" are aware of this. There seems to be an optimum "high" when it comes to test. It could be that youthful levels are optium. Once again. Mother Nature knows best. (Okay, so we need a little help from Mister Enanthate).

But why the anti-e's? A dose that low won't aromatize.

I wouldn't recomend Saw Palmetto because it inhibits too much DHT. If I get symptoms of BPH I take Nettles which reduces inflamation but also helps release free testosterone.

I"m also assuming since you went on so young, there must have been extenuating circumstances.

And as an aside, I can't take Green Tea because I'm a little hypothyroid (Never took thyroid drugs, it was something else -- long story) ) Green Tea is high in flouride and flouride slows thyroid function.

 

[danish424]

Biggerthanu: Why the loss of libido, if dose is increased?

 

[buffdoc]

Biggerthanu:
I do something similar: my problem is figuring out where my optimal estradiol levels is. I've heard from other docs to keep it around 20. Comments?

 

[biggerthanu450]

Let's keep this topic going, i think it could be helpful to many.
Nelson Montana-I will take your recommendation on using Nettle, although I will contiune with saw palmetto because I believe it's helping preserve my hairline. I use anti-Es (arimidex) becaue I am prone to gyno. I had surgery for gyno when I was in my early teens. Although i had only a small amount of breast tissue it was noticeable becaue i was very lean. I found that using a very small amount of arimidex (1 tab/5 days) keeps my estrogen at 15 to 25 ng/L, which is toward the low end of normal. I started using HRT at a young age because I am aware of the benefits of "optimal" test levels. I also plan on adopting a child so a lower sperm count is not an issue with me. Also, I have noticed very little if any testicular trophy. I do not use HCG, but I may consider it's use in the future. I have found my libido is optimal when my test level is physiologically optimal (high end of normal). this is nature's way of saying "you are at the right dosage". Using in excess of 200mg a week is too much for meand puts my test well above normal. I tried using Androgel at first...and it worked great, but I seem to notice more hair loss and i much prefer the shots at 100mg every 5 days. In addition to this I will do two 8 week cycles/year at a low dose (mainly deca and anavar).

 

[Stillgoing]

Biggerthanu,

Enthanate is not FDA approved is it? So, can your doctor prescribe it? Also, do you believe there would be any practical difference in your therapy using enth vs. cyp?

Finally, for everyone, what is an optimal free test level? What is low?

 

[Stillgoing]

bump

 

[biggerthanu450]

Yes, enanthate is FDA approved, but doctors will push to give you androgel instead, so most people who want to use Enanthate for HRT will end up using noFDA approved Test from Mexico.
Depending on the specific units being used, normal estradiol is 13-55ng/L, Total test 300-1000 ng/dL, and Free Test 50-210 pg/mL. This can be confusing to some because the units of measurement are different depending on the lab that does the work. I keep my free test between 170 and 210, and this has made a huge difference in my quality of life over the course of a year.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Enanthate is FDA approved. So is cyp, and they're the same thing. Sometimes when filling a script for one, they'll give me the other. They're that interchangable.

Guys wonder why their libido drops whn they're on a lot of test. You see people giving advice about adding stupid amounts of test to a cycle to maintain libido. Libido and T is not unlike heart health and T. Too little is bad. Too much is bad. As with everything else in life, it's all about BALANCE. This is why when cyclng I believe once T levels are brought to the high end, a more "anabolic" stack works better toward developing more solid muscle.

Acceptable T levels are 300 to 900 ngs. (I've seen some charts that say 200 to 1000) A good anabolic and sexual energy enviorment without being at risk of heart diease or prosate problems is around 700 - 800. Before HRT my T was 400. Now it's hovers around 800 -- not enough to get much bigger, but enough to feel and look better. And again, SHBG increases with age, so a younger guy with 800 ngs may fare better, wheras some guys can have 1000 ngs and feel flat. The Avena Sativa helps.

 

[Stillgoing]

Enanthate is FDA approved. So is cyp, and they're the same thing. Sometimes when filling a script for one, they'll give me the other. They're that interchangable.

Guys wonder why their libido drops whn they're on a lot of test. You see people giving advice about adding stupid amounts of test to a cycle to maintain libido. Libido and T is not unlike heart health and T. Too little is bad. Too much is bad. As with everything else in life, it's all about BALANCE. This is why when cyclng I believe once T levels are brought to the high end, a more "anabolic" stack works better toward developing more solid muscle.

Acceptable T levels are 300 to 900 ngs. (I've seen some charts that say 200 to 1000) A good anabolic and sexual energy enviorment without being at risk of heart diease or prosate problems is around 700 - 800. Before HRT my T was 400. Now it's hovers around 800 -- not enough to get much bigger, but enough to feel and look better. And again, SHBG increases with age, so a younger guy with 800 ngs may fare better, wheras some guys can have 1000 ngs and feel flat. The Avena Sativa helps.

Good posts guys, thanks. I will get my test results back in a day or so, and will be making the HRT decision based on the results.

 

[kbrkbr]

Nelson, what kind of avena sativa are you using? Caro? Caps? Thanks.