Im going to marry this girl one day and I havent even met her yet.*PICS*

[musclemom]

I agree that one should look for a mate to suit their wants and needs.

I do however disagree with this notion that Latin women are "submissive, retiring spouse" they truly are NOT like this. They are very strong and determined. Their value system is just different.

Well they are and they aren't as you said, different value system.

The best example I can think of is that a Latin woman will want her husband to make certain types of decisions and won't even want to get involved in that stuff or even care about it (usually outside of the house stuff, but also bills, she won't be very interested in working, etc.) but other shit she'll go to the mat on, usually internal household shit, kid stuff, etc.

Just generalizations, and I frigging hate talking in generalizations.

In a nutshell, Latin families are patriarichal, and American economy is generally forcing families out of that mold. The divorce rate is increasing, and women have to be able to support themselves and make household decisions. In North America, you don't raise a daughter with the expectation that she will eventually be a wife, and expect her to have a husband who will take on the economic responsibility of her life. You raise a daughter to go to college and be able to take care of herself.

 

[TC2]

I agree that one should look for a mate to suit their wants and needs.

I do however disagree with this notion that Latin women are "submissive, retiring spouse" they truly are NOT like this. They are very strong and determined. Their value system is just different.

Word...my woman is fierce and most definitely not a push over.

Too many people confuse being "submissive" with being dominated or walked on or treated badly.

Which not always the case..their culture simply takes great pride in taking care of their man and their families. They enjoy being a woman and the man being a man.

 

[LuluDeren]

I never said such a thing. You were also upset that my opinion was not more to your liking since I'm an Admin...

Where did I say you mentioned 'monster'? I made a generalized statement based on many posts I've read in c&c....and from the vitriolic responses in a Bikinimom thread, ALONE, my contention would be supported..

Again, I am not upset about your opionion in your capacity as a poster-I have no vested interest in the outcome of your life, so no reason to be upset about your personal decisions.

Look, I gave you my point of view and my opinion. I never said I had anything against American women or just women in general. I simply stated that the values of Latin American women are more in tune with some of our needs and wants when searching for a suitable mate.

Yes, you did simply give your opinion, and it was probably just a cumulative effect which set wrong with me when I read this line: 'settling with whomever we can stand just enough to not murda'. Still, Musclemom hit the cultural disparity right on the head when she posted (and I could not say it better): "In North America, you don't raise a daughter with the expectation that she will eventually be a wife, and expect her to have a husband who will take on the economic responsibility of her life. You raise a daughter to go to college and be able to take care of herself."

Each person should be allowed the freedom to search for a mate based on their personal needs and wants, and travel as far as they have to in that search.

See the difference here is, I would never enumerate all the (perceived) faults of any particular race in comparison to another, especially considering I am far from perfect. (and 'NO" you didn't list these)

If you find my opinion is objectionable, that is your right. You can take it any way you like.

I will say... This complete overreaction to my voicing a simple opinion is a trait I personally would not find appealing in a mate (not that I'm looking or anything). I would LIKE to be able to have an opinion about something and not have the person I'm talking to try to make me feel bad over it. So far I haven't read a single line from you supporting your argument or refuting mines. You have just basically condemned my opinion, without offering one of your own...
Sadly, I can't say I'm surprised, its a fairly typical MO.

LOL. I'm not soliciting for a mate.

How would I refute your argument? Why would I want to? I made a statement based on many posts I've witnessed at EF...no way you can disprove the saturation of misogynistic posts (unless you chose to delete them). I have no experience with Latino culture nor South American cultures, so no opinion to forward in regards to it.

 

[Mr. dB]

When she's 40 she's going to be enormous.

 

[Big Rick Rock]

In North America, you don't raise a daughter with the expectation that she will eventually be a wife, and expect her to have a husband who will take on the economic responsibility of her life. You raise a daughter to go to college and be able to take care of herself.

I think this is another misconception and not accurate at all.

There are plenty of professional women in Latin America. Women go to college and earn their degrees just like the men do. Women participate in government and own their businesses.

This idea that the Latin American women who marry Americans are illiterate farm girls is completely wrong. Most of the women to get to meet, talk to and marry good American men are computer literate college women, most of them speak English.

This thinking that Latin American women only hold on to their values because they are not college educated or have no goals in life is WRONG. There are plenty of women in Latin America who earn more than their husbands. The value system is the same even then. I personally KNOW two women who are the bread winners in their homes in Colombia, they still hold the values they learned since birth...

YES, under the Latin American values a Man is ultimately responsible for making the money and a woman ultimately responsible to make the home. But there are plenty of couples who have a different arrangement, but their values still hold true.

A woman does NOT need to be illiterate and/or broke to know and exercise her role in a partnership. She just has to be raised to the values.

 

[digimon7068]

superdave. . .the whitemeat, thick-chick, pied-piper. . .you go dave!

she's pretty. . .who cares if she's a little thick?

 

[mrplunkey]

Grats! (no kidding). She's very attractive as well.

Its great when you find one you feel that way about.

Oh, and "she's cheating on you". Sorry, had to be said!

 

[Raptorex]

Dave; I think she has a beautiful face and there isn't any reason you can't teach here that Twinkies are no good for her.

Best of luck.

 

[musclemom]

I think this is another misconception and not accurate at all.

There are plenty of professional women in Latin America. Women go to college and earn their degrees just like the men do. Women participate in government and own their businesses.

This idea that the Latin American women who marry Americans are illiterate farm girls is completely wrong. Most of the women to get to meet, talk to and marry good American men are computer literate college women, most of them speak English.

This thinking that Latin American women only hold on to their values because they are not college educated or have no goals in life is WRONG. There are plenty of women in Latin America who earn more than their husbands. The value system is the same even then. I personally KNOW two women who are the bread winners in their homes in Colombia, they still hold the values they learned since birth...

YES, under the Latin American values a Man is ultimately responsible for making the money and a woman ultimately responsible to make the home. But there are plenty of couples who have a different arrangement, but their values still hold true.

A woman does NOT need to be illiterate and/or broke to know and exercise her role in a partnership. She just has to be raised to the values.

From what I could tell, most of the girls who are involved in "mail order" business ARE NOT the professional types. Those women live in the bigger cities and metropolitan areas and have the same basic opportunities we've got right here. But the majority of Latin Americans living in the less urban areas have a LOT of economic hardships and few opportunities, which is why they want to get the FUCK out of Latin America to begin with, who can blame them? Same as Russia, same as the Philipeans, etc.

Look, if your life is headed toward a dead end, you do whatever you can, however you can, to make improvements. In a lot of countries arranged marriages are still the norm. Mail order brides aren't that much different from arranged marriages. Plenty of couples are very content, everyone's needs are met and the genetic pool gets expanded. It's a win-win: for the men who don't like American women (or don't have the looks or personality to get an american woman), don't like the cultural ethics, just have a thing for darker skinned girls or whatever; for the women, they get into the land of opportunity with a solid green card, their children will be Americans, and it's almost a sure bet that their husband-to-be is well heeled.

If they decide to clean his clock down the road in a divorce 15 years down the road, c'est la vie You can't live anywhere in a vaccum, sooner or later cultural ethics start bleeding in.

God Bless America (Cue theme from "Love American Style")

 

[Sub-Zero]

NO, you're wrong. I would not defend any person who did anything as disgusting as hurting another human.
But as a woman, I've been treated horribly by men for no other reason than they assumed I was "some stupid bitch"
I'm not a feminist, I'm a believer in treating all people equally. But I have to say, the men who treated me bad gave me the stength to prove them wrong. And what I dispise is having to prove to anyone that I'm a smart/ good person.
There are many fucked up men as women, period! No one sex is worse than others.

ill agree to that.

im a woman hater, but a man hater as well