I went over to the Training Board.... and I learned...

[bignate73]

im interested in hearing what people mean when they say "works for me". meaning you feel worked or fatigued, you are growing consistently, you havent plateaued in strength. its all subject to a person's view of "works".

ps....pump isnt indicative of growth, so that is not really an argument supporting high volume.

 

[c3bodybuilding]

AAP is right about DC. More than half the time you read a post with someone claiming to do his workouts, they aren't doing anything close to it. I admit I was guilty of this once. About two years ago, when the cycle for pennies thread first popped up on Animals board, I gave it a go. I didn't gain anything. No size increase, nothing.

After getting strep throat, and then the flu, AND then upper respitory infection all one after another (as soon as I got better from the one, within 2 days I was sick with the other!). I went from a hard 275 down to a frail and tiny 222lbs all within 2 months. I was depressed, but instead decided to use my time away as a chance to read up on all various training methods. I ended up back on Animal's board, reading cycle for pennies again. This time I took notes, I read each page (and there's a lot of pages!) over and over again. When I returned to the gym I went from 222lbs to 252 in 2 weeks. It's been 4 weeks back, and I'm almost back to where I was, with lower bodyfat, and harder than ever.

I guess my point is, that if you want to do something like DC, you have to really make sure you have it all down. You have to also make sure you can handle what you need to do to make it work. If you can't eat all the protein, or handle the pain of the forced reps, the slow negatives, the static holds, and then go to the extreme stretches, etc... if you can't do all of it, then don't bother.

I think what AAP is trying to say is, that people just can't expect to do little to no work, or even lot's of work with a just going through the motions attitude. You have to rip it up while you are in the gym. You have to destroy and own the weights, and your body. It's all about hard work, it doesn't matter if you are doing DC, HST, an Arnold routine, something you came up with, etc, etc.. you have to be willing to go that extra step, or forget it.

 

[Lestat]

I am still using HST training methods..

each workout I do 2-4 sets per body part.. but I do it 3 times a week.. is that unacceptable AAP?

 

[pitbullstl]

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I guess Mike Mentzer and dogcrapp, who both have the opposite training philosophy, don't look like they know what they're talking about either.

Congrats though- you've obviously found what works for you.

Reading for context ??? Clearly not.

I am not referencing the workouts of Mentzer or anyone else.....I'd be willing to bet the non-picture posting, training advice giving, keyboard jockey's on the training board aren't blessed with either his genetics or intensity, and without a doubt they lack his knowledge.

Poll 100 top level bodybuilders, ask them to diagram their workout's for you....I am more than confident the higher volume training method will be the hands down winner...

If you have found it (lower volume) works for you, kickass.......

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

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If you have found it (lower volume) works for you, kickass.......

The foundation of any good workout program is knowing your body.

With experience, you'll tailor a training program that suits your body, not Mentzer's or Dorian's etc.

It takes a few years to really understand your body, but listen to it. Develop your own routine and you'll maximize your gains.

 

[pitbullstl]

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Dilusional? Multiple heads aside, there's really only one way to do a curl. Yeah, yeah, you can change your grip and use bars or dbs, but ultimately, it's just bending your elbow a few times.

I'll bet you a dollar that if you upped your weight and cut your reps/sets on your arm workout, you'd see results.

Yup, that's right......one dollar.

You owe me a dollar....

I tried the whole lower volume higher intensity workout for 9 months.........it didn't work......in fact I lost 19 lbs.......and 3/4" on my arm.......no thanks.......

225 on straight bar curls for forced negatives may look cool......

But no growth for me........

 

[Lift Chief]

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Reading for context ??? Clearly not.

I am not referencing the workouts of Mentzer or anyone else.....I'd be willing to bet the non-picture posting, training advice giving, keyboard jockey's on the training board aren't blessed with either his genetics or intensity, and without a doubt they lack his knowledge.

Poll 100 top level bodybuilders, ask them to diagram their workout's for you....I am more than confident the higher volume training method will be the hands down winner...

If you have found it (lower volume) works for you, kickass.......

How can you read for context? I can understand taking something out of context, but reading for it? And i took nothing you said out of context.

The "keyboard jockeys" on the training board, just as they are not blessed with DC or Mentzer genetics, are also not blessed with the genetics of a top 100 level bodybuilder... so what works for elite bbers is essentially of no importance to the vast majority of average trainers.

Along the same vein... the vast majority of people are not blessed with your or AAP's genetics... you guys have reached levels most people are simply not genetically capable of. Lets keep that in mind when you give your training advice.

 

[pitbullstl]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I went over to the Training Board.... and I learned...

The foundation of any good workout program is knowing your body.

With experience, you'll tailor a training program that suits your body, not Mentzer's or Dorian's etc.

It takes a few years to really understand your body, but listen to it. Develop your own routine and you'll maximize your gains.

Uh......are you referencing me....... or speaking to me.......

272 lbs sub 10% bodyfat year round, 14 years and 9+ shows later........I think I know what works and doesn't work........

Thanks for the inspiration though..........

 

[AAP]

I am still using HST training methods..

each workout I do 2-4 sets per body part.. but I do it 3 times a week.. is that unacceptable AAP?

2-4 sets per bodypart? 3x a week?

Unacceptable? Depends on your training. Not your exercises, not your frequency, but your training. If you go Dorian style (mentzer) and go balls to the walls on those 2-4 sets... then 3x a week may be too much and you overtrain.

Then again, if you do 2-4 sets per bodypart like Flex, Dillett, or a slew of others, even at 3x a week, with minimum intensity, you won't see growth because that is simply not enough to stimulate it.

There are some exercises you simply can not train high intensity on. Preacher curls are one. I don't care how big and strong your biceps are, you are only as strong as your weakest link. That weakest link is (in this case) your elbow. That little hinged joint is buried into a pad, with forced around it, driving it down. Forced reps, negatives, drop sets are simply not a good idea here. So instead, you need multiple sets. Same way with your knees on the hack squat machine.

 

[pitbullstl]

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How can you read for context? I can understand taking something out of context, but reading for it? And i took nothing you said out of context.

The "keyboard jockeys" on the training board, just as they are not blessed with DC or Mentzer genetics, are also not blessed with the genetics of a top 100 level bodybuilder... so what works for elite bbers is essentially of no importance to the vast majority of average trainers.

Along the same vein... the vast majority of people are not blessed with your or AAP's genetics... you guys have reached levels most people are simply not genetically capable of. Lets keep that in mind when you give your training advice.

Long day, 9 hours at the auction...........Content not context....

Either way......I don't give training advice.......don't have the patience for it........

I will argue the higher volume training methods over lower volume methods all day though.........

Please don't confuse hard work and dedication with genetics.....

Albeit they are better than they average bear...... I am still a hardgainer.......hence the higher volume training methods......

Like I have said so many times before......and you yourself plainly put it........do what works for you.......but don't discount one or the other without applying first.