How to become bigger and stronger!!!

[coolcolj]

yeah but this is all logical though isn't it, eat as much as your BMR requires.

me at 192 is never gonna need to eat as much as you

 

[b fold the truth]

yeah but this is all logical though isn't it, eat as much as your BMR requires.

me at 192 is never gonna need to eat as much as you

I agree with you...but if you want to be 240...you need to eat like you are 240. You see my transformation pics at 175?

B True

 

[MarshallPenniford]

B - for you it makes sense. Your a competitive strength athelete that has no need to be lean. hy you get defensive makes no sense to me man. My point is that for a natural bodybuilder, seriously overeating is not worth it. I never said your diet was useless, although for some reason you insuated that I did. In fact, for you, you're not even seriously overeating, you're just fueling your workouts and feeding a rather high AMR, I'm sure.

Also, I didn't say that you were deluding yourself either. I said that I didn't care to delude myself. It means nothing to me to weigh 230lbs, knowing that my lean mass is under 200lbs. Does that make sense? I want to be big, but muscle, not fat.

You just seem to think that the way you eat is appropriate for all bodybuilders, and all I'm saying is that it's not. For a natural bodybuilder, blowing up to such high BF%'s will cause total hell when trying to lean out for a show.

 

[MarshallPenniford]

Additionally, you at 6-7% BF would have the exact same strength as you have now, if you could magically become 6 or 7% without losing any muscle whil dieting down. You seem to think otherwise though, how come?

 

[b fold the truth]

B - for you it makes sense. Your a competitive strength athelete that has no need to be lean. hy you get defensive makes no sense to me man. My point is that for a natural bodybuilder, seriously overeating is not worth it. I never said your diet was useless, although for some reason you insuated that I did. In fact, for you, you're not even seriously overeating, you're just fueling your workouts and feeding a rather high AMR, I'm sure.

Also, I didn't say that you were deluding yourself either. I said that I didn't care to delude myself. It means nothing to me to weigh 230lbs, knowing that my lean mass is under 200lbs. Does that make sense? I want to be big, but muscle, not fat.

You just seem to think that the way you eat is appropriate for all bodybuilders, and all I'm saying is that it's not. For a natural bodybuilder, blowing up to such high BF%'s will cause total hell when trying to lean out for a show.

I will also state again that I have gone from 152-305 naturally. I gained a lot of mass, a lot of muscle mass. I know that I could be dieted in 6 months, most people could not be big in 6 months. You get big from eating like a horse, training like an animal, and sleeping like a baby.

Competitive bodybuilders go into a diet pre-contest phase for a reason...becuase they have been bulking. I am not saying get to 25% BF...not sure where you got that. I do belive that there is nothing wrong with a bodybuilder getting to 15-16% for a long time. If someone is 6'2" and 190 ripped...they are not what I would consider a bodybuilder.

To build a body, it takes years. Everytime that you diet/cut you stop your growth phase. Grow till you are at the point where you are ready to diet. A bodybuilder is a bodybuilder all year round...but ONLY diets for 10-16 weeks out of the year. The rest of the time is a bulking and a building phase. The years leading up to their diet/cutting phase were bulking phases...

I just think that most everyone would be better off if they spent 3 extra years bulking at a fluctuating bf% range from 10-16%. Spending some time each year at 10 and others (most) at 14-16%.

B True

 

[MarshallPenniford]

And I agree with what you just said completely (I prefer a range of 7-13% though, but the problem is that for most people, eating 5-6k calories a day is going to blast them past 15% bodyfat so quickly, their head will spin.

You can only build muscle so quickly, and the rest becomes fat. So while I agree with you, how is one to do it?

Furthermore, if you gain fat too quickly by eating WAY too much, when you diet down you'll be worse off than where you started! You need to have the greater percentage of the gain be muscle, or at least an equal amount.

 

[b fold the truth]

And I agree with what you just said completely (I prefer a range of 7-13% though, but the problem is that for most people, eating 5-6k calories a day is going to blast them past 15% bodyfat so quickly, their head will spin.

You can only build muscle so quickly, and the rest becomes fat. So while I agree with you, how is one to do it?

Furthermore, if you gain fat too quickly by eating WAY too much, when you diet down you'll be worse off than where you started! You need to have the greater percentage of the gain be muscle, or at least an equal amount.

I agree with you.

What do you think about this statement...
Everyone should take a certain time out of the year to gain 3-8% bodyfat.

Does that sum up what we feel? I think that I naturally hold more fat than you...so to gain I must be at a different % than you. We can still grow but just be at different bf%'s.

B True

 

[MarshallPenniford]

Yes, sure. That's a fair statement.

Here's how I am trying to tackle it these days. I think I let my BF% get slightly out of hand (for my standards) so I'm dieting now and when I hit my goal, I'll be back on the calorie pounding wagon again. This time though, I'm going to try to prolong the bulk for an extended period of time, and gain the weight just a little slower. I'll see how that works. I'll be looking to go as far as 6-7% above my goal, which hopefully will bring 10-15lbs of muscle with it. Hopefully.

I don't know though, I don't have the highest natural test levels, and I don't have the greatest genetics, so one of these days I guess the muscle gaining will stop, and at that point, I guess I better stop eating. I don't want to think about that right now though. ;-)

 

[b fold the truth]

My main thought on eating is that I should constantly try to eat a few extra kcals each day. Just a few...and sometime a lot more and sometimes a little less.

B True

 

[coolcolj]

I agree with you...but if you want to be 240...you need to eat like you are 240. You see my transformation pics at 175?

B True

Yeah but I ain't doing that in one week, it will be a gradual increase if I need it - but I find my metabolism has slowed down a lot over the eyars. I can't east as much as before and not get fat. Wait till you get older BFold