Gun rights people, do you really need 30-75 round ammo clips?

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I hate government intervention/regulation, but you'd never think about driving a car without going through drivers ed. first...doesn’t it make sense to require some kind of safety training for gun ownership?

Poink, would you really be comfortable if every person in your city was armed? You don't think it would turn into the OK Corral every Saturday night?

no, because rights do not come from the government, especially the right to defend oneself and their family.

and an armed society is a polite society. every, let me repeat that, *EVERY* state that has allowed citizens to carry concealed weapons has had a reduction in crime.

areas that have the highest crime and murder rate also have some of the strictest regulations in regards to firearms; LA, SF, NYC, DC, etc. in fact, washington dc is the only city to make all handguns illegal to own, and they have the highest murder rate of any city in the US.

 

[Fast Twitch Fiber]

I hate government intervention/regulation, but you'd never think about driving a car without going through drivers ed. first...doesn’t it make sense to require some kind of safety training for gun ownership?

Here in the USA, no competency is required to own a gun. Also, gun sales by private owners are not regulated so this allows convicted criminals to buy all they want.

 

[Fast Twitch Fiber]

actually, the waiting period is not a federal law and it varies by state. the states that have it, have it because it was passed by their state legislature, and it can vary from 3-7 days.

AR-15's are made by more than a 100 manufacturers, not just colt. and AR-15's account for less than 1% of gun related crime.

I thought the 5 day wait for handguns was federal...maybe I'm mistaken. I thought the background check and 5 day wait were all part of the Brady Law.

 

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all people buying any sort of gun have to fill out the BATF's 4473, have a mandatory background check (conducted over the phone with InstaCheck - part of the FBI), and have a valide, government issued ID.

the wait period is up to the state. i have bought several firearms, and never had to wait, and all these transactions were through FFL dealers.

 

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no, because rights do not come from the government, especially the right to defend oneself and their family.

and an armed society is a polite society. every, let me repeat that, *EVERY* state that has allowed citizens to carry concealed weapons has had a reduction in crime.

areas that have the highest crime and murder rate also have some of the strictest regulations in regards to firearms; LA, SF, NYC, DC, etc. in fact, washington dc is the only city to make all handguns illegal to own, and they have the highest murder rate of any city in the US.

Interesting. Good reply.

 

[spongebob]

fuck waiting! they should have drive-thru's at gun stores.

 

[EnderJE]

*EVERY* state that has allowed citizens to carry concealed weapons has had a reduction in crime.

areas that have the highest crime and murder rate also have some of the strictest regulations in regards to firearms; LA, SF, NYC, DC, etc. in fact, washington dc is the only city to make all handguns illegal to own, and they have the highest murder rate of any city in the US.

So the theory is that because everyone has handguns (or can have handguns) crime is down? Hmm. I'm not sure if I completely buy it as I wouldn't necessarily compare it to apples to apples. There are other reasons why crime would increase / decrease. I'm not so sure gun ownership is a driving factor.

It would be interesting if one of the high crime states repeals its gun laws but keeps "everything else" (state investment, T/E programs, demographic, etc) the same. Then, if positive, the argument could be made.

 

[EnderJE]

fuck waiting! they should have drive-thru's at gun stores.

fuck that, they should have a free gun with your fifth drink at the local bar..

 

[-SD-]

In Texas, where I live, I just bought a glock .40 cal handgun in about 5 minutes it took to fill out the mandatory paperwork and do an instant phone background check by the FBI. There was no wait.
Regarding the unregulated private sales of guns convicted criminals: If you are convicted of drunk driving you are still able to go out and buy a car, then go to a liquor store and buy liquor if you so choose.

 

[spongebob]

So the theory is that because everyone has handguns (or can have handguns) crime is down? Hmm. I'm not sure if I completely buy it as I wouldn't necessarily compare it to apples to apples. There are other reasons why crime would increase / decrease. I'm not so sure gun ownership is a driving factor.

It would be interesting if one of the high crime states repeals its gun laws but keeps "everything else" (state investment, T/E programs, demographic, etc) the same. Then, if positive, the argument could be made.

the reason it goes down is because criminals are afraid of getting shot, plain and simple.