going back to natural...who has done it

[ekbenzo]

not all of those are crap.epistane is pretty good.the bold and tren prohormone are not shabby too.id rather be on fadogia,resveratrol and nettle root if you wanna stay natural.

 

[BIGBUCK$]

Funny how i was actually considering going natural for now on earlier

 

[alcatraz1662]

I undersatd, but still, if that crap was legal and FREE, I wouldn't use it. What's the point? Whatever you gain won't last and you'll be supressed afterward. Not worth it IMO.

there are thousands of testimonies out there that say otherwise.....epistane, havoc, mayhem, bold200 (which has a 40% conversion rate to real bold), superdrol, phera plex, M1T,....literally way too many to list. hell, IDS even makes a supp with methyl-stenbolone in it.

granted, there's alot of crap out there that doesn't work and does supress the body more so than AAS and isn't worth it....but there are also alot of supps out there that work great.

besides, the threadstarter sounded like he was looking for a LEGAL alternative which would give him AAS like gains....and i'm just highlighting a few ideas for him.

~Alc

 

[Nelson Montana]

there are thousands of testimonies out there that say otherwise.....epistane, havoc, mayhem, bold200 (which has a 40% conversion rate to real bold), superdrol, phera plex, M1T,....literally way too many to list. hell, IDS even makes a supp with methyl-stenbolone in it.

granted, there's alot of crap out there that doesn't work and does supress the body more so than anabolic androgenic steroids and isn't worth it....but there are also alot of supps out there that work great.

besides, the threadstarter sounded like he was looking for a LEGAL alternative which would give him AAS like gains....and i'm just highlighting a few ideas for him.

~Alc

Understood, I've heard feedback that a few of those were indeed effective but it's the same old story -- the sides outweight the benifits. HAVOC works similarly to Winny, with twice the negatives. Dry joints, shin splints, you need 50 mgs a day, expensive and it kills your libido. They are ALL very liver toxic. Yes, they're legal and yes, they're drugs, but just not good ones. I maintain, you can make great gains with qulity supplements that are safe and healthy. There hasn't been a single person who's used the UNLEASHED/VIGOR/BIG BLAST stack and has been disappointed. And never a problem. And when it's time to juice, juice for real. I just feel that's the best way to go. This prohormone shit is like using homeopathy to cure the clap. Get some real medicine.

 

[halfaclue]

Understood, I've heard feedback that a few of those were indeed effective but it's the same old story -- the sides outweight the benifits. HAVOC works similarly to Winstrol - stanozolol, with twice the negatives. Dry joints, shin splints, you need 50 mgs a day, expensive and it kills your libido. They are ALL very liver toxic. Yes, they're legal and yes, they're drugs, but just not good ones. I maintain, you can make great gains with qulity supplements that are safe and healthy. There hasn't been a single person who's used the UNLEASHED/VIGOR/BIG BLAST stack and has been disappointed. And never a problem. And when it's time to juice, juice for real. I just feel that's the best way to go. This prohormone shit is like using homeopathy to cure the clap. Get some real medicine.

Legal is always good but I'm looking to compete Natty so i don't want to take superdriol if it will f-me on a piss test.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Legal is always good but I'm looking to compete Natty so i don't want to take superdriol if it will f-me on a piss test.

Well, that too -- which is why I recommeneded UNLEASHED, VIGOR, BIG BLAST et al -- all stuff that will give an edge but are drug free.

 

[Zuperman]

as natural as I'll ever be is 250mg week testosterone enanthate and 2 iu gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - - growth hormone (somatropin) - daily

hey Alin I went to moldova and saw Balakn I got some pictures for u, They will put you out of business

 

[airsmith2k]

hey Alin I went to moldova and saw Balakn I got some pictures for u, They will put you out of business

POST THEM UP

 

[Zuperman]

I'm will I'm waiting for the OK, from the higher ups

 

[2raptors]

Well, that too -- which is why I recommeneded UNLEASHED, VIGOR, BIG BLAST et al -- all stuff that will give an edge but are drug free.

Interesting post ! Should get an award. I have to say, I've just started week 4 of my cycle....and i AM seeing a difference in strength and endurance in the gym...lifting more weight for more reps...but I'm also starting to gain a bit of weight (looking a bit fatter..though probably just water) ....albiet I'm trying to EAT. So I'm not worried about that. Even though I'm on a "mild" and "short" cycle...I have noticed the libido going away too...not that it wasn't in the toilet previously.....

I'm CERTAIN i'll qualify for HRT, so I'm going to do that only once I finish post cycle.

I've already purchased my "post cycle" and systain, and will be doing my next cycle with BigBlast/Vigor/Unleashed and Dermacrine next time around....

I just think that because I already work hard....I expected more....and for me...it was the experience more than anything. i'm going to finish it out....(2 1/2 more weeks) do my post cycle....then go back to natty.

I WILL be doing a "cutting" natural cycle...(carb cycling, lower calories, more HIIT cardio, and PF / PP supps).

OH and NELSON...did you look at the wife's contest pics? She used ZIPP to help her through her fat loss...she got 4th....and thinks she's almost got the diet thing wired....