going back to natural...who has done it

[Nelson Montana]

Interesting post ! Should get an award. I have to say, I've just started week 4 of my cycle....and i AM seeing a difference in strength and endurance in the gym...lifting more weight for more reps...but I'm also starting to gain a bit of weight (looking a bit fatter..though probably just water) ....albiet I'm trying to EAT. So I'm not worried about that. Even though I'm on a "mild" and "short" cycle...I have noticed the libido going away too...not that it wasn't in the toilet previously.....

I'm CERTAIN i'll qualify for HRT, so I'm going to do that only once I finish post cycle.

I've already purchased my "post cycle" and systain, and will be doing my next cycle with BigBlast/Vigor/Unleashed and Dermacrine next time around....

I just think that because I already work hard....I expected more....and for me...it was the experience more than anything. i'm going to finish it out....(2 1/2 more weeks) do my post cycle....then go back to natty.

I WILL be doing a "cutting" natural cycle...(carb cycling, lower calories, more HIIT cardio, and PF / PP supps).

OH and NELSON...did you look at the wife's contest pics? She used ZIPP to help her through her fat loss...she got 4th....and thinks she's almost got the diet thing wired....

Your wife looks killer bro. Glad the ZIP helped.

 

[bsdgeek]

Understood, I've heard feedback that a few of those were indeed effective but it's the same old story -- the sides outweight the benifits. HAVOC works similarly to Winstrol - stanozolol, with twice the negatives. Dry joints, shin splints, you need 50 mgs a day, expensive and it kills your libido. They are ALL very liver toxic. Yes, they're legal and yes, they're drugs, but just not good ones. I maintain, you can make great gains with qulity supplements that are safe and healthy. There hasn't been a single person who's used the UNLEASHED/VIGOR/BIG BLAST stack and has been disappointed. And never a problem. And when it's time to juice, juice for real. I just feel that's the best way to go. This prohormone shit is like using homeopathy to cure the clap. Get some real medicine.

My training partner has tried all the pro-hormones, some made him sick and he recently tried HAVOC(what a joke), which also made him sick. Then I got him some test and eq and winny, now he's fuckin rockin and rollin. I'm sorry, I just don't buy into the pro-hormone scene. If it's not A.AS, it's not real gear. And if you're going natty, go natty. Have a protein shake and a good multi and call it quits, otherwise, get some pinz and get the real shit. Just my 2 bro.

 

[hyp1]

All this UGL stuff has brought me to the decision to stay off gear. I'm interested in hearing from people who went off for a long time and what advice they have for me. Also how long do you have to weight to compete as a natural because I'm not ready to give up that just yet.

LOL I've READ ABOUT PEOPLE DOING IT,BUT fuck it,I'm just not ready yet........

 

[shoestring2]

Good to ba all natural.

 

[2raptors]

I think that once you decide to cross the line from Natty to AS user....you "should" already "be there"...know what I mean? you've got good muscle...low BF, and you are not ready to be the beast you can be..... if you're a fat pig, can't squat a bag of peanuts (much less your own body weight)....you should NEVER consider it. It will make a strong man stronger....but a weak person....who doesn't eat right...I seem to be reading too much on here, especially with posts from young'uns, who think they are gonna juice and grow....when they haven't even given their natural gift of free test a chance to show them what it can do. And older dudes who are just fat and don't eat right who think it's going to cut them up.

I'm eating great....I'm getting better, even looking "blockier" (I guess that is supposed to mean more muscular)...but I don't really think I am genetically qualified to be a future prospect of any kind....so I'm done.

But I'll stay on this board...learned a LOT of good stuff here.

What else...oh yeah...there were other posts about pro-hormones....i used "Legal Gears" stuff for an entire cycle...NOTHING. didn't make me sick...but what a waste of money.... it was supposed to be "the best".... there is just NO comparison to real AS.

 

[Zuperman]

Bro, I personally think If you clean up your diet and Learn how to train right, and eat, rest and train hard and smart and effecient. You will be a monster, but Untill you are that monster and you've reached your genetic limit there is no need for gear unless your going for pro or your selling it.


Listen to me cause I dont post unless I say something Usefull!

 

[Zuperman]

bump

 

[OldWiseMan]

Well, that too -- which is why I recommeneded UNLEASHED, VIGOR, BIG BLAST et al -- all stuff that will give an edge but are drug free.

What is in them?

 

[ekbenzo]

unleashed has avena sativa and a couple more libido herbs,vigor has bvitamins/minerals plus arginine and caffeine(guarana) and sum weird herb used in costa rica or something that may help in rbc production and big blast is creatine with sugar and protein.

 

[the_alcatraz]

I agree with Zuperman...you don't need steroids...but there's nothing wrong with taking them and becoming freakishly HUGE