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EQ makes no sense to me

ryno9000

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Please help me understand Equipoise. From what I understand, it takes a long time to kick in..9 weeks or so according to many many posts on here. First I don't understand how you can be putting something in your body for this many weeks on end (thats more than 2 months!) and not see anything worthwhile. Do the levels need to build THAT high, and if so, why can't you just front load it? Secondly, is it just nothing..nothing...(9 weeks in) BAM! Gains. That also doesn't make any sense to me. Third, everyone says that you must run it with test, so A) running test for 14-18 weeks will have you shut down pretty damn hard B) won't the test be making most of those gains that you are seeing the whole time? Does the EQ add that much more beyond the test in those later weeks? To me EQ doesn't make a lot of sense, and seems like the biggest waste of money and cycle committment. Not to mention I've heard lots of complaints about acne from it. However TONS of you guys seem to just love the shit, so please help me understand how I am misinformed or what I am missing on this.
 
i loved equipose but i couldn;t handle the anxiety because im prone to it.. on test only cycles i bloat up and look blocky... when i ran equipose i stayed fairly lean throughtout the cycle.. by week five i was seeing veins where i never did before.. it made me skin appear thinner.. i wish it didn;t give me anxiety.. you gain quality muscle from it not just water..
 
eq will kick in way before 9 weeks, most ppl notice it around week 5 or 6. As far as the test goes, well test should be used in virtually all cycles anyway. Eq imo is one of the top BB drugs ever. You'll see what I mean after I use it.
What does your cycle look like dose wise?
 
jumpmaster82 said:
Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - will kick in way before 9 weeks, most ppl notice it around week 5 or 6. As far as the test goes, well test should be used in virtually all cycles anyway. Eq imo is one of the top BB drugs ever. You'll see what I mean after I use it.
What does your cycle look like dose wise?

I'm not taking EQ right now, I am curious to find out some more about it because everyone seems to love it but it doesn't sound all that great to me, as you read above. On Sunday I will be starting a six week Test Prop and Winstrol cycle. Can't wait to get that goin! I preloaded my vials/needles tonight, damn near started it early just playing with it all haha.
 
ryno9000 said:
I'm not taking Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - right now, I am curious to find out some more about it because everyone seems to love it but it doesn't sound all that great to me, as you read above. On Sunday I will be starting a six week Test testosterone propionate and Winstrol cycle. Can't wait to get that goin! I preloaded my vials/needles tonight, damn near started it early just playing with it all haha.

Same here, i see that alotta bro's here on EF, love Tren & EQ, ive research tren and seen and read peoples thoughts and results from Tren, they sound awesome and results are wicked....but still uncertain about EQ and whats so special about it?
 
Well it can make you pretty hungry. For people that need that its a good add. Also it helps with endurance to. which is often over looked. Thats why people take it with tren.
 
E.Q. "kicks in" around wk 4 or 5. you can run it with or without t.est. it is a fantastic drug that will lean or bulk you up relative to diet. it has very few if any sides and if you run reasonable dose ( 400-600 wk ) you will become a fan! estrogenic sides are almost unheard of and idiosyncratic. strength and vascularity through the roof.

lets say you wanna run 750-1000 t.est. for 12 wks. you would probably run into a few sides. i don't care what anybody says thats a lot of t.est. well you could run 375- 500 t.est with 400-600 E.Q. and you would get much better results with fewer sides. like most a.a.s, E.Q. is an effective and relatively safe drug in the right hands. next to t.ren it is my personal fave.
 
needtogetaas said:
Well it can make you pretty hungry. For people that need that its a good add. Also it helps with endurance to. which is often over looked. Thats why people take it with trenbolone.
true.
:)
 
ryno9000 said:
Please help me understand Equipoise. From what I understand, it takes a long time to kick in..9 weeks or so according to many many posts on here. First I don't understand how you can be putting something in your body for this many weeks on end (thats more than 2 months!) and not see anything worthwhile. Do the levels need to build THAT high, and if so, why can't you just front load it? Secondly, is it just nothing..nothing...(9 weeks in) BAM! Gains. ... To me Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - doesn't make a lot of sense, and seems like the biggest waste of money and cycle committment. Not to mention I've heard lots of complaints about acne from it. However TONS of you guys seem to just love the shit, so please help me understand how I am misinformed or what I am missing on this.

You're missing a lot here bro and you are totally misinformed. I have been off cycle for almost 8-9 months now due to surgery. I wanted to lose a bunch of weight so I haven't done anything since then except for cardio. Believe me, I lost A LOT of muscle so starting a new cycle was a big thing for me.

I have always been a fan of E.q. .. it's a great, wonderful steroid. It's not totally true that it kicks in during week 9. In fact, it's much, MUCH sooner than that. I used to be of the thought that it starts kicking in around week 5-6, which for me, it used to feel like that - since I did other types of steroids, etc and have been on different cycles. My first cycle was 400 mgs of Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - a week for 12 weeks and Winstrol - stanozolol 50 mgs orally ed for weeks 6-12. That first cycle it felt like it really kicked in was around week 5 and I started to explode in week 7 (guessing Winstrol - stanozolol the cause for it). So lets fast forward many steroid cycles later..

There was a discussion here on EF, amongst many Eq threads, where a guy was claiming it started kicking in after the first week. Of course, all of us said, "no no no noooway dude, week 5-6 is when it starts.." And he said simply, "When you inject something foreign into your body, it starts working right away, even though you might not see it, it's changing your body.." (paraphrased).

If you really think about, obviously week 9 doesn't come from nothing and yes, after taking almost 8-9 months off and losing all of my muscle, I seriously noticed my muscle starting to get "hard" and tighter around week 3-4. It's a gradual slow process that builds nice, fine, hard muscles. E.q. builds your muscles in such a slow progressive way without water bloat, it pays off in the end. Around week 6-7 your veins really start exploding. and now that i am in week 9, my arms feel like they're pumped constantly and I have veins everywhere.

Generally, an equipoise user runs his cycle for atleast 12 weeks minimum. It stays active, really! active for 3 weeks after and then you start to feel the decrease over the next several weeks during your PCT - post cycle therapy - . It's not uncommon to run Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - 15 weeks - 20 weeks. In fact, the longer you run it, the better.

This is the first time I have ran Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - alone, and by itself, and on top of it, I'm only running 300mgs a week and I've put on all the right weight with minimal bloat and i'm starting to look extremely hard, and it feels fKn! great! Usually, most will run Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - at 500mgs, but I have never noticed personally a difference between 400-600mgs.

I have heard of people frontloading 1000mgs a week for 2 weeks of Eq. for great results, but personally, I prefer the wait. e.q. teaches you to work hard for results instead of an easy pump you'd get from Dianabol - methandrostenolone - only to lose it later. every Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - cycle I have ran, I looked great for months following, whereas other steroids like test, etc fall off of me rather quickly.

Eq is a steroid you'll will eventually respect and love it, or you'll hate it. It all depends on how hard you want it and how hard you want to look.

Eq + OT = hard - so hard your muscles hurt!
Eq + Winstrol - stanozolol = hard. ^same
Eq + OT + masteron = really, REALLY hard. ^ even harder if it's possible!
Eq + test 500mgs a week = hard, but a tad soft but hard..
Eq + Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - = not a good choice in my opinion (Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - + test better)
Eq + Dianabol - methandrostenolone - - waste of time.

You never want to put bloaters in with your Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - .. I'd bet Eq + Anavar - oxandrolone - would be crazy silly hardness..but I've never done Anavar - oxandrolone - due to $$.

Just my thoughts...take from it what you want..but I love E.q..and it loves me! :)

Ps. yes, e.q. gives you crazy ass cardio on top of it all. E.q. increases your red blood cells so more oxygen gets to your system faster and more efficiently and it dialates your vessels also - which helps..it's actually pretty insane for cardio if you are a runner, boxer, fighter, etc.. and you don't lose muscle also..
 
The ONLY reason I won't ever touch E.Q again is because of the anxiety it gave me. I started feeling the added hunger and endurance around week 4-5, then saw myself getting leaner and more vascular around week 7. It also increased my appetite, not as much as other note, but just enough to notice. I was on 600mg EW.

Yes, you can front load it. There's a post by Shadow which explains it, check out my C.yp, E.Q and v.ar thread in the "my anabolic journal" forum.

If it didn't make me feel like absolute shit, I'd probably consider using E.Q again. But as far as I can tell, I'll be in love with preemo from here on out :)
 
My last run was 400mgs Eq, 400mgs Test C, 50mgs of Tbol ED and it was one of the best I have ever had.
Anxiety was noticed and next time I will go for 300mgs EW and see how it goes...
I liked Eq very much, Good lean gains....

My 2cents
 
Im on week 7 of test e and eq, and i havent seen any better gains so far then when I was on test E only.

Ill c f it realy " kicks in " soon
 
My last run was 600mg/test E + 400mg EQ/wk for 16 weeks. It's a long cycle, but the sides are minimal, you'll be able to do cardio forever, and the muscle gains are steady.

The downside is the anxiety. I'm a laid back person, but I was awake every night from 3-5am on the stuff. The wheels in my head wouldn't stop spinning. It's sort of like drinking 2 gallons of coffee 20 minutes before bed.

But, it's worth it, imo. I'd run it again in a heartbeat.


edit: It's definitely not a huge mass building cycle. My workouts center around moderately heavy lifting while doing 100 pushups / pullups spaced in between sets, then hitting the treadmill / jump rope / heavy bag. For my style of training, it's good stuff.
 
needtogetaas said:
Well it can make you pretty hungry. For people that need that its a good add. Also it helps with endurance to. which is often over looked. Thats why people take it with tren.

agreed EQ makes me eat like a fuckin horse, I mean you can have a constant hunger 24-7 while on EQ. And endurace goes up nicely!
 
swole said:
The ONLY reason I won't ever touch E.Q again is because of the anxiety it gave me. I started feeling the added hunger and endurance around week 4-5, then saw myself getting leaner and more vascular around week 7. It also increased my appetite, not as much as other note, but just enough to notice. I was on 600mg EW.

Yes, you can front load it. There's a post by Shadow which explains it, check out my C.yp, E.Q and v.ar thread in the "my anabolic journal" forum.

If it didn't make me feel like absolute shit, I'd probably consider using E.Q again. But as far as I can tell, I'll be in love with preemo from here on out :)

loved the shit but it shot my bp through the roof and the nightly heart plapations were no good.
 
ran it before at 400mg/wk started seeing a big difference aroung week 4-5. i just started running at 600mg/wk with test at 450/wk. i saw definition i never saw before with e.q. and vascularity was awesome. it didnt give me anxiety at all, just varies between people as everything else does. i love it less bloat and water retention for me between that and deka.
 
EQ is fucking good stuff. It makes me hard,vascular and really helps with my appetite alot also. For me I notice increased vascularity and hunger almost right away 3-4 weeks and relatively no sides. To each his own but I think it really gets a bad rap for whatever reason. Good stuff but really only one way to find out if it works for you.. Try it..
 
needtogetaas said:
Well it can make you pretty hungry. For people that need that its a good add. Also it helps with endurance to. which is often over looked. Thats why people take it with tren.
thats one of my top reasons for loving eq. Along with the vascularity part. I think it also boosts your RBC count some helping with endurance like you said. All I know is during most eq cycles it looks like someone threw spagetti on my forearms.
 
As quoted from "Sparetire"

This is the first time I have ran Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - alone, and by itself, and on top of it, I'm only running 300mgs a week and I've put on all the right weight with minimal bloat and i'm starting to look extremely hard, and it feels fKn! great! Usually, most will run Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - at 500mgs, but I have never noticed personally a difference between 400-600mgs.


I totally agree with him above about his EQ dosing, although a lot of others disagree with me. He's running 300mg's a week with fabulous results and I'm only running 200mg's a week with FABULOUS results. I'm gonna stay on it untill my 50cc bottle runs dry, which will put me on it for a solid year untill I have to buy more, then I will continue on, not taking any break. I've got nothing to loose. I'm 39yrs old, don't want another kid and 200mg's a week doesn't shut me down at all. The benefits outweigh the risks for me. I'm running 100mg's/wk of test enan with it. I see no need to take more than 300 mg's a week, but others will totally disagree.
 
jumpmaster82 said:
eq will kick in way before 9 weeks, most ppl notice it around week 5 or 6. As far as the test goes, well test should be used in virtually all cycles anyway. Eq imo is one of the top BB drugs ever. You'll see what I mean after I use it.
What does your cycle look like dose wise?


I personally can tell the EQ difference in 3 weeks,,,appettie increase,,,strength,,,vascularity
 
Thanks to everyone who has posted on this. Turned in to a REALLY good thread, and have heard various sides to this. I'll keep looking into it, but all be damned I may be convinced now!
 
sixxtoes said:
thinking about putting it in my next cycle. good info thx!
your avatar makes me wanna rape that bitch....I liked EQ more than deca personally....yes gram for gram deca is more anabolic and what not and the gains were slow with E.Q but made me very lean and like the other dude said forarms looked like spaghetti with the vascularity..I had anxiety on 600mg but like a retard I was banging 600 in one shot, once i split it up I was fine.... I feel I didnt need all 600 my diet wasnt all that its gonna be next cycle...so this time I Will run 400 e.q for 14 weeks and instead of running 250 of test.e ill run 400 of cy.p...see how that goes...looking for same result up the lean mass and get shredded like a motherfucker :P
 
What i dont understand is that 50% of E Q is aromatized to test...no? So why would somebody need to run a small dose of test along with E Q...lets say when your pinning 600mgs/wk...thats 300mg of test/wk. Am i correct?
 
Hm....

I ran EQ at 600mg/wk for 10wks and got NOTHING. It was ProLine gear (back in the day) and I had success with all their other products. It could have POSSIBLY been fake (doubt it), but I'll never really know.

Needless to say...I was a hater after that. But I've gotta admit, I'm excited to see all this reenforcement! I'm considering throwing it in with my current cycle...

I'm a bit worried about the anxiety though.

Ive had very, very rare anxiety attacks (like 3 total) and theres not much I hate more than that feeling......
 
khemix said:
Hm....

I ran EQ at 600mg/wk for 10wks and got NOTHING. It was ProLine gear (back in the day) and I had success with all their other products. It could have POSSIBLY been fake (doubt it), but I'll never really know.

Needless to say...I was a hater after that. But I've gotta admit, I'm excited to see all this reenforcement! I'm considering throwing it in with my current cycle...

I'm a bit worried about the anxiety though.

Ive had very, very rare anxiety attacks (like 3 total) and theres not much I hate more than that feeling......
if i had to guess, you got a bad product. give it another shot. if you are concerned about anxiety, run it at 400 ew. if it causes anxiety, it is usually in the first few weeks and subsides as you go along.
 
layinback said:
if i had to guess, you got a bad product. give it another shot. if you are concerned about anxiety, run it at 400 ew. if it causes anxiety, it is usually in the first few weeks and subsides as you go along.

Nice response bro, many thanks :). In that case I'll likely run it for 12-14wks, starting with 400mg/wk. If no anxiety, perhaps up to 600mg. Im just starting to fear the hunger! I get so hungry and test/tren now that i can barely afford it!

Thanks again!

Chris
 
vascularity on eq is crazy. I know from blood test as well that your red blood cell count is through the roof. I had bloodwork done at about week 15 per doctors request after a check up. Some people are going as far as to use EPO alot now. I notice it on alot of source lists. Which that stuff is very potent and does alot of the same things from what i understand.
 
safety4lyfe said:
What i dont understand is that 50% of E Q is aromatized to test...no? So why would somebody need to run a small dose of test along with E Q...lets say when your pinning 600mgs/wk...thats 300mg of test/wk. Am i correct?
I don't believe anything can aromatize to test.
Doesn't the aromatize enzyme control the conversion of test to estrogen?
Sounds like a question for Tat.
 
Powerbuilder333 said:
I don't believe anything can aromatize to test.
Doesn't the aromatize enzyme control the conversion of test to estrogen?
Sounds like a question for Tat.

Yea, where is thy chemical godess?
 
EQ anxiety destroyed me at about 17 weeks.

I loved my results, but they came with a price.
 
khemix said:
Hm....

I ran EQ at 600mg/wk for 10wks and got NOTHING. It was ProLine gear (back in the day) and I had success with all their other products. It could have POSSIBLY been fake (doubt it), but I'll never really know.

Needless to say...I was a hater after that. But I've gotta admit, I'm excited to see all this reenforcement! I'm considering throwing it in with my current cycle...

I'm a bit worried about the anxiety though.

Ive had very, very rare anxiety attacks (like 3 total) and theres not much I hate more than that feeling......

gave me the worst anxiety ever, bro!! ..I used to love it for all the reasons already mentioned and I loved it long time (remember ganabol dosed @ 50mg/cc?? ..lol)
I've tested & retested the theory as I really didn't want to believe that it was my EQ ..but it sure was
personally I'd make sure I had some little blue pillz on hand
 
layinback said:
E.Q. "kicks in" around wk 4 or 5. you can run it with or without t.est. it is a fantastic drug that will lean or bulk you up relative to diet. it has very few if any sides and if you run reasonable dose ( 400-600 wk ) you will become a fan! estrogenic sides are almost unheard of and idiosyncratic. strength and vascularity through the roof.

lets say you wanna run 750-1000 t.est. for 12 wks. you would probably run into a few sides. i don't care what anybody says thats a lot of t.est. well you could run 375- 500 t.est with 400-600 E.Q. and you would get much better results with fewer sides. like most a.a.s, E.Q. is an effective and relatively safe drug in the right hands. next to t.ren it is my personal fave.
About what I was going to say!
 
khemix said:
Yea, where is thy chemical godess?

You said you ran it for 10 weeks and got nothing, but I'm guessing that it was probably bunk. You would definitely notice something man..like veins from hell everywhere and super hardness. I know lots of bros don't like it cuz of the anxiety or the slow on take, but seriously, you would have noticed something. Eq is freaky sh#t when it really kicks in. I'm getting ready for my 10th week and my arms are already veiny..my bi's are super hard and they almost hurt from being so pumped feeling. If I just squeeze my hands together doing isolation curls, my bi's start to explode and my forearms rock the f out..it's nutz. I have some bloat now around my midsection, but it'll go away.. you seriously should try it again with a cutter. I always suggest not doing it with test or dbol first go around. Do it with winny or ot or var.

Start your cycle off with winny/ot/var/tren so you see the immediate results of your orals (or tren inect) and after you stop that 6 weeks in, eq will start to rock around 7 and run that out for 12-14 weeks at 400-500 mgs. 400 is a plenty dosage per week, btw.

The only major side effect that I hate with eq is Acne. For whatever reason, it causes me to break out horribly with acne, so I'm also using 40 mgs accutane e3ds to stay clear.

I ran accutane 80mgs a day for 10 days, then 40 e0d for 5 days, and now 40mgs every 3 days..seems to work perfectly...
 
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