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Epi-Strong Log

Ganryu

Ganryu

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I received my Epi-Strong today and I will be starting my cycle on it tomorrow. I wanted to keep a log to try and keep track of how I am feeling and my results. Also, I hope this will be of use to others.

Background:
34 years old, a lot of conditioning work (Muay Thai, non-competitive)
6'2", 195 this morning
First cycle

Along with the normal supps (fish oil, multi, etc), this is what my cycle looks like:

Epi-Strong - 1 cap 3 times/day (45mg total)
Forged Liver - 1 cap twice/day.
PCT - Forged 2 caps/day AM.

Any thoughts/critiques welcome. All I know is I am happy Costco has cheap chicken breasts! :evil:
 
OK, only four days, but I was at 203 this morning. Weight is not my primary concern though. More interested in strength/recovery increase. I am taking in about 300g protein/day right now. If I see a pheasant on the road, I run it over and eat it! Zero grains, all carbs from raw veggies. About 1 1/2 - 2 gallons water per day.

I feel much stronger, lifts seem easier (could be placebo). But, my recovery is MUCH faster. That is not placebo because this is the only major change in my routine (except for extra protein). I especially noticed it after Muay Thai class on Wednesday night. I am usually pretty sore after I give 110% (it sucks getting old!), but I felt great Thursday morning, especially in my legs. So far, so good. Just wanted to give you guys an update. I will keep you in the loop!

Thanks Needto!
 
Shit, just read my OP, should have been 199 not 195. Sorry about that. So no, not 8 lbs in 4 days! But, it has been 1 lb/day thus far.
 
Nice dude! Yeah Muay Tai is no joke on the body! Congrats on the log, I got one too. You should check it out and chime in. I could use some good bros' knowledge! Good luck with everything!
 
Awesome bro. Epi is my favorite of the designers. In my experence Epi doesn't really "kick in" until the third week. If it's possible I would extend that cycle to five weeks or six :evil: Either way you are in for a bad ass ride.
 
SouthernLord said:
Awesome bro. Epi is my favorite of the designers. In my experence Epi doesn't really "kick in" until the third week. If it's possible I would extend that cycle to five weeks or six :evil: Either way you are in for a bad ass ride.
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I haven't tried any of them yet but why is Epi your favorite? Just curious? I ordered 20 bottles but not one was Epi, but was of the other 4 :p
 
Epi just makes me feel really "Alpha" would be the best way to describe it. The sides are minimal and the gains are lean.
 
I got 5 Epi' now. Its really a versatile DS. You can cut, recomp, bulk with some nice lbm gains also. Not too harsh either.
 
Looking forward to trying Epi-strong!

Got 5 bottles chilling in the fridge behind the K.drol, Beast, 1 - T, 1- T Tren and the 10 bottles of Diesel - problem is I got NO FOOD, Needto has all my money! Good news is I have plenty of space for the Helladrol & Gear coming soon!!

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The way I look at it - Needto's stuff works great!! right now it is all LEGAL. It is high quality, free fast shipping!! No W.U. , no encrypted e-mail, no worrying about USPS, FDA, Customs etc. I figure in a couple of years I can stack it all with HRT and be 100% legally jacked!!

I also believe that Needto & Eric at PP will keep being creative and come up with formulas that work and are legal (at least for a shot while) -everyone thought that it was over with no 4-AD, Andro, Mag-10 etc. - Needto's current line blows all that away!!!! I will just keep stocking up until it's all gone or they have to pull it - by then I may need a second fridge (that would be cool!)

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Sorry for the lack of updates! Work has been a killer AND I blew out my back Monday night. I have a bulged disc and re-aggravated the injury.

So, 209 this morning. Muscles are more full, BF% may be down a little, but I did not measure it before I started the cycle. Definitely feel much stronger and more aggressive during MT training. Punches and kicks have a lot more snap. Recovery is still through the roof, which is what matters most to me. Last week I was able to train all out for 3 days in a row, which I haven't been able to do in years.

I have had some minor teste aches, but other than that no noticeable sides. And even the aches I am not 100% sure are from the Epi, although I have never had them before. Not painful really, just more of a dull ache. No trouble with erections or anything else. Appetite is good most of the time, although I am getting a little sick of the chicken!

After reading some responses in this thread I am considering lengthening the cycle to 5 weeks. We will see how my back holds up. If I am not going to be able to train, I may just shut this cycle down right now so I can go full force when I am healed up. I did purchase 4 more bottles for future use, LOL.

Hope the info is useful!
 
damn bro, sorry to hear about the back. i deal with the same thing and i know how frustrating it can be when you have to take time off training because of it.
 
cryptosporidium said:
damn bro, sorry to hear about the back. i deal with the same thing and i know how frustrating it can be when you have to take time off training because of it.
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Amen! Been down many times for the same thing. I get more careful with age but it's still easy to aggravate!

Good luck.
 
I am going to finish the cycle as it stands right now and not add to it (4 weeks total). The back is better, thanks for asking. I went to the chiro a few times and I am able to resume some physical activity. I just can't go as hard as I want to. I am going to get an MRI tonight though. I have been dealing with this bulging disc for about 8 years and I am going to see what can be done about it!

So, 210 this morning. I am getting a little acne near my hairline. Just FYI, I had a lot of problems with cystic acne during adolescence. Still feel good! My lips are super chapped, which I assume is due to me slacking a little on water intake. Will update tomorrow after my workout!

BTW, if there are questions that I am not answering that would be helpful to you guys, please feel free to ask and I will answer honestly as best as I can.
 
Yeah, I agree. It can prolly net 10-15 as a solo on a clean bulk. Havoc can add 10. But this has higher serving and potency, so im not surprised.
 
Awesome results... hoping to get the same, just ordered my first bottle of Epi....

I'm curious if anyone with gyno has tried Epi, as I've read this stuff helps reduce gyno as well.

I've tried Beastdrol before... the stuff KICKS ASS in strength, mass, and vascularity....and I'm a skeptic... it was a bit much for me with the sides though... but I would definitely recommend it to anyone!
 
Well, it has an AI in it, I believe it was developed in Japan to help people with Breast cancer. But, I would recommend u kill the gyno before using it. If you have gyno already than it can potentially get aggravated from any hormonal imbalance.
 
The main reason that I chose Epi was a fear of gyno. I have fairly sensitive nips and my little brother had gyno growing up. That was the main reason I veered away from tren products. I haven't had sensitive nips at all on the Epi for what it's worth.

Also if diet is dialed in, 15 lbs should be no problem. I wouldn't be surprised if I hit 15 on this run and my cardio schedule is nuts! But my diet is very disciplined and on point 90% of the time.
 
Ganryu said:
The main reason that I chose Epi was a fear of gyno. I have fairly sensitive nips and my little brother had gyno growing up. That was the main reason I veered away from tren products. I haven't had sensitive nips at all on the Epi for what it's worth.

Also if diet is dialed in, 15 lbs should be no problem. I wouldn't be surprised if I hit 15 on this run and my cardio schedule is nuts! But my diet is very disciplined and on point 90% of the time.
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I'm with you bro...exactly why I wanna try it... read on other boards that not only did the epi *not* aggrevate their gyno, it caused a REDUCTION... that's sweet...I love tren, but it's killer on gyno.... and my diet is always dialed in, so I'm psyched that the potential to gain that much is there.... sweeeet!
 
I never expect miracles... keeps me working hard at all times!
 
I did two cycles of havoc. Second cycle produced the Lump under my left nipple. Im on the shredder stack now which is kind of to a small degree bringing it back. a little sensitive..
 
Just have serm on hand just in case anything is possible. If u r really prone ask need2 if u can run a serm while on cycle.
 
Interesting... So you are saying that an AI on cycle with an epi which has an AI in it is the way to go instead of a serm? So if I had nolv and letro, u would say letro(The AI) at what dose on cycle if its just epistrong?
 
Well, sadly this run has come to an end. Weight this morning = 211. So, 12 lbs total. No bloat and I am sure that my bf% decreased just based on looks. I have to be honest, I kind of dropped my caloric intake at the end of the run because I was nit able to work as hard as I wanted to due to my back (which is a whole other subject). I think my next run will be even more "epic." I am pretty depressed right now over the spine issues.

All in all, I am very happy with the results.

Pros:

Price
Strength and recovery through the roof
Very much focused, even at work
Minimal sides
"Alpha" feeling (was posted earlier in the thread, but is totally true)
Aggression increase, but not "too much" (At 34, I can't just tell my boss what I think of him, so it was a good balance)
Sex drive minimally diminished (no problems with "wood" but I thought about sex less)
Appetite was great

Sides: (although minimal, worth mentioning)

Acne increased (minimally)
Balls ached off and on a bit, again I can't fully place this on the Epi, but has never happened to me before

I am glad that I purchased some more for the future. I hope this log helped, I will try to remember to bump this after PCT to see where I am at weight wise. I probably have different goals than some of you fitness wise, but I would recommend this to anyone that is even slightly interested in trying it.
 
makatk007 said:
Interesting... So you are saying that an AI on cycle with an epi which has an AI in it is the way to go instead of a serm? So if I had nolv and letro, u would say letro(The AI) at what dose on cycle if its just epistrong?
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I would not go with something as strong as letro... Arimadex would be more like it... I do not see epi-strong raising estrogen at all though. Adding in a nolva would just make rebound more of a problem. Keep the ai for after.
 
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