Dont touch dnp

[ecy monster]

hi guys recently i ran a dnp forum n created alot of contraversy and anger about my dnp cycle
well i took people advice n have discontinued it and have also gone to my local gp, cancer treatment centre which i will not name, had a blood test etc, i think ive gone through neally 10 tests so far
i thought it only be fair to tell everyone about the consequences of my dnp use that lasted neally 7 days

I HOPE THIS DETERS ANYONE WHO EVER CONSIDERS USING DNP AS I DID NOT TO TOUCH THE STUFF

N WEN I SAY 'HOPE' I MEAN WILL THROW UR IDEA SO FAR AWAY THAT UD RATHER SCREW SADAM IN THE ARSE THEN TOUCH THE STUFF

this is wat my consequences of a 6 day DNP RUN WAS
my thyroid levels have crashed and doc estimates a minimum of 3 weeks before they are functioning half as properly
my testerome levels have plumeted due to dnps effects on fat metabalsion and hormone production, which is believed will recover overtime, est a month or 2 minimum
i have accelerated my bodys cooling system (sweat) meaning if ur one of those guys who sweats alot, well aparently im now twice as bad permanently
as i reported i was also incurring nose bleed while on dnp, well reason for that is apparently wen the bodys heat rises n blood temp rises, since all ur blood rushes towards ur head ur body bleeds from the nose, i should also meantion that unfortunatly its believed i have the early stages of cancerous tumor in my nose, which they believe is directly caused by my dnp use and if not treated early will cause severe problems which i dont want to talk about but im sure anyone knows wat happens if u dont treat cancer, i dont need to tell u

in my blood chek i have some up wif an obscenaly high level count of white blood cells and low levels of red blood cells, if anyone wants to know wat that can cause simply type in 'to many white blood cells' in google, ders a list, one in particular
der were other probelms in my blood test BUT the above one my doctor was literally yelling at me

i am having an eye chekup 2morow as i heard dnp can give u cataracts

my body temp wen measured was at 101 after discontinueing dnp

also as a child i was born wif a low blood pressure and have had it all my life, it was cheked now and is sitting jus above normal, i would give figures but i cannot remember wat
now if anyone doesnt think thats an issue consider the fact that all my life ive had a blood pressure so low wen i would get up i would faint sumtimes or have massive headaches for an hour, to go from that level to the next in 6 days is obscene

i should also state i had extremely low levels of soium in my body that i wasnt able to absorb alot of water that i was drinking causing minor deydration of my liver, kidneys etc

NOW I THINK I SHOULD REMIND THIS IS ALLL WITHIN 6 DAYS
IM NOT SAYING THIS WILL HAPPEN TO EVERYONE, WAT IM SAYING IS IT COULD SERZ HAPPEN, atleast sum of these if not more or others as discussed to me today at the cancer institute by a specialist who laughed at me n said i had guarentted myself a shorter life

ALL I WANT OUT OF THIS IS FOR ANYONE WHO CONSIDERS TO USE DNP (FOR QUIK WEIGHT LOSS TO GET SHREDDED AS I DID OR JUST DROP HUGE AMOUNTS OF FAT) THINK FOR A SECOND
i got all this and i had no allergic reaction to it, and i felt quite comfortable while using it, while on it even wif the nose bleed i wasnt feeling as if there was sumthing wrong wif me, i felt quite comfrotable
IF DNP CAN CAUSE THIS WIFOUT U EVEN FEELING IT WTF COULD IT DO TO U?
and worse all in 6 days wat about the long term effects

SMOKING HARDLY HURTS U IN THE SHORT TERM, yet in the long run it is linked to sooo many diseases, cancer, tumors, health probelms, DO U FEEL LIKE UR GOING TO DIE WEN U START SMOKING? anser is NO, yet soo many people in the long run suffer as a consequence

im not trying to deter u from smoking im trying to explain to u wat DNP COULD DO TO U IN THE LONG RUN IF IT DID THIS TO ME IN THE SHORT span of 6 days

i know sum will say well u ran clen and cytomel aswell, but lets be serz, DO U REALLY BELEIEV THAT THEY HAD SO A HUGE INFLUEBNCE TO CAUSE EVRYTHING i had experienced, i asked both my doctor and 3 specialist i have scene n they all said that both those 2 would have minimal effects compared to DNP

as a result i am now going every 4 months for regualr cancer chekups, bllod tests, hormone cheks, eye tests etc just to keep an eye out, n if DNP WILL CAUSE SUMTHING IN THE LONG TERM I WILL HAVE A SHOT AT PREVENTING IT

ID LIKE TO APOLOGIZE TO EVERYONE IN THIS FORUM FOR MY DECISION and my stupidity even when i was told wat DNP CAN DO

I HOPE PEOPLE READ THIS, if u do read this PLZZZ SEND IT TO UR FRIENDS AND OTHER POEPLE INTERESTED IN ANY SUBSTANCE SUCH AS ANABOLICS etc AS I HOPE THIS GETS AROUND THE NET AND PREVENTS ANYONE WHO CONSIDERS USING DNP to realise just wat i can do

AS A LAST NOTE ID LIKE TO THANK dabuffguy in this forum, his a smart guy and if given advice from him i suggest anyone in this forum take it

( THE FOLLOWING U DONT HAVE TO SEND TO ANYONE or read, its jsu wat i beleive)

i wish everyone one the best in their pursuit for their physique and goals and remind them, u wont wont appreciate sumthing unless u work hard for it
and example taking dnp accomplished nuthing u loose huge amounts of weight to look good, as a result can screw or end ur life
we train and diet hard and sumtimes use substances to acheive beyond wat others could ever hope for
at the same time we do it to be fit, healthy and attractive,
taking DNP willl not acheive that

STAY MOTIVATED TRAIN, DIET AND SUPPLEMNT WELL, the hardest thing in control bodybuilding is patience and will power

PLZZZ I DONT NEED COMMENTS AND REPLYS TO THIS POST OR ANY PRIVATE MESSAGES, i only want it read, i dont wanna discuss it, im going bak to training and dieting hard

best wished to everyone

 

[sonicwaste]

I'm glad you quit it man.

I haven't touched DNP in 7 years and will never touch it again.

I too, had elevated white blood cells. I have increased sweating that has never gone away. And I also had a good blow to my thyroid function as well. The blow to my thyroid I have not totally recovered from either. I am still borderline hypothyroidism and I wasn't before my DNP use.

We aren't supposed to be talking about DNP here anymore... So let's just say don't do it, it has no place anywhere, and let's stop talking about it. It is important to show that there are severe short term and long term side effects of DNP use.

 

[druncanwaria]

surely others had experienced these sides and posted in other forums.. if they did you prob just ignored them right? im like that if i decide i want to do something i just look for the posts that say do it.. On the bright side mate good to see you fixed that low blood pressure issue

 

[shrimp poboy]

Wow that should make peeps think twice huh

 

[Nelson Montana]

Mods...remember this thread title so you can post it up anytime a member asks about using this crazy shit.

 

[timtim]

wow, causing cancer formation in 6 or 7 days? i would definately find a specialist for that. being a huge hypochondriac, i have never - in all of my many "cancer scares" - seen someone say they had a cancer growth form in such a short period of time. good luck and God bless.

 

[swole]

who in their right mind would touch this stuff?

good god.

i bet even the best bodybuilders don't do it

 

[SouthernLord]

DNP is a horrible drug that has no place in the fitness world.

 

[artificialaspirations]

terribly written and difficult to read but i get the idea

 

[THE GOOD SUN]

I will never understand why people will risk their health in such a broad fashion ..competitor or not (hey, just me)


Many of us know, but for those who don't, let me tell you it's a such a BREAK-THROUGH moment (arguably the biggest) when you see for yourself how manipulating your diet can transform your body to such an extent

..CUZ THEN IT'S FOREVER, BABY!! ..and not just till you get to the bottom of the bottle of "X" ..knowing what to feed your body (& when) to make it look the way you want is IMHO, THE ULTIMATE TOOL one can have to sculpt their body, PERIOD!!

 

[2evil]

who in their right mind would touch this stuff?

good god.

i bet even the best bodybuilders don't do it

Unfortunately you're wrong. I wish you weren't but you are. It's not usually the guy on top but the guy that is ALMOST there that pushes the limits with stuff like this.

This should be a sticky. I just hope we don't see another "Special report, from the desk of George Spellwin" on DNP...

 

[C Manson]

i know nothing about dnp..im just wondering does it have a legit purpose for use or is it just an underground compound??

 

[2evil]

i know nothing about dnp..im just wondering does it have a legit purpose for use or is it just an underground compound??

It's basically an industrial chemical and a poison. Loosing fat is a side effect as it kills you.

 

[C Manson]

just read a little bit on it...was originally used to ignite dynamite (fkn hell)...people who worked with it often lost lots of weight as a side effect.

youd have to be fuckin nuts to use this shite.

 

[thebigoz]

Glad to see you stopped taking it. Now, I just hope your body recovers from all the damage that was caused. Sincerely, good luck.

 

[jacshelb]

No offense to anyone's sensibilities, but what I don't understand is why people insist on using the absolute most they can get away with. With a drug like DNP the lethal/dangerous dose is different for everyone. While I'm not going to ever "promote" the use of DNP (that would be ridiculous) I do want to point out that if you went to doctors and got 100 tests at the tail end of a heavy aas cycle you'd look like you were dying too. Blood pressure would be up, your blood cell counts would be all over the place, cholesterol would be messed up, possible liver values messed up etc. etc.

What really does stand out to me in all this is the part about the permenant sweating/thyroid problems. My grandma went through this. At some point in treatment for cancer she began sweating much more on one side of her body and her thyroid was severely slowed. These two seem to somehow go hand in hand. And, adding in t3 AND clen during a DNP cycle is overkill. Your thyroid slows down to deal with the DNP heating effects. If you add extra t3 to the mix to "feel better" while on DNP, you're also more strongly telling your body to shut down natural production making it harder to recover down the line.

Many of the compounds discussed on here are dangerous and should not be used by someone too young to know how to take is slow and carefully. Obviously, DNP is much more dangerous than the others. There's too much inconsistancy in various prepared DNP and people's genetics to determine how it's going to affect you accurately. Finding a safe level of use is extremely tricky. I know some would say impossible and I understand why. But, I would take other's experiences as a good way to learn what not to do!

 

[Nelson Montana]

The irony here is that steroids can actually be healthy. Remember, they were invented to restore health.

There is no medical purpose for dnp. It is a poison -- oh yeah you lose weight too.

Hey, maybe rat poison in moderate dosages will make you lose weight and you may not die. You're still out of your fucking mind if you take it.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I certainly could understand the draw of it. Lose a shit ton of fat in a week or two that would normally take you months.

But at the expense of dying????!!!!!! Or at the very least, as our friend ECY has done, "guarantee yourself a shorter life". For what? a week's worth of drug use? Wow. Just wow. Also adding T3 to it that could fuck your thyroid. Also clen, which can damage your heart?

Even for making a living as a BB'r, let alone just for a summer six pack. It baffles the mind.

Using nicotine, mass amounts of alchohol, heroin, X, and cocaine, and meth daily for a month would be better for your body for christ sake.

Call me a pussy, but It has taken me a while to finally decide to use fucking tren my next cycle cause it can be a bit "harsh".
But dudes just use DNP like its no big deal.

Thank you Needto, for not deleting this thread (because it does kinda pertain to the other one). His experience should be a lesson to everyone that considers DNP. I think it should be re-written so its easier to understand for the masses and a STICKY for the rest of the summer. Then stuck again every may or so when the summer "fair weather" BB'rs come around.

 

[sonicwaste]

Well 8-10 years ago I don't think we knew it was as bad as we know it is now. I mean we knew it was bad, but we didn't really know how bad. I don't remember a lot from back then, that long ago... But I don't remember anyone really talking about how bad and deadly DNP is. Seems like it's been in the last few years that we really realized that this shit should be wiped from BB.

Unfortunately you're wrong. I wish you weren't but you are. It's not usually the guy on top but the guy that is ALMOST there that pushes the limits with stuff like this.

This should be a sticky. I just hope we don't see another "Special report, from the desk of George Spellwin" on DNP...

 

[eClenbuterol]

Mods...remember this thread title so you can post it up anytime a member asks about using this crazy shit.

No kidding it's such a extreme method to loose weight honestly it reminds me of meth users with the insomnia, night sweats etc. Bro glad you listened to people what's the point of looking good if you are no longer around.

God Bless
Rick

 

[-SD-]

"if you save one life, you save the world entire"

 

[bigtravis]

You know. Out of everything I've done over the years. I have never tried it.

 

[jacshelb]

I certainly could understand the draw of it. Lose a shit ton of fat in a week or two that would normally take you months.

Well that's the problem. The idea of a week or two to lose all that weight is what hooks people in and then they don't think about the other aspects. Many people use DNP with 50-150 mg. per day and get slower fat burning effects, but also next to no side effects. Think about it, if you are not severely overheating your body then you aren't going to depress your thyroid into crazy shutdown mode. Also, you won't have any worse problems with sweating etc than you would with tren. The free radicals etc are actually from the fat burning process- i.e. you release them any time you lose fat. It's just super sped up with a high dose of DNP and therefore unhealthy- especially coupled with all the other crap it causes.

Again, I'm not saying do it. But this is starting to remind me of the media hype surrounding steroids because so many idiots in the 80s went overboard with orals and shut down their kidneys and livers etc etc. We've come a long way with how we understand anabolics and not so much with something like DNP. It's still surrounded in some kind of mystical aura where it's just somehow bad no matter what. No, misusing/abusing it is bad. People don't understand that you don't have to go to the brink of death for it to work. They want all the results right away and rationalize it by saying things like "This shit is dangerous, I better get it overwith quick and out of my system!" But what if you said that about asprin? I better take a whole fucking bunch in one sitting instead of small doses over the course of weeks.... Duh.

Putting a strong emotional magnification on the dangers of DNP and just saying "DON'T DO IT!" will deter some, but not all. Just like telling teens to abstain from sex in order to stop teen pregnancy and spread of stds. Some will listen, others will go out and rebel and do it anyway. I'd rather give them a choice and say, "Look, it's dangerous if you don't take precautions, it's dangerous sometimes even when you do. But, here's the facts. There's a real stupid way to go about it and a smarter way. And, if you've totally made up your mind to do it, at least be educated and know what you are getting into and take the best care you can!"

That's my two cents for what it's worth. People are going to do dumb shit. But they are going to be less dumb after getting the facts, hopefully.

In my opinion (after really looking into it- research, history etc etc.) the real problem with DNP is the high dosing people think they have to do, lack of patience, lack of knowledge. I know some say it has no legitimate medical value and it's a poison etc. I can't argue that because that's taking random aspects of it and not translating it rationally into the context that we're talking about. Yes it's used as a poison, a dye, to treat lumber, as part of the process of igniting dynomite. Polysorbate 80 is used as a chemical solvent, dangerous to make contact with skin, used in ice-cream, beauty products etc etc. There is a lot to how (and how much of) something is used and putting that in context.

Better to be safe than sorry- that's my motto for the most part. But, we're basing our opinions on some really dumb uses of this substance instead of research and objectivity. To me, the jury is still out. I definitely know not to ever push the envelop with it, that's dumb.

But the OP is freaking out, not being objective- no offense, I wouldn't be either. It didn't give you cancer in 6 days, your thyroid will be fine in a week and a half. And your testosterone is anybody's guess. This is not scientific evidence of anything. It's a knee jerk reaction based on fear and a terrible situation. But, you are going to get better and you've learned from your mistakes. And, ECY, I appreciate your input on this!

 

[-SD-]

The difference between DNP and roids is the margin of error is almost zero with DNP. If your doses are off just a little with DNP, its emergency room time or death. If your doses are off a little with roids, its no big deal, just more sides or more effects. No margin of error for DNP in addition to the regular effects it has, thats the danger.

 

[Lambruh]

ECY monster, i'm guessing Ephedra - Caffeine - Yohimbe monster? lol ironic

Alot of things you've left out to share that is propably crucial to your failure with DNP, such as your weight, BF%, your cardio/conditioning level, how your diet was, how your diet was split, what you supplemented in regards to what DNP depletes, did you take T3, what type of DNP crystal/powder, what times did you take, the doses, workout regime, temperture outside, what you do for a living and throughout the day.

 

[jacshelb]

The difference between DNP and roids is the margin of error is almost zero with DNP. If your doses are off just a little with DNP, its emergency room time or death. If your doses are off a little with roids, its no big deal, just more sides or more effects. No margin of error for DNP in addition to the regular effects it has, thats the danger.

That's a very good point and I agree. I just think that margin is more than people think IF they are willing to use a much smaller dose than typically recommended. I wouldn't go near 500 mg a day. A guy on another board says that his "reasonable" dose for himself is between 50 mg and 75 mg. Anything over that and he starts noticing some sides, so that's where he keeps it. To me, IF you are going to use DNP, that'd be the way to do it, very very carefully. Again, I understand that there are a lot of things we don't know about it and it's better to be safe than sorry.

But, I still think the main problem is that we need to redefine our perspective on how to see dosing with this chemical. I mean, we never recommend a newbie use 2 grams of test a week. Why? Because we know that 200 mg will be effective and he can see how he reacts with it. Would he grow more on 2 grams? Yes, but he'd be in for crazy dangerous sides just like with DNP. What a lot of people don't know is that DNP is effective at those lower doses in direct proportion to the higher doses. The fact that it CAN cause crazy rapid fat loss in a short amount of time has made most people think that it has to be used that way to get any results. Not true. That's just black and white thinking.

p.s. Also another problem is that the powder and crystals are a point of dosing confusion- with crystal DNP being much more potent by most accounts- almost double some say mg for mg. A person could run into a lot of problems there.

Also, I want to be very clear here. I am not recommending anyone use DNP, why would I? I'm just saying that we need to understand it better and hopefully better understanding will bring about some better decisions concerning it.

 

[jacshelb]

ECY monster, i'm guessing Ephedra - Caffeine - Yohimbe monster? lol ironic

Alot of things you've left out to share that is propably crucial to your failure with DNP, such as your weight, BF%, your cardio/conditioning level, how your diet was, how your diet was split, what you supplemented in regards to what DNP depletes, did you take T3, what type of DNP crystal/powder, what times did you take, the doses, workout regime, temperture outside, what you do for a living and throughout the day.

He was taking t3 and clen with it, it's summer and 500mg per day. I agree, these factors are very important to understand this.

 

[Lambruh]

Not to bash the thread starter but looking at his post history, I wouldn't guess he's any older than 20yo's, uneducated in all aspects of AAS

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/w...lifting/wats-good-steroid-workout-654136.html

really? a good steroid workout?

now people are saying sticky this experience because some uneducated AAS user decided to toss a chemical down his throat and fucked himself up in the process due to lack of knowledge? Oh yeah, sticky this bros! Let's show the world how bad DNP is with the worst example of all.

Alot of hypocracy if you ask me, the same people who get pissed off when AAS is being bashed in the news for death/sports related issues broadcasted by uneducated news reporters. They're the same ones on here who will get all hyped from reading this uneducated DNP user's bad experience and say "sticky this so everyone can see how oh so horrible DNP is" lol

Instead of being smart and stickying how not to fuck up DNP, like some forums do --->> Steroid Forum - MESO-Rx

let's sticky some new guys bad experience in hope to scare peoples thoughts of using DNP rather than educating them on it.

 

[Lambruh]

Mods...remember this thread title so you can post it up anytime a member asks about using this crazy shit.

yeah good call, and when dateline just needs a refrence to bash steroids, just point to Chris Benoit! Prime example of roid rage

 

[-SD-]

Not to bash the thread starter but looking at his post history, I wouldn't guess he's any older than 20yo's, uneducated in all aspects of AAS

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/w...lifting/wats-good-steroid-workout-654136.html

really? a good steroid workout?

now people are saying sticky this experience because some uneducated AAS user decided to toss a chemical down his throat and fucked himself up in the process due to lack of knowledge? Oh yeah, sticky this bros! Let's show the world how bad DNP is with the worst example of all.

Alot of hypocracy if you ask me, the same people who get pissed off when AAS is being bashed in the news for death/sports related issues broadcasted by uneducated news reporters. They're the same ones on here who will get all hyped from reading this uneducated DNP user's bad experience and say "sticky this so everyone can see how oh so horrible DNP is" lol

Instead of being smart and stickying how not to fuck up DNP, like some forums do --->> Steroid Forum - MESO-Rx

let's sticky some new guys bad experience in hope to scare peoples thoughts of using DNP rather than educating them on it.

So you think DNP can be fit for performance enhancement ingestion using certain protocols? I think the nature of what we do here on EF, the "bigger, stronger, faster" mentality and the concurrent mentality of "more is better" may get away with roids but simply does not lend itself to any sort of safe usage of a substance like DNP. Not to use a broad brush, but the very nature of most younger bors on this board is not restraint, if it was no one here would be using any drugs to begin with. Even if there were no way to OD on DNP, the sides are too great and the users margin of error to cause death makes it a nonfeasible performance enhancer. I dont think its hypocracy to draw a line somewhere when it comes to something as dangerous as DNP.

 

[ecy monster]

well i said i wouldnt reply but i guess people want more info to be confinced or understand wats happened to me
age 20, bf% starting 12-14% semms to change depending on how much fluid i drank, weight 93.4 kilograms
lifts:
bench press 100 kilos, 6 reps
stiff leg deadlift 150 kilos, 12 reps
45 degree leg press: 420 kilograms, 6 reps
barbell shoulder press 80 kilograms, 12 reps
hope that gives an idea
cardio was none
weight traing was very light, not carried out to failure, lifted 80% of wat i usually do
ive been training since 16 but started hard at about 17
diet consisted of 250 grams carbs, protein 250 grams, fat came naturally didnt count e.g fat found in rice, tuna, chiken breat, skim milk etc
most my carbs came within my first 3 meals, breakfast, post workout, lunch
yes i took t3 about 30mg a day in the morning
dnp was powder, , taken 12 hours apart
over my 6 days this is how it was dosed
day 1 200mg, 1 in morning, 1 12 hours later
day 2 300mg 2 morning, 1 12 hours later
day 3 400mg 2 morning, 2 12 hours later
day 4 400mg 2 morning, 2 12 hours later
days 5 500mg 3 morning, 2 12 hours later
days 6 same
day 7 discontinued
also its not summer in my country its winter, temp outside below 15 degrees everyday
i am currently a student studying for my exams at univerity doing a double degree bachelor of buisness and bachelor of commerce in economics and accoutning
my day does not consist of heavy activity, most of it i sit on my arse n study
also i drank huge amounts of water daily
supplements was 2 multivitams daily
my end results after 6 days weight 83.6 kilograms, bf%7-8, straight after my last dose of DNP
my results 2dai, 2 days after discontinueing, weight 81.9 kilograms and my diet has returned to 3400 calories, 30% protein, 50% good carbs, 20% fat
n im not exaggerating they are my stats at the moment, all tests were carried out at my gym, and even the guy who tested me couldnt believe his eyes
also all my friends and girlfriend have noticed, i went n saw my oldies tonight for dinner n they freaked themselves n asked wat i was on
any more questions?

 

[ecy monster]

also to the comment about SAFE USE OF DNP
i think thats a joke
thats like saying safe use of eating washing powder
instead of eating a cupfull coz it will kill u faster, have a quarter of a cup
honestly i know people are going to use the stuff but i hope my post prevents atleast sumone who considers it
ALSO i saw my specialist 2dai about my nose cancer, YES i do have a small cancerous tumor, BUT he says it is removal safely, and if treated fast will not spread\
also i spoke to him about DNP again n he told me that ALL phenol group compunds have been proven to be cancerous except DNP n a few others because because almost all subjects DIED before they developed cancer
he also spoke to me about similar compounds such as DNP n listed out their effects and cancerous effects, he also pointed out that they were very closely related to DNP, n for anyone to think that because DNP isnt exactly like them, it will not cause cancer or problems, is just stupid
i think its true as stated in this forum, people read wat they want to read wen theyve made up der mind and beliefs, NO MATTER WAT U TELL THEM, der still going to do or think wat they beleieve anyways, (as i did unfortunatly)
well i guess for those like me u will learn from ur mistakes

 

[jacshelb]

also to the comment about SAFE USE OF DNP
i think thats a joke
thats like saying safe use of eating washing powder
instead of eating a cupfull coz it will kill u faster, have a quarter of a cup

How would you know this? You took enough to make you lose 25 lbs in 6 days!! That's not healthy no matter how you get there. I'm not bashing you or trying to be a dick. I'm just saying that people really need to re-think how they are going to approach DNP (IF they are going to use it) and your experiences and others should be a warning. I agree that it's dangerous. But, obviously I don't agree that there is no safe dose. Nothing is safe if abused/over-used/mis-used.

If someone can show me a study of a person doing 50-100 mg per day for a few weeks- or even an experience of it- and getting some kind of cancer or illness I'd be totally convinced. But, all I see all over the internet is people doing 500-1000 mg per day and talking about how sick it made them! Well, that's a problem. But, just because we drove into a ditch on the right hand side of the road doesn't mean we should immediately make a sharp left turn and keep going. Let's keep our eyes open and be objective, learn all we can, and then make a decision. That's all I'm saying.

Ecymonster, I really do appreciate you giving out all the info and experience. I'm not knocking your standpoint, just trying to expand upon it a bit. I understand where you are coming from and don't blame you a bit! If I'd gone down that road I'd be in the same place. I appreciate you sharing your experience so I don't have to go there. Seriously.

 

[ecy monster]

understanable about wat u think
but again almost anywhere u read dosages are said to be between 200 to 500mg daily wifout any adverse side effects, most recommend 400mg is safe
ND IM NOT JUS SAYING DIS I READ ALOT and most say up to 500 can be tolerated comefortably wif out side effects
maybe this dosage idea needs to be re evaluated

 

[alumbrado]

honestly, it would have been better if you write better.. im sorry for what happened to you bro.. but its kinda hard to comprehend your thoughts with the way you write.. still, i hope you'll get better in the end.

 

[timtim]

understanable about wat u think
but again almost anywhere u read dosages are said to be between 200 to 500mg daily wifout any adverse side effects, most recommend 400mg is safe
ND IM NOT JUS SAYING DIS I READ ALOT and most say up to 500 can be tolerated comefortably wif out side effects
maybe this dosage idea needs to be re evaluated

im not sure where you were researching, but i rarely hear people say 500mg is the normal dosage with no sides. adversely, i have heard 100 to 200 can be tolerable BUT ITS FUCKING POISON so who cares. diet smarter, harder, and longer.

 

[timtim]

honestly, it would have been better if you write better.. im sorry for what happened to you bro.. but its kinda hard to comprehend your thoughts with the way you write.. still, i hope you'll get better in the end.

you ever think english maybe his 2nd or even 3rd language? his thoughts were conveyed clear enough for an adult to understand.

 

[paridhm]

Taking DNP without proper precautions, i.e. drinking about 3 - 4 gallons / day water is probably the quickest way to the morgue a bodybuilder can do themselves.

 

[Wulfgar]

I guess I should chime in here since Ive used DNP on multiple occasions. But I generally use it for a different purpose than most guys.

First things first no one who does not compete should even touch this shit. And even those who do better check themselves if they have a addictive personality or if they are in a rush to lose the fat because I show is creeping up on them or something.

My attraction to DNp other than the fat loss aspect is its ability to create a catabolic state in the body in a short period of time. It tends to clean out androgen(and other) recptor sites very quickly. So one can quickly induce a sort of "controlled overtrained" state. which as anybody who has ever seen a post competition bodybuilder face slam massive calories after a show and grow like a weed knows, this state can significantly create a powerful anabolic state.

Anyhow, a few guidelines should be laid out here for those who insist on using the stuff.

- never take over 5mg/kg bw daily but 3-4mg/kg BW is better(which max for me is roughly 680mg daily and I am close to 300 lbs @ 12% right now, and i never exceeded 600 mg over 24 hours in my life)
- never use it if you are over 12%BF
- Never use it for longer than 5 days straight
- Drink approx 2 gallons of water a day to flush all the catabolic waste from your body
- Eat at least 2.5 G protein per lb of BW daily
- Multivitmain is essential
- a good antioxidant stack is wise
- 50-150 G glutamine a day is essential
- Dont do any high weight training techniques while you are on since DNP tends to compromise the joints somewhat
- And please people, for fucks sake, do not use clen, ephedra, meth, crack, cocaine, T3 or any other stupid fucking CNS stimulant while on this shit.


I did not want to be a voice of dissent or anything here. But I know that many guys do and will always use this stuff heedless of any warnings. They may as well be as safe as possible while doing it.





and btw ECY, I am sorry you had to learn the hard way my man

 

[Acela]

I guess I should chime in here since Ive used DNP on multiple occasions. But I generally use it for a different purpose than most guys.

First things first no one who does not compete should even touch this shit. And even those who do better check themselves if they have a addictive personality or if they are in a rush to lose the fat because I show is creeping up on them or something.

My attraction to DNp other than the fat loss aspect is its ability to create a catabolic state in the body in a short period of time. It tends to clean out androgen(and other) recptor sites very quickly. So one can quickly induce a sort of "controlled overtrained" state. which as anybody who has ever seen a post competition bodybuilder face slam massive calories after a show and grow like a weed knows, this state can significantly create a powerful anabolic state.

Anyhow, a few guidelines should be laid out here for those who insist on using the stuff.

- never take over 5mg/kg bw daily but 3-4mg/kg BW is better(which max for me is roughly 680mg daily and I am close to 300 lbs @ 12% right now, and i never exceeded 600 mg over 24 hours in my life)
- never use it if you are over 12%BF
- Never use it for longer than 5 days straight
- Drink approx 2 gallons of water a day to flush all the catabolic waste from your body
- Eat at least 2.5 G protein per lb of BW daily
- Multivitmain is essential
- a good antioxidant stack is wise
- 50-150 G glutamine a day is essential
- Dont do any high weight training techniques while you are on since DNP tends to compromise the joints somewhat
- And please people, for fucks sake, do not use clen, ephedra, meth, crack, cocaine, T3 or any other stupid fucking CNS stimulant while on this shit.


I did not want to be a voice of dissent or anything here. But I know that many guys do and will always use this stuff heedless of any warnings. They may as well be as safe as possible while doing it.





well articulated my friend

 

[-SD-]

I guess I should chime in here since Ive used DNP on multiple occasions. But I generally use it for a different purpose than most guys.

First things first no one who does not compete should even touch this shit. And even those who do better check themselves if they have a addictive personality or if they are in a rush to lose the fat because I show is creeping up on them or something.

My attraction to DNp other than the fat loss aspect is its ability to create a catabolic state in the body in a short period of time. It tends to clean out androgen(and other) recptor sites very quickly. So one can quickly induce a sort of "controlled overtrained" state. which as anybody who has ever seen a post competition bodybuilder face slam massive calories after a show and grow like a weed knows, this state can significantly create a powerful anabolic state.

Anyhow, a few guidelines should be laid out here for those who insist on using the stuff.

- never take over 5mg/kg bw daily but 3-4mg/kg BW is better(which max for me is roughly 680mg daily and I am close to 300 lbs @ 12% right now, and i never exceeded 600 mg over 24 hours in my life)
- never use it if you are over 12%BF
- Never use it for longer than 5 days straight
- Drink approx 2 gallons of water a day to flush all the catabolic waste from your body
- Eat at least 2.5 G protein per lb of BW daily
- Multivitmain is essential
- a good antioxidant stack is wise
- 50-150 G glutamine a day is essential
- Dont do any high weight training techniques while you are on since DNP tends to compromise the joints somewhat
- And please people, for fucks sake, do not use clen, ephedra, meth, crack, cocaine, T3 or any other stupid fucking CNS stimulant while on this shit.


I did not want to be a voice of dissent or anything here. But I know that many guys do and will always use this stuff heedless of any warnings. They may as well be as safe as possible while doing it.





and btw ECY, I am sorry you had to learn the hard way my man

If this board was filled with nothing but very experienced competitive bodybuilders this might be a viable option. But theres just way too many 20 year olds who need to drop some weight for spring break/summertime and they think DNP can be the ticket.

 

[Wulfgar]

If this board was filled with nothing but very experienced competitive bodybuilders this might be a viable option. But theres just way too many 20 year olds who need to drop some weight for spring break/summertime and they think DNP can be the ticket.

I agree

But the reason I respectfully disagree with Banning DNP discussion is simple. It is like banning sex education from schools.

Regardless of the horrors of early pregnancies, STD's, religious hysteria, social pressures etc. Kids are still gonna fuck.

It is the same with these dangerous compounds. Burying intellectual conversation about them is a sure fire way to guarantee more good intentioned but uninformed guys will hurt themselves.

 

[-SD-]

I agree

But the reason I respectfully disagree with Banning DNP discussion is simple. It is like banning sex education from schools.

Regardless of the horrors of early pregnancies, STD's, religious hysteria, social pressures etc. Kids are still gonna fuck.

It is the same with these dangerous compounds. Burying intellectual conversation about them is a sure fire way to guarantee more good intentioned but uninformed guys will hurt themselves.

I dont think banning discussion is a good idea either, but hammering idiot kids back to the stone-age for wanting to try it sounds good to me.

 

[Makavelli]

I've been trying to get people to stop using dnp for years. It's just not healthy. In fact I just commented last week on how I don't help people use, nor do I ever recommend it. I hope this will help people get it through their heads.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I dont think banning discussion is a good idea either, but hammering idiot kids back to the stone-age for wanting to try it sounds good to me.

LMAO!!!!!



Wulfgar, that was a very intellegent post bro. You certainly are a "mad scientist" .

 

[sensational]

Can we please stop the fearmongering?

We can come up with thousands of horror stories about alcohol, aspirin, Ibuprofen...virtually any substance.

Education is the key here, we should have intelligent and realistic discussions about bodybuilding supplements, and if members are interested, these discussions should include DNP. Just my opinion.

Yes, I have used DNP.