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jacshelb
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Well that's the problem. The idea of a week or two to lose all that weight is what hooks people in and then they don't think about the other aspects. Many people use DNP with 50-150 mg. per day and get slower fat burning effects, but also next to no side effects. Think about it, if you are not severely overheating your body then you aren't going to depress your thyroid into crazy shutdown mode. Also, you won't have any worse problems with sweating etc than you would with tren. The free radicals etc are actually from the fat burning process- i.e. you release them any time you lose fat. It's just super sped up with a high dose of DNP and therefore unhealthy- especially coupled with all the other crap it causes.
Again, I'm not saying do it. But this is starting to remind me of the media hype surrounding steroids because so many idiots in the 80s went overboard with orals and shut down their kidneys and livers etc etc. We've come a long way with how we understand anabolics and not so much with something like DNP. It's still surrounded in some kind of mystical aura where it's just somehow bad no matter what. No, misusing/abusing it is bad. People don't understand that you don't have to go to the brink of death for it to work. They want all the results right away and rationalize it by saying things like "This shit is dangerous, I better get it overwith quick and out of my system!" But what if you said that about asprin? I better take a whole fucking bunch in one sitting instead of small doses over the course of weeks.... Duh.
Putting a strong emotional magnification on the dangers of DNP and just saying "DON'T DO IT!" will deter some, but not all. Just like telling teens to abstain from sex in order to stop teen pregnancy and spread of stds. Some will listen, others will go out and rebel and do it anyway. I'd rather give them a choice and say, "Look, it's dangerous if you don't take precautions, it's dangerous sometimes even when you do. But, here's the facts. There's a real stupid way to go about it and a smarter way. And, if you've totally made up your mind to do it, at least be educated and know what you are getting into and take the best care you can!"
That's my two cents for what it's worth. People are going to do dumb shit. But they are going to be less dumb after getting the facts, hopefully.
In my opinion (after really looking into it- research, history etc etc.) the real problem with DNP is the high dosing people think they have to do, lack of patience, lack of knowledge. I know some say it has no legitimate medical value and it's a poison etc. I can't argue that because that's taking random aspects of it and not translating it rationally into the context that we're talking about. Yes it's used as a poison, a dye, to treat lumber, as part of the process of igniting dynomite. Polysorbate 80 is used as a chemical solvent, dangerous to make contact with skin, used in ice-cream, beauty products etc etc. There is a lot to how (and how much of) something is used and putting that in context.
Better to be safe than sorry- that's my motto for the most part. But, we're basing our opinions on some really dumb uses of this substance instead of research and objectivity. To me, the jury is still out. I definitely know not to ever push the envelop with it, that's dumb.
But the OP is freaking out, not being objective- no offense, I wouldn't be either. It didn't give you cancer in 6 days, your thyroid will be fine in a week and a half. And your testosterone is anybody's guess. This is not scientific evidence of anything. It's a knee jerk reaction based on fear and a terrible situation. But, you are going to get better and you've learned from your mistakes. And, ECY, I appreciate your input on this!
The difference between DNP and roids is the margin of error is almost zero with DNP. If your doses are off just a little with DNP, its emergency room time or death. If your doses are off a little with roids, its no big deal, just more sides or more effects. No margin of error for DNP in addition to the regular effects it has, thats the danger.
Lambruh
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ECY monster, i'm guessing Ephedra - Caffeine - Yohimbe monster? lol ironic
Alot of things you've left out to share that is propably crucial to your failure with DNP, such as your weight, BF%, your cardio/conditioning level, how your diet was, how your diet was split, what you supplemented in regards to what DNP depletes, did you take T3, what type of DNP crystal/powder, what times did you take, the doses, workout regime, temperture outside, what you do for a living and throughout the day.
Alot of things you've left out to share that is propably crucial to your failure with DNP, such as your weight, BF%, your cardio/conditioning level, how your diet was, how your diet was split, what you supplemented in regards to what DNP depletes, did you take T3, what type of DNP crystal/powder, what times did you take, the doses, workout regime, temperture outside, what you do for a living and throughout the day.
jacshelb
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That's a very good point and I agree. I just think that margin is more than people think IF they are willing to use a much smaller dose than typically recommended. I wouldn't go near 500 mg a day. A guy on another board says that his "reasonable" dose for himself is between 50 mg and 75 mg. Anything over that and he starts noticing some sides, so that's where he keeps it. To me, IF you are going to use DNP, that'd be the way to do it, very very carefully. Again, I understand that there are a lot of things we don't know about it and it's better to be safe than sorry.
But, I still think the main problem is that we need to redefine our perspective on how to see dosing with this chemical. I mean, we never recommend a newbie use 2 grams of test a week. Why? Because we know that 200 mg will be effective and he can see how he reacts with it. Would he grow more on 2 grams? Yes, but he'd be in for crazy dangerous sides just like with DNP. What a lot of people don't know is that DNP is effective at those lower doses in direct proportion to the higher doses. The fact that it CAN cause crazy rapid fat loss in a short amount of time has made most people think that it has to be used that way to get any results. Not true. That's just black and white thinking.
p.s. Also another problem is that the powder and crystals are a point of dosing confusion- with crystal DNP being much more potent by most accounts- almost double some say mg for mg. A person could run into a lot of problems there.
Also, I want to be very clear here. I am not recommending anyone use DNP, why would I? I'm just saying that we need to understand it better and hopefully better understanding will bring about some better decisions concerning it.
jacshelb
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He was taking t3 and clen with it, it's summer and 500mg per day. I agree, these factors are very important to understand this.
Lambruh
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Not to bash the thread starter but looking at his post history, I wouldn't guess he's any older than 20yo's, uneducated in all aspects of AAS
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/w...lifting/wats-good-steroid-workout-654136.html
really? a good steroid workout?
now people are saying sticky this experience because some uneducated AAS user decided to toss a chemical down his throat and fucked himself up in the process due to lack of knowledge? Oh yeah, sticky this bros! Let's show the world how bad DNP is with the worst example of all.
Alot of hypocracy if you ask me, the same people who get pissed off when AAS is being bashed in the news for death/sports related issues broadcasted by uneducated news reporters. They're the same ones on here who will get all hyped from reading this uneducated DNP user's bad experience and say "sticky this so everyone can see how oh so horrible DNP is" lol
Instead of being smart and stickying how not to fuck up DNP, like some forums do --->> Steroid Forum - MESO-Rx
let's sticky some new guys bad experience in hope to scare peoples thoughts of using DNP rather than educating them on it.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/w...lifting/wats-good-steroid-workout-654136.html
really? a good steroid workout?
now people are saying sticky this experience because some uneducated AAS user decided to toss a chemical down his throat and fucked himself up in the process due to lack of knowledge? Oh yeah, sticky this bros! Let's show the world how bad DNP is with the worst example of all.
Alot of hypocracy if you ask me, the same people who get pissed off when AAS is being bashed in the news for death/sports related issues broadcasted by uneducated news reporters. They're the same ones on here who will get all hyped from reading this uneducated DNP user's bad experience and say "sticky this so everyone can see how oh so horrible DNP is" lol
Instead of being smart and stickying how not to fuck up DNP, like some forums do --->> Steroid Forum - MESO-Rx
let's sticky some new guys bad experience in hope to scare peoples thoughts of using DNP rather than educating them on it.
Lambruh
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yeah good call, and when dateline just needs a refrence to bash steroids, just point to Chris Benoit! Prime example of roid rage
So you think DNP can be fit for performance enhancement ingestion using certain protocols? I think the nature of what we do here on EF, the "bigger, stronger, faster" mentality and the concurrent mentality of "more is better" may get away with roids but simply does not lend itself to any sort of safe usage of a substance like DNP. Not to use a broad brush, but the very nature of most younger bors on this board is not restraint, if it was no one here would be using any drugs to begin with. Even if there were no way to OD on DNP, the sides are too great and the users margin of error to cause death makes it a nonfeasible performance enhancer. I dont think its hypocracy to draw a line somewhere when it comes to something as dangerous as DNP.
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