Does anyone follows this PCT protocol?

[rage_roid]

I asked William Llewelyn at his site about the correct PCT protocol to follow, since I pretty much still stick with the old 5000ui 2500 ui e3w, 20 mg. tamoxifen x 4w, and it really really works fine for me.

My last cycle was.

1-10 400 mg. cyp
8-12 50 mg. winny
1-6 40 mg. oxandrolone

Now, I've seen at most boards that that protocol is not use anymore, HCG is has been pull out of every single PCT protocol and administrated during cycle or at the end of it...

http://www.medibolics.com/ScallyVergelAstractHPGA.pdf

What d you guys think about it...

 

[Chocolate_Thunder]

I asked William Llewelyn at his site about the correct PCT protocol to follow, since I pretty much still stick with the old 5000ui 2500 ui e3w, 20 mg. tamoxifen x 4w, and it really really works fine for me.

My last cycle was.

1-10 400 mg. cyp
8-12 50 mg. winny
1-6 40 mg. oxandrolone

Now, I've seen at most boards that that protocol is not use anymore, HCG is has been pull out of every single PCT protocol and administrated during cycle or at the end of it...

http://www.medibolics.com/ScallyVergelAstractHPGA.pdf

What d you guys think about it...

For me, hcg during cycle makes recovery much easier. Along with PP's test recovery stack, Nelson's Unleashed I am good to go. I got bloodwork done to be sure and all levels were right where they needed to be. Plus, no clomid which kills my libido.

 

[rage_roid]

For me, hcg during cycle makes recovery much easier. Along with PP's test recovery stack, Nelson's Unleashed I am good to go. I got bloodwork done to be sure and all levels were right where they needed to be. Plus, no clomid which kills my libido.

I know bro the hcg during cycle works, and better along with the PP TRS... downhere in southamerica, we can only get 5000 ui presentation, so it's kind of hard to use it during cycle... Now, what do you think about that protocol? honestly...

By the way, why is clomid killing your libido?

 

[Chocolate_Thunder]

I know bro the hcg during cycle works, and better along with the PP TRS... downhere in southamerica, we can only get 5000 ui presentation, so it's kind of hard to use it during cycle... Now, what do you think about that protocol? honestly...

By the way, why is clomid killing your libido?

It looks more like a study not a PCT plan. If you get 5000iu amps do this: read post #6

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/s...c-gonadotropin-dosage-605068.html#post8355040


I don't know why clomid kills my libido, it just does.

 

[rage_roid]

It looks more like a study not a PCT plan. If you get 5000iu amps do this: read post #6

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/s...c-gonadotropin-dosage-605068.html#post8355040


I don't know why clomid kills my libido, it just does.

It is a study bro, but read it all, it says what did they use, what dosages and the results... LH before PCT 0.7 after 6.2, that's what I call a success...

Weird about the clomid stuff.. .should do the opposite...

 

[Nelson Montana]

Clomid can be a libido killer in many people. It's a fucking ESTROGEN!

I spoke about this years ago and it's the reason I developed my supplements. Everyone thought I was crazy but that's because the boards were govered by those who had a set agenda and disagreeing with them meant experienced their wrath and the wrath of their minions. Now, more and more guys admit that clomid and nolva kills their dicks. Plenty of other nasty sides too.

I always preferred Proviron for it's anti e effects and that's what UNLEASHED is based on. Add more free t by lowering SHBG which in turn prevents aromatization. Better libido, strength, potential muscle, erectile rigidity and it's 100% safe. Much better.

 

[castiron]

ttt

 

[Bruce]

Sorry but clomid is essential. So is hcg in my opinion. I have talked to endos before and my doc knows what i do. I will stick with what they give to men with low test levels which is clomid nolva and hcg shots. I run 10 days of hcg at 500ius ed till the testes are back to size and a day after i run 50mg of clomid ed for 3 weeks. I always have great bloodwork after.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Sorry but clomid is essential.
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THEN WHY DO SO MANY PEOPLE RECOVER BETTER WITHOUT IT?


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So is hcg in my opinion. I have talked to endos before and my doc knows what i do. I will stick with what they give to men with low test levels which is clomid nolva and hcg shots.

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NOLVA IS NOT PRESCRIBED FOR LOW TEST. CLOMID IS, BUT MOST DOCTORS WILL ADMIT IT'S A CRAPSHOOT AND MOST DOCTORS DON'T UNDERSTAND PCT.


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I run 10 days of hcg at 500ius ed till the testes are back to size and a day after i run 50mg of clomid ed for 3 weeks. I always have great bloodwork after.
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HOW LONG AFTERWARD? MAYBE YOU'RE ONE OF THE LUCKY ONES. LOTS OF PEOPLE RESPOND POORLY TO CLOMID , IN WHICH CASE IT CAN BE A DISASTER. CLOMID DOESN'T CURE ANYTHING. THERE ISN'T A SINGLE CASE OF IT. IF CLOMID RAISED T PERMANENTLY, NO ONE WOULD NEED HRT.

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[rage_roid]

Nelson, I have the most respect for you my... but looong time ago, there was a post, where some guy asked you about his low test results, and he was on unleash, You told him that he had to put the test back up, and then unleash was going to have something to work with... You told him to get some hcg, and I dont wanna lie, but I think some nolva also, and then keep using the unleash....

Now, my personal experience, HCG and nolva worked great for me. Never tried unleash... but sure I'm plannig to do it. In worst case, it wont hurt me.

Now, how come you get clomid dick if your LH is so up (wich in theory should means you are producing test as hell)? unless your estrogen is to the roof... wich with 50 mg. of clomid I seen it pretty hard to happen, really really will like to get a good explanation from you nelson, as I consider you one of the gurus in this world, but so I consider William... Please explain it better..