Do you think you can ever go back to "normal" after being on for very long periods?

[Nighthawkk]

Thanks for the input guys, good responses all around. I'm not really too sure about the subject either but Nelson had a good point in indicating that there are way too many factors influencing each person that there is no concrete answer to the question. I'm personally still in my mid 20's and have been on or bridging for nearly 18 months so I feel that I am going to be HRT bound regardless of PCT and/or being off for a while, but it's hard to assume that now. The only rationale I provide for myself is that HRT will be more commonplace for both males and females alike in the future, and with rapid medical advances abound, we can hope that any detrimental effects from long-term use can be more easily addressed when we get older.

 

[r1]

I think it's totally possible to get back to normal, bro. Coming off after being on for a long time can leave you with a condition known as ASIH (Anabolic Steroid Induced Hypogonadism). There are a couple of good HRT around that have been very successful in treating this condition. It usually involves use of C lomid/N olvadex/H CG/H MG. Look at some posts by Jenetic in the PCT forum. He was about as suppressed as they come and he was able to recover.

I think the more important question is: will you be happy being "normal" ? Maybe normal puts all of your levels in the middle of the range. Your body flat will not respond like does while "on". If you have ASIH, coming back to mid-range would be considered a success by many. I think many bros get to this point and decide to go "on" again.

Your alternative, of course, is HRT. The benefit is the control you get. You can keep your T levels right at the top of the range as long as E is kept under control. The drawback is that it's a lifelong commitment that is often tricky to get right and keep it consistently right. I've been on HRT for over 3 years now. When it works, it fuckin' works!! When it doesn't, it is a pain in the ass. The weekly injections (1 Test and 2 HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - shots per week) are also a pain in the ass. Traveling on HRT is a huge pain in the ass. Last year I want to Canada and brought my HCG (and script for it). I didn't have any problems except constantly worrying that my HCG would get too warm and no longer work.

R1

 

[DJ_UFO]

I think that depends on genetics. My boody seems to prefectly recover after a period of time. Most carbon units have the exeptional feature of auto repair, IF they have the opportunity to do it. The opportunity for our units is time and nutrition.

 

[peejae]

Good question, but it depends on too many factors to say for certain -- age, duration of cycles, dosages, the amount of years you do them, the amount of time you stay off between cycles, even the types of drugs.

It's impossible to say how much of an effect it'll have down the line. I didn't need HRT until I was in my late 40's. Was it the result of ASS usage? Not really. My levels were normal for my age, just not acceptable to what I wanted. Meanwhile, I became hypothyroid and I never took a thyroid med in my life prior to having it prescribed to me. So go figure.

It'd be fair to say that if you do this for years, expect to go on HRT early in life.

Question see my father went to the doc in his mid 40's and has low test levels and was put on hrt. He was never an aas user so should i say screw it and use for yrs since it might be genetic and ill probably be on hrt as well?

 

[advanced-stealth]

very good reply.

I think it's totally possible to get back to normal, bro. Coming off after being on for a long time can leave you with a condition known as ASIH (Anabolic Steroid Induced Hypogonadism). There are a couple of good HRT around that have been very successful in treating this condition. It usually involves use of C lomid/N olvadex/H CG/H MG. Look at some posts by Jenetic in the PCT - post cycle therapy - forum. He was about as suppressed as they come and he was able to recover.

I think the more important question is: will you be happy being "normal" ? Maybe normal puts all of your levels in the middle of the range. Your body flat will not respond like does while "on". If you have ASIH, coming back to mid-range would be considered a success by many. I think many bros get to this point and decide to go "on" again.

Your alternative, of course, is HRT. The benefit is the control you get. You can keep your T levels right at the top of the range as long as E is kept under control. The drawback is that it's a lifelong commitment that is often tricky to get right and keep it consistently right. I've been on HRT for over 3 years now. When it works, it fuckin' works!! When it doesn't, it is a pain in the ass. The weekly injections (1 Test and 2 HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - shots per week) are also a pain in the ass. Traveling on HRT is a huge pain in the ass. Last year I want to Canada and brought my HCG (and script for it). I didn't have any problems except constantly worrying that my HCG would get too warm and no longer work.

R1

 

[todoveritas]

Believe it or not, it has been my experience that after about 10 cycles, your nads will stay the same size no matter what you throw at them.

 

[ironclaw]

who wants to go back to normal? I say wait until your at least 30 to start, do 2 cycles a year with good PCT - post cycle therapy - for about 5 years, then become addicted and stay on year round. That's really the answer and it's what happens to 80% of the people that head down this path. Some things are just too good to give up.

you basically just read my mind bro, I don't plan on going off for a long time from now, years down the road. I'm getting ready to compete next year, and then it ON!!!!

 

[todoveritas]

There is so much truth to the above, I don't know where to begin. The rules appear to be: #1. Do NOT start until you have reached your natural genetic natty potential ; #2. Be resonable and take the long view; #3. After 35 your natural testosterone production is down so your doc will prescribe perpetually, and #4. You will look amazing well into your 40's and 50's-there is just nothing that can match that grainy aged-muscle, etched into stone look that most younger guys dream of!

 

[justchilling]

hopefully some good pct will keep every thing were it should be.

 

[ShowKidd]

i think as long as you have decent genetics and run 500 iu's of hcg ew to keep your "boys" active that it wouldn't be a problem, i read that if they stay inactive for over 16 weeks then it starts to be a problem but that is where hcg comes into play. anyone want to elaborate a bit more on that?