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Carbs required for growth??
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Mr. Sexy Man
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overhead said:
steroids are a cell volumizer, like carbs. and steroids allow for more protien synthesis
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Steroids speed up protien synthesis. Thus allowing for faster repair of exercise induced trauma, and faster adaptation to training. As far as their cell volumizing effect I would agree if we are talking about something like test or d-bol, however anything with a very low or no rate of conversion into estragen you are unlike to see this effect.
Mr. Sexy Man, your body will readily convert amino acids into muscle gylcogen, so you can keep glyogen stores someone replenished with a high protien diet, however you are very unlikely to gain bodyfat as a result of eating this large amount of protien, unlike eating large amounts of carbs. Also bear in mind that after a number of days with few carbs, any carbs you eat will immediately be used to replensih muscle glycogen, and actually you can eat a hugh amount of carbs in a short peroid of time and you will get a supercompensation effect, thus allow your muscles to hold more glycogen than normally possible, again getting no gain in bodyfat, but an extremely anabolic effect in the muscle.
Why not use Polumbo and Kaz? Who's to say that a low carb diet can't create an idea environment for someone with lesser genetics and lower or no dose of steroids? After all, there are certainly bodybuilders who use alot more steroids, hgh and insulin than polumbo who do higher carbs diets, yet have nowhere near the mass or conditioning. Dave is somewhat willing to discuss his doses, and while they are much higher than most guys would use, they are less than you would expect from a super heavy-weight in the npc. There are smaller guys using more juice. The point is, these guys were able to obtain rediculous levels of development using low carb diets. It presents at leat some evidence that low carb diets may not impede growth as much as is often believed. I mean, are you saying they would have another 50 ibs of muscle each if they had eaten alot of carbs? I find that hard to believe. "Wow Dave, you dumbass, you could be competing at 340 ibs if you just had enough sense to eat alot more rice for the last 5 years."
Mr. Sexy Man, your body will readily convert amino acids into muscle gylcogen, so you can keep glyogen stores someone replenished with a high protien diet, however you are very unlikely to gain bodyfat as a result of eating this large amount of protien, unlike eating large amounts of carbs. Also bear in mind that after a number of days with few carbs, any carbs you eat will immediately be used to replensih muscle glycogen, and actually you can eat a hugh amount of carbs in a short peroid of time and you will get a supercompensation effect, thus allow your muscles to hold more glycogen than normally possible, again getting no gain in bodyfat, but an extremely anabolic effect in the muscle.
Why not use Polumbo and Kaz? Who's to say that a low carb diet can't create an idea environment for someone with lesser genetics and lower or no dose of steroids? After all, there are certainly bodybuilders who use alot more steroids, hgh and insulin than polumbo who do higher carbs diets, yet have nowhere near the mass or conditioning. Dave is somewhat willing to discuss his doses, and while they are much higher than most guys would use, they are less than you would expect from a super heavy-weight in the npc. There are smaller guys using more juice. The point is, these guys were able to obtain rediculous levels of development using low carb diets. It presents at leat some evidence that low carb diets may not impede growth as much as is often believed. I mean, are you saying they would have another 50 ibs of muscle each if they had eaten alot of carbs? I find that hard to believe. "Wow Dave, you dumbass, you could be competing at 340 ibs if you just had enough sense to eat alot more rice for the last 5 years."
overhead
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I just order Dr. Di Pasquale book "Anabolic diet for Powerlifters". I am going to give it a shot. I am one of those people that does not have much trouble putting on fat or muscle. The bad part is I put on fat real quick. After I read it, I plan on following the diet for a couple of months to see how it works. I post up results.
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Kewl, keep us posted. I get good results using a low carb diet for bulking. At least I don't get to 15%+ bf like so many others I know.
BodyByFinaplix said:
How may carbs do you take in while bulking? and is it the same as when you`re cutting (re carbs)?
PancakeFiend
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I too have felt stronger on a low carb diet. I've been following TKD for 3 1/2 weeks, and gym performance has been greater when I take small amounts of dextrose during workouts as opposed to eating a bunch of carbs before. Before low carbing I was following a high carb high protein diet. Which didn't do jack for me in terms of performance or muscle gain. The only thing it did was expand my waist. Anyways I guess if you could follow a high calorie TKD your glycogen stores would remain adequately filled nearly all the time, maybe throw in a cheat meal every two weeks and you can get a decent low carb bulking diet out of it.
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gonelifting said:
It varies alot. On days I eat a whole jar of nat. peanut butter It might go as high as 70 grams. On days I get all of my carbs from salid, as low as 10 grams. I function quite well on 10 grams though. Its just I love peanut butter and it is an easy source of very clean calories, with a ton of monounsaturated fats. Plus a jar should supply all of the fiber and B vitamins you need for the day. Today all of my carbs are in the form of romain lettace and a little low carb olive-oil and vinegar based italian dressing. So about 10 grams. Relying on my 5 ibs of ground turkey for cals today (not the lean kind, I need the fat).
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bump... want to keep this thread going a little longer.
MeatHead57
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id say around 300 and up
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