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sh4dowf4lcon
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liftr486 said:
I am not a doctor, but IMHO, I would hit Hcg @ 500iu for about ten days. I would drop the clomid at this point. There is an article in another thread about using Nolva over clomid. Nolva instead of Clomid works for me.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=306291
WanderingClumsyFool
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Hey, lift486 I think I know somethings that might help you.
First, in my opinion it is possible that you have prostatitis or epidydimitis or even orchitis, that would be why you have pain in your testicles. That is my guess.
Next, don't do any HCG, that stuff just delays your system's recovery as much as anything else would.
Last, what about arimdex? Have you tried that? That is pretty potent at restoring your HPTA. About as potent as it gets I think.
Activity is also important, you should try to lose weight. If you have alot of lower body fat from previous cycles you will have a tough time ever getting your HPTA back in order. Lower body fat harbors high density concentrations of aromatase that will eat up your testosterone and adrenal androgens and also turn them into estrogens which will keep the LH and FSH levels down. Your LH levels are not appropriate in my nonmedical opinion, given your low testosterone levels.
First, in my opinion it is possible that you have prostatitis or epidydimitis or even orchitis, that would be why you have pain in your testicles. That is my guess.
Next, don't do any HCG, that stuff just delays your system's recovery as much as anything else would.
Last, what about arimdex? Have you tried that? That is pretty potent at restoring your HPTA. About as potent as it gets I think.
Activity is also important, you should try to lose weight. If you have alot of lower body fat from previous cycles you will have a tough time ever getting your HPTA back in order. Lower body fat harbors high density concentrations of aromatase that will eat up your testosterone and adrenal androgens and also turn them into estrogens which will keep the LH and FSH levels down. Your LH levels are not appropriate in my nonmedical opinion, given your low testosterone levels.
liftr486
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theres no more pain in my balls, it stopped two days ago...im not goin to do ne more hcg b/c of the reason listed above, but i am still doin clomid at 50mg/ day...is that alright? i dun think the arimidex would help me since my estrogen levels are w/i range, plus i dun wanna have limp dick from it, its bad enough w/o it... my doc said this in his report "I am pleased with the results of his tests. His estraidol is now unmeasurable, his blood lipid profile has improved, and his FSH and LH are measurable. These pituitary hormones will stimulate his testicles and result in both an increase in size as well as an increase in the testosterone level" he jus wants me to wait everything out and c wat happens...do u think that w/ time my hard-ons and sex drive will come back...wat can i do
ps...i spoke to the doc re: the prolactin/progesterone and he said that he had checked it around 2 mos post cycle and everything was in range re: that, but he is still goin to check again in my blood test that was taken a few days ago.
ps...i spoke to the doc re: the prolactin/progesterone and he said that he had checked it around 2 mos post cycle and everything was in range re: that, but he is still goin to check again in my blood test that was taken a few days ago.
Damn, just listen to your doctor...
It sounds like he's checked just about everything possible and it all looks good except for the low T levels. From here on out, it's going to just take time. You don't want to do HCG cause that will just supress LH again. Your LH and FSH levels are in the normal range, so no need for more clomid in that case. Clomid has a tendency to mess with a lot of guys libido anyhow, so continuing that could supress your libido even when T levels get back up there. Just wait it out, I know it sounds impossible but what from what the Doc is saying you are heading in the right direction the hard part is already behind you.
It sounds like he's checked just about everything possible and it all looks good except for the low T levels. From here on out, it's going to just take time. You don't want to do HCG cause that will just supress LH again. Your LH and FSH levels are in the normal range, so no need for more clomid in that case. Clomid has a tendency to mess with a lot of guys libido anyhow, so continuing that could supress your libido even when T levels get back up there. Just wait it out, I know it sounds impossible but what from what the Doc is saying you are heading in the right direction the hard part is already behind you.
WanderingClumsyFool
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liftr486,
What is your doctor talking about your estradiol levels are umeasureable? I assume the value is being read in pg/ml? Maybea I am wrong? All it says in what you wrote is that your estradiol levels are below 32pg/ml if I am correct. Unmeasureable means 0pg/ml. Why does it just say >32pg/ml? Why don't you have the actual number? Is it a very crude lab test they are using or something. You need to have the actual number. It is important. In my opinion if the estradiol is above 10pg/ml arimidex will help alot.
What is your doctor talking about your estradiol levels are umeasureable? I assume the value is being read in pg/ml? Maybea I am wrong? All it says in what you wrote is that your estradiol levels are below 32pg/ml if I am correct. Unmeasureable means 0pg/ml. Why does it just say >32pg/ml? Why don't you have the actual number? Is it a very crude lab test they are using or something. You need to have the actual number. It is important. In my opinion if the estradiol is above 10pg/ml arimidex will help alot.
WanderingClumsyFool
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Another point is that your doctor is, in my opinion, using a lab with an incorrect "normal" reference range for testosterone. The reference range I like is 300-1200ng/dl. Many labs have adjusted this reference range as of late, I don't know why. A few years back it was always 300-1200ng/dl.
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