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[Silent Method]

All in all, good post Nelson.

Of course, if we all got together in person we'd probably get along great. But in this enviorment, it's all about reactions.

This is something I've said a lot on this forum. If you have an interest in physiology, athletics, and nutrition (as well as many other subjects) and like to discuss them, I gurantee you that you would enjoy sitting down face to face with me to do so.



In regard to your complaints:

"This all reminds me of one of my favorite quotes from Mark Twain. He said: "If you make people think you're making them think, they'll love you. But if you REALLY make them think, they'll dispise you."

Truer words have never been spoken and this board personifies the sentiment."

I agree. You must understand, however, that this cuts both ways. You are not immune to this Nelson. All of us think we are the center of the universe and we react adversly when our little world is shook. Subjectivly, you may be missing the fact that you are often as guilty of this as anyone of us here.





"Now, I on the other hand, am not interested in regurgitating inforation or telling people what they want to hear. My gig is to challange conventional thought and to offer efficaceous alternatives."

This is great. This is what drives progress. However, in making this your "gig" you are predisposing yourself to look for predominant theory to be wrong as opposed to pure truth.

You must understand that sometimes you will be wrong. Take this whole high GI thing. I know you still do not agree with me, but lets look at it from the "challanging conventional thought" point of view.

Your assertion is not just a challange to current theory - it is a retreat to old and outdated conventional thought. It is right out of the outdated textbooks that were tossed out in the 1980's. Your assertion is not cutting through the crap - it's a move backwards.

The "conventional thought" you are challanging in this case, and some other cases as well, is actually the well established and supported findings of those cutting edge researchers who challanged conventional thought before you.





"This brings us to the "prove it" mentality on these boards."
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"As far as my failure to "explain" things. I think that's just a low blow that has become a cliche'. I explain plenty.

Again, this is your subjective observation of yourself. I do not ask for studies for everything - but I do seek references for that which defies science or well established principles. It would be foolish not to.

In addition, I do not believe you "explain plenty" in many occasions. I believe you re-state often. No bashing. This is what I percieve through my observation on this forum.




Perhaps some day we will meet. When we do, BE READY! I WILL challange you on certain issues! You will find that I will also be perfectly willing to listen and, no doubt, there will be much I can learn. What you must understand is that there is plenty you can learn from me as well.






Fukkenshredded, just pulled up your post in my "preview reply." Go back and check out my first post in this thread on page 1. What do you think of that recomendation?

 

[Citruscide]

If Nelson actually took the time to speak with Fonz over the phone he would find that Fonz is not some arrogant Mr."Know it all", but rather a very nice and helpful guy. Fonz has helped countless people over the years here for fun and for free.

You have Fonz's phone number? You lucky dog.

C-ditty

 

[Fonz]

Well, I was through with tis thread, but this post was so articulate I had to respond.

I agree weth everything you say. The only contention would be with the perspective. And this is impossible for people to determine since I don't expect anyone to go through every post and analyze what transpired, so I can only give my perception.

I may make bold statements. I may even sound arrogent in doing so, But I NEVER -- NEVER attack another person, unless they have total disregard for any civility in the way they respond to me. Then, I admit, the gloves come off. I'm only human. And I'm in a precarious situation since many of my battles are against mods and most members are not going to get behind someone is at odds with the mods. There have been a few more ballsy individuals who have spoken up, and I thank them. But most will understandably sit back
and observe. And naturally, there will always be the guy who likes to get a cheap shot in when a man is down. It goes with the territory. Of course, if we all got together in person we'd probably get along great. But in this enviorment, it's all about reactions.

I believe you, like most members are using the thinking, "where there's smoke, there's fire." If most of Nelsons threads turn into flamefests, or if most threads involving Nelson are flamefests, it therefore must be Nelson's fault. But I maintain it is peoples reaction to me and the allowence -- dare I say the ENCOURAGEMENT of a couple of mods that allow it to be so. A good example is Juice's Clomid thread. All I said was that it would be great if we could discuss this without the negitivity, AND WITHOUT MAKING ANOTHER POST, there were already 4 or 5 antagonistic statements toward me. What does that tell you?

This all reminds me of one of my favorite quotes from Mark Twain. He said: "If you make people think you're making them think, they'll love you. But if you REALLY make them think, they'll dispise you."

Truer words have never been spoken and this board personifies the sentiment.

Case in point.

Fonz recently cut and pasted some literature from a supplement website, and presented it as an original idea. EVERYONE LOVED IT! Why? Because they didn't have to think. It was free useful information. Who cares if it's taken from somewher else? Give me my piece.

Now, I on the other hand, am not interested in regurgitating inforation or telling people what they want to hear. My gig is to challange conventional thought and to offer efficaceous alternatives. It comes with a price. To some, this is much appreciated. But to others, they despise it. They resent it. They reject it. Why? Because it forces them to think.

This brings us to the "prove it" mentality on these boards. Everyone wants to see studies. Well, a study is just a pre-existing notion. If all we did was accept pre-existing notions we'd all be using leeches and mercury to treat diseases. We must think progressively if we are to evolve. But most people like to stay right where they are. Oh sure, they want to THINK they're progressive. But they want their progress along with comfort. Sometimes you have to shatter the old to bring on the new.

As far as my failure to "explain" things. I think that's just a low blow that has become a cliche'. I explain plenty. But when explanations becomes demands, and then dares, and then antagonism, and then personal attacks, I refuse. And suddenly all the help I've provided is meanlingless. What have you done for me lately.

This is what upsets me. Not the fact that the attacks are against me. Who cares? What's psetting to me is when people use anger and hatred to diminish another human being. No one who read this thread can honestly say that Fonz's remarks were beneath the acceptable level for even the most uncooth individual. But the thread is about me. It's my fault. Citueside made claims that he knew weren't true. He even wrote to me to say that he did so because "others" did so. That would never hold up in a court of law, and Citrue is a lawyer. But he made that decision ayway. But it's about me. So it's okay.

Look, I'm no genius, but I know that everyone and anyone in the history of the world who had a new way of looking at things has been rejected by some people. Vince Gironda was loathed by a lot of people. But he was right. Take your pick -- Socrates, Pasteur, Van Gogh, Stravinsky...all rejected. They were the ones who thought differently. They were the "trouble makers." I wonder how long they'd last on the message boards.

I'm not in the catogory of these men. I'm just a writer who loves bodybuilding and loves sharing new ideas. But I'm also a guy who grew up in the 60's in Brooklyn New York. And where I come from, you don't take shit. You stick up for yourself. Somebody pushes, you push back harder. I'm sorry if it offends anyone. But that's me.

This ordeal has been draining. And it once again has made me realize that I'm spending too much time where I'm not wanted. Time for a little distance. I have other things I can do, need to do, should do. I just love bodybuilding so much and love it when someone gets a kick out of my work. It's addicting. But there are certain realities I must face.

Thank you for hanging in there, reading this post. But I know anything that is extracted from it will be short lived and within a day or two everyone fogets and goes back to seeking easy answers and searching for other people who will confirm their current beliefs. But that's the way of the world, isnt it?

"Fonz recently cut and pasted some literature from a supplement website, and presented it as an original idea. EVERYONE LOVED IT! Why? Because they didn't have to think. It was free useful information. Who cares if it's taken from somewher else? Give me my piece".


Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall....seriously.

#1 People want things simplified so that they will be able to understand them better. I can put up posts with such huge amount of scientific jargon that very few people would understand them.

What excatly is the point of that?

Absolutely none.

This board is about EQUAL sharing of information. Not just between a select few with the necessary educational backgrounds.

If I see an explanation to ANY supplement that I deem to be concise, precise, and easy to understand AT ANY SITE I will use it. Its THAT simple. I'd rather everybody understand me than just a few dozen people.

And once again, you missed the ENTIRE point of my cholesterol post.

My post was aimed at providing REAL LIFE evidence of the effects of policosanol through a 2-month period involving 2 separate blood tests.

Its one thing to read...."This does this and that....blah, blah. blah"....from whatever site. And its another thing entirely to provide real-life evidence that supports the claims being made by those sites.

That little post right there Nelson took me 4 months to research. Yes, 4 entire months.

And you have the gall to call me a "cut&paste" guy?

LMFAO

You're simply out-classed by several people on here half your age, and thats what you can't stand. Just don't bother typing anymore because everything that comes from your keyboard I consider a cyber toxic event.

Fonz

 

[Juice Authority]

You're simply out-classed by several people on here half your age, and thats what you can't stand. Just don't bother typing anymore because everything that comes from your keyboard I consider a cyber toxic event.

Fonz

That was a good one. 1 point for Fonz.

 

[Juice Authority]

You have Fonz's phone number? You lucky dog.

C-ditty

I'd like to chat with you sometime too.

 

[The_Eviscerator]

Can't we all just get along? Otherwise I am giving this guy full permission to go Hulkamaniac wild on your asses!

 

[Silent Method]

Can't we all just get along? Otherwise I am giving this guy full permission to go Hulkamaniac wild on your asses!

What kind of cycle is that dude on?!?!

 

[The_Eviscerator]

What kind of cycle is that dude on?!?!

Well, clearly he isn't taking in a high GI drink post work-out.

 

[jubei]

Eviscerator, looking stacked what are your current stats?

 

[The_Eviscerator]

Eviscerator, looking stacked what are your current stats?

5' 10" (never changes), 215 lbs... 7-8%BF.

One and a half months drug free and holding steady... I owe it all to Cell Tech.