Being all natural is getting tougher and tougher.

[Debaser]

As an obsessive simpsons freak, I can field this one.

Homer: "Ahh, not a bear in sight. The bear patrol must be working like a charm."

Lisa: "That's specious reasoning, dad."

"Thank you, honey."

"Why by your logic I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away."

"Oooh how does it work?"

"It doesn't work!"

"Uh-huh."

"It's just a stupid rock!"

"Uh-huh."

"But I don't see any tigers around, do you?"

"...Lisa, I'd like to BUY your rock."



You want to know what's really sad? I didn't try and find the script for that exchange, yet I would be willing to bet that it's verbatim. I can do it with Family Guy too. Name a quote and I could probably recite the entire episode.

 

[needsize]

good one debaser, i can do the same thing with the simpsons. My wife and I watch it 4-6 times every day, damn, thats a sad commentary on how much spare time I have

 

[collegiateLifter]

That's fair enough, bro.

Probably just the way I interpreted the post. People can interpret things differently.

I just hate the way the media plays to the public, ya know?
Like take Lyle Alzado. The media will report:

"He died of brain cancer, and he took steroids."

Both statements are true, but are not related to each other. However, the way it is presented, most people will interpet that as he died from brain cancer as a result of taking steroids. I hate that shit......

In the statistics field, thats data snooping in it's worst form. When you data snoop you tend to get info that is worth marginally more than garbage.

 

[RADAR]

I was chatting w/ my bud who is my age 33/34. He has competed numerous times in various wieght classes and has been using AS for years. We were just chatting about routines and nutrition when the topic of injuries came up. What was fascinating to me is that during the 15 years we had both been training my friend had very few injuries, aches, pains etc.

He was congratulating me on my persistance in training without juice for so long. But, he went on to ask a question that I never really asked myself. " Have you made any gains in the last few years" It took me a while to realize that the answer was, " Not all that much". Yet, my training volume has increased, wieght has increased, diet is far better. Is it father time knocking on my door.

Many of you will say 33 is very young, and I agree. But...have I maxed my body naturally?? Am I in a mode of maintaining?

My friend explained that at our age it becomes an uphill battle because you are, essentially, fighting gravity. He on the other hand has made great gains at his age using AS with very little injury. His joints feel great, hes lean and in general, feels like an 18 year old.

I must admit, I am jealous, not so much of his build but of his feeling of youth again. I sent him a picture of myself, he has not seen me in 10 years by the way, and he almost died when he saw my body. He said that with just alittle help, I could compete. This was very shocking to me because I always trained with those that were ALL natural. I actually felt a sense of well being hearing this from him, a competitor, one that has grown both naturally and w/ anabolics.

I guess its the old age battle of looking for the fountain of youth. I am sure that when I go to train w/ FranK Zane in feb he will enlighten me on what the age process means from a former Mr Olympia.

Anyway, for all of you that have trained naturally for so many years I applaud you. I am now in a self battle of going to the other side. I can honestly say that I have tried it all, in every form. Maybe now its time for a little help. Time will tell

Well said brother!!! I just crossed over this spring at the age of 52, took a long hard look at myself and like you said-i was eating more & training more but looked like crap!
Know what? I don't regret it one bit-my biggest regret is that i didn't start sooner!

RADAR

 

[guldukat]

Debaser, Needsize,

Actually, I rather like that

I'm only sorry I've missed so many recent Simpsons episodes, and that it took me 'til last year to watch The Family Guy!

 

[needsize]

best Homer quote ever
"I wish God were alive to see this"

 

[punch]

Thanks for all the replies bros! Interestingly, I had a chat w/ my best friend who competed naturally in his early 20's. He brought up a valid point. I told him of this turmoil I was facing and he said this.....

With all the training I have done naturally for so many years, perhaps it was time too show the fruits of my labor....In other words, COMPETE. He said to find a pure, all natural contest and compete against those who have trained similar to you, drug free. He went on to say that then, and only then, will you see how you stack up. When he competed and saw many his age who were far bigger, leaner than him, it gave him a new and different motivation. He realized that there were clearly things he may have not done or things he could change to better himself naturally. The feeling he got being on stage was a sensation that could not be described. He said once you cross over, you will never be able to make the claim that your all natural. That was hard to swallow for me.

However. When he competed naturally he was 22, I am now 33. This difference in age is night and day.

I may very well compete naturally, once just to get the experience and test my true will and passion. I guess what I am going through is no different than what some of you have and are experiencing. Thank you all for sharing your beliefs and comments. We are a small knit community and I am glad to be a part of it. Peace.

 

[french tickler]

needsize... what exactly are ya taking, how much are you taking and how much does it cost??? i'm intersted in finding out...
thx in advance

 

[needsize]

needsize... what exactly are ya taking, how much are you taking and how much does it cost??? i'm intersted in finding out...
thx in advance

My current cycle is
enth 800mg a week
deca 500mg a week
eq 500mg a week
I'm pretty experienced so thats not a beginners cycle, but still lower than most of the guys in the anabolic forum that are 1/2 my size
prices arent bad, you are looking for a few hundred $ for a cycle

 

[goofball]

Debaser

Whaddya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack-off a guy?

Cuz I'm married.