Bad to go deeper than 90* on squats?

[Tweakle]

Did I just see 'weider' referenced? Surely no-one would be dumb enough to post about that on this board.. oh wait, yes, yes they would.

of course pros don't do breathing squats, quit being so fucking silly.. they use the leg press and hack squats. breathing squats are some old school 1950's stuff, the last 'pro' to do them was probably steve reeves

 

[anthrax]

Ass to the grass
and preferably bare feet or with PL shoes

 

[superchicken1]

Read the article in Pure Power Magazine volume 2 no 6. Available on line as a PDF file at purePowerMag.com.

and while much debated... squatting past parallel is better for your knees that stopping at parallel.

SuperChicken1

 

[hardrock]

My old boss studied Kinesiology(sp). He always told me going below 90 degrees is biomechanically not good for the knees.

Makes sense to me.

 

[anthrax]

My old boss studied Kinesiology(sp). He always told me going below 90 degrees is biomechanically not good for the knees.

Makes sense to me.

It's time to change kinesiologist

A lot of people (Africa/Asia) like Afghans seat naturally with their hams on their calves

 

[Shepherd4]

I've failed in my attempt to master the ATF Hindu squat.

I tried to back way off on the weight at the start of my 2nd 5 x 5 run through, but I think pride/ego got the best of me and I upped the weights too fast (especially since I kind of wanted to build off my weights from my 1st run through).

Are we talking about the same thing? Hindu squats have been popularized by Matt Furey and the like in recent years, and are a WEIGHTLESS calisthenic exercise (that is, just bodyweight) in which you rock forward onto your toes as you squat down. ATF squatting (and for that matter 5x5) is premised on a standard back squat with weight, during which your heels NEVER come off the ground. Frankly, I think the hindu squat creates significantly greater shearing forces on the knees than a regular squat -- with weight, you could really mess yourself up.

Root your heels to the center of the earth. If you have to elevate them on 10lb plates, that's actually fine -- it'll raise your heels about as much as a good pair of O-lifting shoes. Practice finding depth by squatting (weightless) in a squat rack and holding on to the sides of the rack for support. Wallow in that bottom position for a while. Squatting "on your haunches" is a perfectly natural position -- watching my 17 month old baby girl for 5 minutes tells me that. You just have to get used to it again.

mpc

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"Think of Tiger Woods out there hitting a bucket of balls. He's not swinging the 5-iron to get stronger -- he's swinging it to hone the groove. Hone the groove."

 

[blut wump]

Hindu squats are what many societies do until they invent chairs and the money to buy them and many nomads do regardless. Pretty much as you describe but without any rocking; just ATF, often with the arms draped over the knees.

As part of my squats warmups I like to hold the position at the bottom with just the bar and a plate at each end to stretch and to feel whether my back or knees are planning to give me any grief. It's quite comfy.

 

[Jim Ouini]

Are we talking about the same thing? Hindu squats have been popularized by Matt Furey and the like in recent years, and are a WEIGHTLESS calisthenic exercise (that is, just bodyweight) in which you rock forward onto your toes as you squat down. ATF squatting (and for that matter 5x5) is premised on a standard back squat with weight, during which your heels NEVER come off the ground. Frankly, I think the hindu squat creates significantly greater shearing forces on the knees than a regular squat -- with weight, you could really mess yourself up.

Root your heels to the center of the earth. If you have to elevate them on 10lb plates, that's actually fine -- it'll raise your heels about as much as a good pair of O-lifting shoes. Practice finding depth by squatting (weightless) in a squat rack and holding on to the sides of the rack for support. Wallow in that bottom position for a while. Squatting "on your haunches" is a perfectly natural position -- watching my 17 month old baby girl for 5 minutes tells me that. You just have to get used to it again.

mpc

My mistake - I thought Hindu just referred to the position of your hams being completely slapped on your calves.

Thanks for the advice, I currently do that 'sit on your haunches and wallow' thing in the squat rack - of course as the weight gets heavier somehow my depth starts creeping up

To paraphrase an old saying 'a 100 dollar warmup and a 10 cent squat'

Hindu squats are what many societies do until they invent chairs and the money to buy them and many nomads do regardless. Pretty much as you describe but without any rocking; just ATF, often with the arms draped over the knees.

Yeah I also read that the inventor of the toilet really messed up our GI by having the seat so high, or something like that.

 

[blut wump]

My mistake - I thought Hindu just referred to the position of your hams being completely slapped on your calves.

Thanks for the advice, I currently do that 'sit on your haunches and wallow' thing in the squat rack - of course as the weight gets heavier somehow my depth starts creeping up



Yeah I also read that the inventor of the toilet really messed up our GI by having the seat so high, or something like that.

Isn't that just the shits?

 

[Shepherd4]

Thanks for the advice, I currently do that 'sit on your haunches and wallow' thing in the squat rack - of course as the weight gets heavier somehow my depth starts creeping up

At lighter (read: warmup weights) make sure you are "unlocking" your hips at the bottom of the squat. Essentially, it's the concept of relaxing your hips to allow yourself to sink into the bottom position. You might benefit from doing all of your warmup sets as pause squats to increase your comfort level in the bottom position.

mpc