Bad to go deeper than 90* on squats?

[HP_816]

doing deep squats actually help my knees. i noticed that when i stopped working out for a few months my knees were still fine but i'd notice more cracking.

sometimes i like to do my squats with a 2 second pause at the bottom, they're intense as hell and require a complete explosion.

 

[Tweakle]

going deep actually increases the weight I lift, plus it makes for a smoother descent as I'm not worrying about stopping at an arbitary point, I just go as low as my knees allow me to.

 

[go2failure]

My knees feel better now more than ever. I do ATF squats and will never go back to doing them parallel... Yeah I did much more weight parallel, but I'm seeing better quad development now than before. I'm also catching back up to where I was when doing them parallel.

 

[Tom Treutlein]

Oh my god, I didn't bother reading this post originally, because I knew the answer would be covered by other experienced members, but I was bored and decided to drop in, when I read -

"allout of pro bb have found that they can expand there chest cavidy by 3-5 inches by doing sqauts as low as they can go and doing a breathing teckneek.to lazzy to pull out the book but its in joe weiders bb basics."

Why are people like this still living? My lord, I wish they would fucking exterminate themselves already. The sheer idiocy of this douche bag is asinine. How can it be, that the world is made up of people like this? If I were a god...

 

[Guinness5.0]

Oh my god, I didn't bother reading this post originally, because I knew the answer would be covered by other experienced members, but I was bored and decided to drop in, when I read -

"allout of pro bb have found that they can expand there chest cavidy by 3-5 inches by doing sqauts as low as they can go and doing a breathing teckneek.to lazzy to pull out the book but its in joe weiders bb basics."

Why are people like this still living? My lord, I wish they would fucking exterminate themselves already. The sheer idiocy of this douche bag is asinine. How can it be, that the world is made up of people like this? If I were a god...

..................

 

[Jim Ouini]

I've failed in my attempt to master the ATF Hindu squat.

I tried to back way off on the weight at the start of my 2nd 5 x 5 run through, but I think pride/ego got the best of me and I upped the weights too fast (especially since I kind of wanted to build off my weights from my 1st run through).

Anyway, I guess I'm in the minority here when I say I find ATF a lot harder to do than just to parallel. And I don't know if it's a coincidence but my knee started giving me some pain.

I've tried different stances, toe angles, and so forth to no avail. Maybe I just need to really really back off on the weight. And my ankle/calf flexibility needs to be improved (the fact I wear flat soled shoes probably doesn't help either).

I may even have to *gulp* use some 10lb plates under the heels.

 

[blut wump]

Everything I've read contra-indicates plates under the heels. It's hard for me to comment as I've always had good ankle flexibility.

I'd suggest biting the bullet and dropping as much weight as needed to try it, at least for a while. It's a crushing blow to the ego to be benching way more than you can squat but in six months time you'll hardly even remember it. If it helps, take a good laugh at yourself first then you can ignore any thoughts of others laughing.

One of the things I realy like about ATF and box squats is that you're no longer left wondering whether you went low enough or even whether you went as low as last time. It's a simple make or fail with excellent carry-over to a parallel squat. If it's good enough for Joe Weider, how can you resist?

 

[Jim Ouini]

Everything I've read contra-indicates plates under the heels. It's hard for me to comment as I've always had good ankle flexibility.?

Well I was gonna try the 10lb, 5lb, 2.5lb progression until eventually I could get down. I've had some bad right ankle sprains from my sports competition days (it's permanantly swollen) that *may* be causing some compromised movement. /excuse

I'd suggest biting the bullet and dropping as much weight as needed to try it, at least for a while. It's a crushing blow to the ego to be benching way more than you can squat but in six months time you'll hardly even remember it. If it helps, take a good laugh at yourself first then you can ignore any thoughts of others laughing.

I was afraid that was gonna be the answer ...in the back of my mind I knew it was gonna come to that. I guess I was afraid of stalling some of my overall progress by going from a 365 parallel squat on my first 5 x 5 run through to a 135 ATF squat on my 2nd...

One of the things I realy like about ATF and box squats is that you're no longer left wondering whether you went low enough or even whether you went as low as last time. It's a simple make or fail with excellent carry-over to a parallel squat. If it's good enough for Joe Weider, how can you resist?

Weider Principle #3054?

 

[blut wump]

I was afraid that was gonna be the answer ...in the back of my mind I knew it was gonna come to that. I guess I was afraid of stalling some of my overall progress by going from a 365 parallel squat on my first 5 x 5 run through to a 135 ATF squat on my 2nd...

That was probably one of the reasons I took up box squats, besides wanting to try them for an age. It left me with something near to parallel that I could get ego-saving numbers on. I've dropped those too for the next couple of weeks. I try to remember that it's the progress week to week which indicates improvement and development not the actual numbers themselves. (if that makes any sense)

In another two or three weeks I might try a half-squat and see how it has all hung together.

 

[Jim Ouini]

Speaking of box squats, I may have started on too low a box. My stance wasn't ultra-wide, either. Just wide.

I could *feel* my knees adducting on the ascent, even though it didn't look like it according to my spotter since I asked him specifically to look for it, and I wonder if ironcially it caused me some knee pain.

In effect compensating somehow for weak glutes/hams to get the weight up (again, probably too ambitious with the weights).

I thought I was doing all the right things - sitting back, relaxing hip flexors and so forth.

I really need to learn patience, sometimes I put the cart before the horse so to speak.