adderol

[Watson]

There is a huge difference between mental and physical addiction. I have a very addictive personallity and adderall has never been a problem. I also can't see cocain being physically addictive. I think it's more of the high leaving that makes you want to do another line, not that you can't physically function while not on the stuff. I smoked for years and quit cold turkey. It's almost like I was addicted to the motion and having something to do rather than the actual nicotine. The only time I have felt physical addiction is when I had to get some professional help to overcome an addiction to vicodin. I took it for months when I had broken my hand and it took me a while to figure out what the hell was wrong with me. I literally couldn't do anything without them. I had absolutely no energy. Then if I even took a quarter of a pill I was like superman for half an hour. Physical addiction is some scary shit. I've had a lot of friends that have literally thrown thier lives away because of painkillers and meth.

 

[csobel]

Thanks for the k.

"RE: It is not addictive, I am in the pharmaceutical business and sell a drug that is a form of ritalin. It has a short half life and is out in less than a day no problems with coming off of it"

Whereas methamphetamine and amphetamine are similar in the fact that they both contain the amphetamine backbone, methamphetamine is made from adding a methyl group to the amine in amphetamine, thus altering its potency, duration, etc. Its like esterfication; think test e vs. test prop.
Ritalin is methylphenidate, which is a more complex molecule and DOES NOT contain the amphetamine backbone. It has another benzine ring in its structure as well as some other modifications; C14 H19 NO2. IT IS, however, physically addictive, in the way that 1) the body develops tolerance 2) the drug creates a deficit of the neurotransmitters seratonin, dopamine and norepinephrine which it can only overcome with time.

The term "physically addictive" can be defined many ways, and we see many degrees of physical addiction in ALL drugs. Nicotine and Heroin withdrawls are simply more pronounced due to the larger deficit and short half lifes than are methylphenidate withdrawls. On a molecular level, however, the body is going through a similar process. Even TCH is physically addictive, but due to the fact that TCH is fat soluble and remains in the system for so long, the withdrawls are insignificant even with heavy users.

Hope this helps clarify things

 

[androjunkie]

There is a huge difference between mental and physical addiction. I have a very addictive personallity and adderall has never been a problem. I also can't see cocain being physically addictive. I think it's more of the high leaving that makes you want to do another line, not that you can't physically function while not on the stuff. I smoked for years and quit cold turkey. It's almost like I was addicted to the motion and having something to do rather than the actual nicotine. The only time I have felt physical addiction is when I had to get some professional help to overcome an addiction to vicodin. I took it for months when I had broken my hand and it took me a while to figure out what the hell was wrong with me. I literally couldn't do anything without them. I had absolutely no energy. Then if I even took a quarter of a pill I was like superman for half an hour. Physical addiction is some scary shit. I've had a lot of friends that have literally thrown thier lives away because of painkillers and meth.

The addiction is phsychological to amphetamines. Although, if you've ever seen a long term meth addict come down, they don't function well for about a week, so there is some physical side effects from stopping, but mostly from the lack of sleep and nutrition. The other long term side effect seen in amphetamine addicts is schizophrenia and paranoia. Most addicts in recovery from meth are prescribed anti-depressants when they clean up, most stay on them forever depending on how long their run was with meth. All of what I said is from long term addiction though, using it on a short term basis shouldn't cause much of a problem as long as you stay very hydrated, and make sure you keep eating.

 

[androjunkie]

It is not addictive, I am in the pharmaceutical business and sell a drug that is a form of ritalin. It has a short half life and is out in less than a day no problems with coming off of it

Or so the company tells you. Trust me, I have extensive knowledge of pharmaceuticals and ritalin IS addictive, mentally. In patients with real ADHD not ADD, ritalin and others aren't addictive because they have the opposite effect on that person. Instead of speeding them up they slow them down so that they can concentrate on one thing, instead of having a thousand thoughts wizzing through their brain at once. Hell, even strong narcotics such as morphine and fentanyl aren't addictive as long as the patient being prescribed them IS in fact experiencing severe pain. People get hooked on narcotics when they use them for slight to moderate pain, because when you do that, you tend to get the "high" from them, the cause being that you aren't concentrating on the pain, you are feeling the euphoric effects of the painkillers. Before anyone flames me, I'm NOT saying that if you take amphetamines YOU WILL GET ADDICTED, there are hundreds of thousands of people that take them every day, and can discontinue them with no ill effects. My 2 cents.

 

[csobel]

Amphetamines and derrivatives thereof are both psychologically and physiologically addictive. We know of its physiologically addictive properties from a biochemical standpoint. This is simply fact. Yes you are right that a long term meth addict will experience withdrawls unlike eg. opiates. Opiates produce a DIFFERENT kind of physical addiction than do amphetamines, but physical addiction is defined as the body's inability to produce certain neurotransmitters at a level which it could normally without drug x thereby making both classes of drugs "physically addictive"

There is a popular definition of physically addictive these days that has become too far removed from the molecular science of what is actually going on.

 

[wesley90]

Well is there any evidence that it helps burn fat?

 

[*MissFit*]

Adderol and ridalin a side effect if you speak to any doctor is decrease in appetite and it increase your ability to concentrate.. not sure why it would be considered a fat burner but i know it does affect ones weight

Well is there any evidence that it helps burn fat?

 

[Tux]

Yes, adderall and ritalin are stimulants and anorectic agents, they'll decrease appetite and increase energy expenditure, both of which will help with fat loss. And K to you, csobel, I was getting pissed off at the idiots who think that amphetamines aren't physically addictive. Nicotine is physically addictive too. Just b/c you stopped cold turkey doesn't mean you didn't suffer withdrawals or that you weren't physically addicted, you just might not have noticed it. I went through painkiller withdrawal after being on them for a broken tailbone, it sucked but I was better in 2 days b/c I wasn't on them long. I never used ritalin long enough to experience physical addiction but believe me, drugs like that are schedule II for a reason.

 

[UA_Iron]

adderall...the sustanon of amphetamines.

I wouldnt rely on it for weight loss. I know I fiend it when I have some, and I've hit up my friends for it before.

I think the propensity for addiction is high, despite what pharmecutical interests will tell you.

Diet is ultimately what everything should be based on.

 

[*MissFit*]

I agree.. and think ppl should only take it if they really have a need...meaning suffer from something one of these is presribed for.. ADD ADHD.. etc

adderall...the sustanon of amphetamines.

I wouldnt rely on it for weight loss. I know I fiend it when I have some, and I've hit up my friends for it before.

I think the propensity for addiction is high, despite what pharmecutical interests will tell you.

Diet is ultimately what everything should be based on.