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10mg ED 60 days Dbol only cycle questions

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jdbaker82

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Ok so first I 110% realize I would be much smarter and would not be wasting money if I ran Test-E with my Dbol for my first steroid cycle so please don't bother re-iterating this point.

I want to try this cycle that I have read some positive things about but first I have a couple questions regarding it.

1.) Will I definately need a PCT running only 10mg dbol/60 days? Or is this different person to person?

2.) Should I still take .25mg of Arimidex EoD to help with the water balloning with such a small dose of dbol or will this not be necessary?

3.) Should I expect to put on extra BF% with a cycle like this or can I keep it where it is or possible even lose BF?

4.) Is it ok to use creatine while on this cycle?

5.) Is taking only 10mg/Dbol a day just as hard on your liver as say 50mg day?

Stats are 27 years old, 15% BF, 5'9", been working out and eating right for approx a year was around 30% BF when I started.


Thanks in advance if you can answer any of these questions! and again please don't tell me how this is a waste of time and money or ask me why I am being a pu$SY and why don't i just inject!

P.S Yes I have spent several hours searching google for these answers but I cannot find anything regarding the questions with the 10mg ED Dbol/60 days cycle since this seems to be a not so popular cycle.
 
Bad cycle but youve made your mind.

1. Yes
2. If you feel like you are bloating too much then yes
3. that depends on your diet
4. yes, but that will add even more water to your body
5. no, 10mg ed is NOT as harsh as 50mg ed, if you are worried, take liver support pill or milk thistle
 
I Perfer longer lower dosages,but everyone has their opinion,My Bench on a Dbol cycle went from 225 to over 305 this was running the pyramid system .


Get some Adex for Bloat and some Milk thistle. Drink lots of water and 2 grams of protein for every pound of bodyweight.
You will be amazed at the transformation.


Adex can be purchased from our sponsor Eclenbuterol along with PCT.As always don't skimp on price get the real stuff Eclen is the way to go.

RADAR
 
i dont like it either,, but,, i would not use the creatine, drink water and lots of it def. do a good pct... take a liver supp...have adex on hand in case you start to bloat.... KEEP AN EYE ON BLOOD PRESSURE should be ok with such a low dose but some myself included bloat and bp goes high on even 10-20 mgs of dbol.. i would also try to split dose up morn and eve.. buy a pill cutter from rite aid if you need too..\
 
littleb said:
i dont like it either,, but,, i would not use the creatine, drink water and lots of it def. do a good pct... take a liver supp...have adex on hand in case you start to bloat.... KEEP AN EYE ON BLOOD PRESSURE should be ok with such a low dose but some myself included bloat and bp goes high on even 10-20 mgs of dbol.. i would also try to split dose up morn and eve.. buy a pill cutter from rite aid if you need too..\
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Thanks everyone for their advice and comments first off. Regarding this I was planning on taking all 10mg of dbol in the morning or around noon an hour or two before working out is this a bad idea? You really think I should split 5mg morning and 5mg evening?
 
I think taking 10mg of dbol/day is the dumbest thing I ever heard BECAUSE your bodys(a normal male) natural androgen "activity" is equal to 10mg of dbol/day. All your doing is shutting off your bodys production to keep it the same.
 
1.) Definately: No. I didn't need it.

2.) No need for A-dex

3.) It's all in your diet.

4.) Of course it's ok. You won't blow up like a baloon on 10mg.

5.) 50mg is "harder" on your liver.

Note: 10mg is a pretty nice cycle, better that people seem to think. I've used it myself, but not as a first cycle. I know people who used it as a first cycle with success. The dbol will probably effect protein synt. speed up your recovery.
 
10mg to me is pointless. I struggle to notice much difference with 20mg either. I ran a dbol only cycle when i first started and I ran 50mg a day with milk thistle for 4 weeks. I would not run longer than 6 weeks with an oral at this amount. Jump on the test wagon. The first shot is always the worst just because you dont know what to expect. Get a friend to do it of something but after the first shot it gets easier cause you know what to expect each time. This you can then run for longer time like 12 weeks and has very little stress to your liver.
 
I think everybody is different, but I have experimented with myself. 10mg a day is awesome. Will it give the results of a "cycle"? NO. 10 mg is not even technically a cycle. However, 10 mg, in my experience, improves overall workout performance, energy, strength, mass. Ove a long period of time, results are visible, with no bad side effects. No PCT required. I have kept the gains from that experiement, it requires harder work at the gym, but it does the job.
 
I actually just found this thread on another forum. I may just work a 10 week/15mg M-F w/weekends off. I guess my only question would be should I use .25mg of Arimidex anywhere in this peroid? EoD? Once a week?

"How to Cycle Dianabol
To create a cycle for dianabol that is based around using it more as a supplement than a steroid, we first need to look at the current trend for cycling dianabol and analyse what is wrong with it. An average cycle of Dianabol is usually structured as 25-40mg split throughout each day for 4-6 weeks, either alone or stacked with other steroids.


Firstly a dose of 25mg or more commonly causes water retention. It is well known that dianabol does aromatise quite easily, and most of the water retention is usually attributed to a build up of excess estrogen. However, it is my belief that initially water retention is caused by the body holding on to water due to the effects of dianabol on the body's mineral balance, in particular the potassium/sodium balance. This coupled with the fact that dianabol cause estrogenic side effects, leads to a lot of water build-up, and as there is little we can do about the change in the bodies mineral balance, the only other thing we can do is try to reduce aromatisation, usually with Nolvadex (tamoxifen) or other anti-estrogens. This is not the only method though, by reducing the dose, less of the drug will aromatise, which leads to less estrogen and more importantly less water retention. Reducing the drug during a cycle would lead to estrogen levels dropping slowly, so we should start the cycle with a lower dose of 10-20mg each day.

Splitting the dosage when you are using a low dose is virtually pointless, as you will get a much smaller peak of the drug. So in this case it is best to take it in a single dose in the morning (preferably with grapefruit juice). Although this will not prevent suppression of natural testosterone, it may lessen it to a certain degree, as your body will still have lengthy periods later in the day when there is little testosterone circulating, and so it may still produce some.

Now if we look at cycle duration, 4-6 weeks seems too short to have any real effect at a low dose, but how can we use dianabol for longer without placing more risk on our liver? The solution is actually quite simple; by taking weekends off from the drug we will give our livers a break from processing the drug. Due to the short half-life any active substances will be out of our system within 24 hours of your last dose, now this may seem like it will cost you gains, but in actual fact it will cost you little or no losses in the long run as even though there is no active drug in the body the effects are still present i.e. extra intramuscular water, and a more anabolic mineral balance. These effects usually taper off over several days. This method will not however, help your natural testosterone to return from its inhibited state, as this process can take considerably longer. If we take weekends off and use a lower dose, we should in theory be able to use dianabol for 10 weeks with no problems. A simple bit of mathematics can show this point best:

6 weeks @25mg each day = 1050mg of Dianabol in total
10 weeks with weekends off @15mg each day = 750mg of Dianabol in total
So as you can see, by using this system your liver will actually process less dianabol than in a conventional cycle, add this to the fact that you can make gains for 10 weeks instead of 6, and with fewer side effects, and you get a very solid cycle.

Summary
This Cycle Theory can be applied in many different situations, for instance a beginner could use the dianabol on it's own for 10 weeks and gain very well. A more experienced steroid user could use this alongside an injectable cycle for very good gains too, getting the benefit of the initial quick gains of the Dianabol, with the slower but stronger gains of an injectable.

This cycle may seem to go against many of the current trends of dianabol use, but I believe that by using dianabol as a supplement to good training and nutrition you can make very good gains."
 
sweed said:
why not use the test broski????
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I'm gonna go way out on a limb and say like most who are intrigued by the evil AAS he is scared of the steel.

10mg of d-bol is nothing more than a pre workout boost, period.

If you must do a bad first cycle then PM Radar and let him set you up with a real d-bol only plan. The old school way. You are wasting your time and money with your plan.
 
Burnthiscorpse said:
I'm gonna go way out on a limb and say like most who are intrigued by the evil AAS he is scared of the steel.

10mg of d-bol is nothing more than a pre workout boost, period.

If you must do a bad first cycle then PM Radar and let him set you up with a real d-bol only plan. The old school way. You are wasting your time and money with your plan.
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If im not mistaken 10mg Dbol ED for months is the old school way.
 
jdbaker82 said:
If im not mistaken 10mg Dbol ED for months is the old school way.
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doing a good taper up and down for a few months is the old school way. 5, 10, 15, 15, 15, 20, 20, 25, 20, 20, 15, 15, 15, 10, 5. or some shit like that. Much longer at lower doses. NO, its not going to kill your liver. A) because it wont, and B) because your going to be smart and use "lipid stable" and "forged liver support" or "liv52" the entire time and throughout PCT because those supps REALLY help and do what they are supposed to. Right?
 
Burnthiscorpse said:
doing a good taper up and down for a few months is the old school way. 5, 10, 15, 15, 15, 20, 20, 25, 20, 20, 15, 15, 15, 10, 5. or some shit like that. Much longer at lower doses. NO, its not going to kill your liver. A) because it wont, and B) because your going to be smart and use "lipid stable" and "forged liver support" or "liv52" the entire time and throughout PCT because those supps REALLY help and do what they are supposed to. Right?
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Hmm.. Interesting.
So I wonder what would be better if using Test also.

Say 10 weeks test at 400mg.
Kick it off with 4 weeks of dbol at a moderate dose.. maybe run another 2 weeks after stopping test.
Or to do the taper(pyramid?) approach for 12 weeks.
 
I think taking 10mg of dbol/day is the dumbest thing I ever heard BECAUSE your bodys(a normal male) natural androgen "activity" is equal to 10mg of dbol/day. All your doing is shutting off your bodys production to keep it the same.
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Come on bro. Tell us what you really think! lol

I'm gonna go way out on a limb and say like most who are intrigued by the evil AAS he is scared of the steel.

10mg of d-bol is nothing more than a pre workout boost, period.

If you must do a bad first cycle then PM Radar and let him set you up with a real d-bol only plan. The old school way. You are wasting your time and money with your plan.
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Good advice That ^^^^

Speaking from experience, I would go w/ the test. The pinning is only spooky at 1st.

However all that being said, what are your stats & goals?

Ie. age, years lifting, diet, Goals (you want to gain and keep 5, 10, 15 Ilbs?)


Blessings,
 
Burnthiscorpse said:
doing a good taper up and down for a few months is the old school way. 5, 10, 15, 15, 15, 20, 20, 25, 20, 20, 15, 15, 15, 10, 5. or some shit like that. Much longer at lower doses. NO, its not going to kill your liver. A) because it wont, and B) because your going to be smart and use "lipid stable" and "forged liver support" or "liv52" the entire time and throughout PCT because those supps REALLY help and do what they are supposed to. Right?
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Exactly! I've been preaching this for years, its proven & It works,it speeds up protein synthesis,and if you put your heart into it an go all out,with a good diet you will have very little bloat a gain of 14-20 pounds and tremendous strength.

I only did mine on training days and my adverage cycle length was 4 months,but i did get those %*()##@ Back pumps, Taurine & esp Milk thistle (lingurg brand) took care of that!


RADAR
 
I've done 10mgs of Dbol for 3 months. Keeps the mood up. Libido started off fine but then took a dive in about the 9th week.
 
10mg first thing in the AM every morning for your 60 day cycle. I mean first fucken thing in the morning...5am. First thing in the morning will have the smallest negative impact on your natural test levels. People do this for bridging - it works better for some than others. I'm surprised someone else did not suggest this to him earlier in this thread. If he's gonna pixy dust himself with hormones he might as well do it in a way which will impact his natural test the least and still see some gains from it.

For PCT I'd just do a standard nolva with something like Post Cycle.
 
UA_Iron said:
10mg first thing in the AM every morning for your 60 day cycle. I mean first fucken thing in the morning...5am. First thing in the morning will have the smallest negative impact on your natural test levels. People do this for bridging - it works better for some than others. I'm surprised someone else did not suggest this to him earlier in this thread. If he's gonna pixy dust himself with hormones he might as well do it in a way which will impact his natural test the least and still see some gains from it.

For PCT I'd just do a standard nolva with something like Post Cycle.
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Well I think I may do 15-20mg a day and split it in 2-3 doses every 4 or so hours... Maybe take 10 mg of it 1 hour before lifting. Thanks for the advice about first thing in the morning though but I don't think I will be just running 10mg
 
jdbaker82 said:
Im more interested why people care so much about people who say they are not using test in a cycle?
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Bro why change effective formulas in steroid use?Dbol alone is just plain silly especially less than 40mg ed.You forget that some of these people adding input have tried pretty much everything and 1st cycle Test alone seems to work the best so take it or leave it but people are not making this shit up.
 
shrimp poboy said:
Bro why change effective formulas in steroid use?Dbol alone is just plain silly especially less than 40mg ed.You forget that some of these people adding input have tried pretty much everything and 1st cycle Test alone seems to work the best so take it or leave it but people are not making this shit up.
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Just because Test + Dbol is a better cycle doesn't mean that Dbol only cycle will not do anything for you. It is a known fact that if done properly with proper diet/training dbol only cycles can be beneficial. Like I said I am interested in knowing why people like you feel the need to come into a thread and not offer any helpful advice and just bash someone taking an oral only cycle because they said they are not pinning for their 1st cycle.
 
Decided to take 20 or 25mg a day could someone tell me if I would be better splitting this up in 3 doses ED every 4 hours or take 5-10mg in the morning and then the other 10-15mg an hour or two prior to working out? Also should I be taking any Nolvadex or Arimidex while on this cycle?
 
jdbaker82 said:
Decided to take 20 or 25mg a day could someone tell me if I would be better splitting this up in 3 doses ED every 4 hours or take 5-10mg in the morning and then the other 10-15mg an hour or two prior to working out? Also should I be taking any Nolvadex or Arimidex while on this cycle?
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I would split up the doses. I wold also run 30 /mg a day. So 10/mg 3 times a day. One 1st thing in the morning the other at noon and the last one 2/hrs before my workout. I lift in the evenings...

i wouldn't take the adex. unless I had signs of gyno. However, others might advice .5/mg EOD
 
Nothing wrong with a dbol only cycle. It is true that a test/dbol cycle is better but dbol is a great bulker and has been around for decades. Id go with 20mg minimum, 10mg wont do anything.

Weeks 1 & 2 20mg
weeks 3 & 4 30mg
weeks 5 & 6 40mg
week 7 30mg
week 8 20mg
 
There has to be a strategy to a cycle. These seem to be the choices:
1. Dbol @ 10mg/day in hopes of not suppressing your test levels.
2. Bump up the dbol a little and add some test. This will require PCT as it is a real cycle and will supress test levels.
3. The pyramid of 20mg to 40mg. This is the worse cycle of the 3. You will supress your test levels and not get the benefits of a full cycle.

Taking steroids is a big committement. Are you sure that you are ready for it?
Fear of the needle doesn't show committement.
Why not wait to be ready and do it right?
 
HugeLifter said:
There has to be a strategy to a cycle. These seem to be the choices:
1. Dbol @ 10mg/day in hopes of not suppressing your test levels.
2. Bump up the dbol a little and add some test. This will require PCT as it is a real cycle and will supress test levels.
3. The pyramid of 20mg to 40mg. This is the worse cycle of the 3. You will supress your test levels and not get the benefits of a full cycle.

Taking steroids is a big committement. Are you sure that you are ready for it?
Fear of the needle doesn't show committement.
Why not wait to be ready and do it right?
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w/ all due respect, while this isn't how I would do it the "Pyramid" of using dbol has been around for quite some time time and is infact what Arnie and many others did! It seemed to work for them.....
 
Ezekiel said:
w/ all due respect, while this isn't how I would do it the "Pyramid" of using dbol has been around for quite some time time and is infact what Arnie and many others did! It seemed to work for them.....
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I am sure it is better than nothing, but knowledge of steroids has come a long way.

Blood levels will not be consistent with the pyramid and the progress will be harder to gauge due to the many changing variables.

IMO, it is best to keep diet, training, and all substances at consistent levels so that it is easy to monitor your progress and make accurate judgments.
 
No problems on the help bro, thats what we are here to do!

Hugelifter, the pyramid system introduces the hormone to the body at a lower rate and gradually builds up and tapers off. This has been common practice for daces and is less risky and less change of estro sides rather than going from 0-50mg one day and back off in the same lightening pace....Personally think its the best way to run dbol and i always do it.
 
lol..

You do NOT need any fucking arimidex for that cycle..

I cannot for the life of me understand why people are so damn parranoid of estrogenic side effects...
Ancilliary drugs, in my opinion, are more dangerous than the steroids we are using.
Hold onto the arimidex in case you NEED to resolve that problem.

*remember* estrogen up-regulates androgen receptors, making androgens work better.. this is usually why drugs that aromatize make for better gains..
estrogen is good for cholesterol too.

My first cycle was Dbol only, I took 10mg each morning for about a month, the gains were great I didn't need a bit of ancilliary drugs, I didnt do pct and kept 90% of the gains.

Milk thistle is always good for your liver and I take it regardless, It is in my Animal Pak multi vitamin pack.

Take in protein, eat right, dont go crazy with carbs or fat (dont be zero, dont over-over eat them)

Work out, get big!

Hope that helps.
 
ArmaniAK47 said:
lol..

You do NOT need any fucking arimidex for that cycle..

I cannot for the life of me understand why people are so damn parranoid of estrogenic side effects...
Ancilliary drugs, in my opinion, are more dangerous than the steroids we are using.
Hold onto the arimidex in case you NEED to resolve that problem.
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You will once you start developing gyno.

Estrogenic side effects depend on many things, the individual, the dosage etc.....you have some fair points, the ancilliaries can be more dangerous than the steroids themselves and yes estrogen is needed and benefits gains. My fav anti e on cycle has to be proviron, it works extremly weel with test and controls bloat without taking away any gains like adex would.

PCT is always a good idea, dbol for a month wouldnt really warrent it, but any 6 week plus cycle should be followed with PCT.
 
unit 2005 said:
you will once you start developing gyno.

Estrogenic side effects depend on many things, the individual, the dosage etc.....you have some fair points, the ancilliaries can be more dangerous than the steroids themselves and yes estrogen is needed and benefits gains. My fav anti e on cycle has to be proviron, it works extremly weel with test and controls bloat without taking away any gains like adex would.

Pct is always a good idea, dbol for a month wouldnt really warrent it, but any 6 week plus cycle should be followed with pct.
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+1
 
i ran dbol only cycle @ 10mg first 3 weeks then up to 20 the last 2 weeks and i actualy lost weight. Dbol only cycles in my opinion suck, it would be usless for me with out some tes. Do it big..ger
 
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