Started my cycle today. :D

[Deleted member 33117]

Gave my low dose letro a week to kick in, switched to intermittent fasting/leangains diet on Saturday (put me back up to 219 from water eating all these carbs as I had been on CKD).

I was going to run 500mg of Organon test ena for 20 weeks then taper down to one amp for awhile (again over 35 wife and I do not want kids right now etc) on my cut/recomp/pre for powerlifting meet(s)... but I kicked started it on some winny I had.

Test ena 500mg 1-20
Winny (oral) 40mg a day for weeks 1-3 (I have 100 10mg tabs on hand was this or dbol and I get them the same price, so winny seemed a better choice).
Letro: 200mcg eod.

Simple, cheap and legal. First cycle since 2004, first jab went smooth as can be in my left quad. Wish me luck, brosephs.

 

[JuiceIsMyFriend]

Good luck. Keep us updated on how the winny does. About to run same thing with eq and maybe tren

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Good luck. Keep us updated on how the winny does. About to run same thing with eq and maybe tren

Will do, and yeah the winny I am not 100% certain is legit even though the supplier for it has a very good rep. The test amps are definately legit. I personally like the strength gains I get on winny and the much needed gains in strength from it will be very welcome whilst cutting and training for power while waiting on the test to kick in. I am more comfortable with it rather than adding in a 2nd compound (like dbol) subject to aromatase.

 

[JuiceIsMyFriend]

I hear that. Can't wait for an update

 

[Hit_the_weightS]

Are you going to do before and after pics?


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Pain is weakness leaving the Body

 

[Nelson Montana]

Winny and letro is not a great combo. Winny does not aromatize.

And I trust you're using N2GUARD?

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Winny and letro is not a great combo. Winny does not aromatize.

And I trust you're using N2GUARD?

No but the test does. The winny is only the first 2-3 weeks to kickstart some strength gains on my longer test cycle. I have Meniere's disease (as mentioned in other threads... inner ear disorder which is impacted massively by fluid balance/retention) so need to keep water rention from my gear low to zero (along with my low sodium diet). My letro dose actually comes out to only around 700 mcg per week which is enough to keep water in check, but without some of the negative side effects that come with people high dosing this powerful drug.... for 30-40 cents a week.

No offense to the forum sponsors but suppliments like that are overpriced and a bit of a waste. Most of what it offers can be had with a good diet (I consume a lot of n-3 fats, huge amounts of broccoli and other fresh produce... that handles my cholesterol profile, and oxidative stress ;-)). I'm just not a fan of suppliments that cost more than the actual cycles do, never have been, never will be. If you personally feel it is worth the price tag and yields some benefit to you, I certainly cannot knock you, but I've worked in sales myself and a hard pitch isn't going to win me over. Something at that price tag better have a dozen independant peer reviews to spark my interest. I don't even use creatine.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Got a few reps for last post but no replies in the thread itself. LoL

Anywho, results thus far: I work part time at my gym and train on the clock. I found I did not want to stop doing sets after my regular workout so ended up doing tons of barbell rows and curls after my regular power-lifting training. I am up to 220 today, and my tri's and lats are killing me (today is off day). I want to train today but am sticking with the planned off day as Sat and Sun I am at the gym 5 hours on both days as I open the gym on the weekends, and tend to do a lot of training volume, so would like to be fresh for it.

I am wondering if switching to a high carb IF (doing Lean Gains) is impacting my weight, as I was up to 219 from eating more carbs prior to staring the cycle. I've been in a caloric deficit on all days yet am up 1 lbs since the day I started my gear. Yesterday I felt good energy wise and strength was up very slightly but my sex drive seemed lower than normal. Last night however I woke up twice in the night with morning wood and banged the wifey (who is now sleeping and recovering).

Going to up my winny to 50mg a day and use up what I have as a 3 week kickstart then stay on the test only (I have 100x10mg tabs). By the time my winny runs out, the test should be kicking in hard and I will be on my 3rd injection of 500mg.

I find it strange that I have gained a 1 lbs in 2 days given that my weight had stabilized on the higher carb intake, as the test should not really be kicking in yet, off the winstrol only unless it is simply due to increased glycogen uptake into my muscle tissue, as my sodium intake is fairly low and I am in a small caloric deficit.

Does anyone think that after 8 years being off the gear, my old muscle memory (keeping in mind my biceps measure 3" smaller than they did in 2004, and my chest 5-6" smaller), that my body is likely to put on a fair amount of my old muscle when cutting on my cycle, rather that just preserving it?

 

[Judo Tom]

it is probably glycogen.. muscle memory will definitely have an effect.. i was clean for years and my first cycle back was pretty sick and i didnt eat like a horse.. just big training and lots of protein

i know you want to cut but id eat a ton of protein if i was you.. i know you have diet issues and what not but if you can get 2g of protein or more per lb you will probably be really happy w/ the overall body change

Good Luck!

 

[Deleted member 33117]

it is probably glycogen.. muscle memory will definitely have an effect.. i was clean for years and my first cycle back was pretty sick and i didnt eat like a horse.. just big training and lots of protein

i know you want to cut but id eat a ton of protein if i was you.. i know you have diet issues and what not but if you can get 2g of protein or more per lb you will probably be really happy w/ the overall body change

Good Luck!

I would not expect to gain more than 1 lbs of muscle per week, which in terms of protein intake only takes an excess of 50g or so a day beyond what the body needs. Between the cost of lean protein in the UK, unless I getting that all via bulk mail order whey would run me upwards of $10us a day just for the protein... and would take up a huge amount of my caloric intake. However I will be shooting for 1g per lbs of bodyweight to play it safe. ;-)

Either way I just ordered an 11 lbs (5kg) tub of whey to add in as needed. LoL