Will boxing ontop of weight lifting for bulking be too much cardio?

[Yarg!]

My friend wants to take boxing, but he feels it would be counter productive if he is a bulking. However, I tell him it should have no effect on this because the boxing class is 3x a week at 1.5 hrs each. While there is the initial warmup of 15 mins on the skip rope, the muscles used in boxing are utilized in such a way that it would be simulating them to help build them up on top of the weight lifting. For instance when punching bags, you are stimulating your delts, pecs , abs and lats. Plus there are alot of crunches and pushups in boxing, so if anything it should add to your routine. Like I said, only the first 15 or so mins are strict cardio, the rest is just punching and thus, stimulation of those muscles. Can I get your inputs on the matter, please?

 

[trez]

Not from my own experience, but from people I met whilst boxing who went on to bigger and better things: Totally fine to do boxing as well. Just don't do too much extra cardio on top of that (e.g running etc). If his gains slow down it's a diet thing not a training one.

 

[myfault]

it depends on how intense the boxing is....
ide imagine in a "class" it shouldnt be too bad, and wouldnt be counterproductive to bulking at all. if you get into serious training though, it can be difficult to gain weight during training due to the extreme amount of cardio your body goes through.

 

[musketeer]

3 x week at 1.5 hour is probably as much "cardio" as he should do if he's going for mass, but if it is not too intense then it should actually be of benefit in terms of health and fitness.

 

[Area5150]

IMO boxing is one of the most taxing cardio excercises known to man, short of running wind sprints. But that's a no brainer, isn't it? I mean, have you ever hit, I mean really hit a heavy bag? If you have, then you know that it gets the heart pumping big time. Ditto for intense shadowboxing.

I'll go on the record by saying that there is no cardio excercise that can prepare you to fight, period. Not jogging, not wind sprints, nothing, only fighting prepares you for fighting. As Ken Shamrock once said, running sprints is the closest thing that'll replicate a fight, but even sprints are not as intense as fight training.

I have never attended a fight class ever in my life. But I stand outside of this one school and I watch them train. I'll watch them for about a half hour or so. I learn alot and I'm not just talking about technique. But that's another subject. I've been doing this for several months now. At one time or another assorted individuals in class routinely hit the wall and are forced to drag on in their lowest gear. From that point on they look like they're in slow motion.

Since fight training is a major calorie burner, I would fully expect that you would have to compensate for that by bumping up your calories. That's just common sense, the fact that you can expect to go into a caloric deficit mode, that is. It's easy to figure out how many calories you need when you use Fitday.com. You might have to throw in a couple of extra potatoes or something each day, nothing major. You can discount alot of what I said if you're on steroids.

I'll be circumspectful of the very same issue when I start Muay Thai later this month or in December. If my weight game starts to drag I'll just eat 2-3 or 4 potaotes or down a carb drink containing oats and a banana when I'm done with my MT session.

 

[raze]

yeah i agree, i trained muay thai for 3 years and had a few ring fights and it is hell taxing if you want to actually fight in the ring. you have to be fit as a fiddle, i used to train 4 - 6 times a week and i never "bulked" up but you do tone up quite well. if your mate wants to bulk up i think this may hinder his gains if hes going alot of nights as it adds alot of extra stress to the body. i need my off days to recover not to go punch on with the boys. if hes going a cple of nights a weeks and just wants to learn how to throw a few good punches then it should probably be ok. anyway it cant hurt him to start and see how it goes if it does hinder his progress to a point where he goes "this is f*cked" then he will have to decide what he wants more, to get big quickly or to learn to box!

IMO boxing is one of the most taxing cardio excercises known to man, short of running wind sprints. But that's a no brainer, isn't it? I mean, have you ever hit, I mean really hit a heavy bag? If you have, then you know that it gets the heart pumping big time. Ditto for intense shadowboxing.

I'll go on the record by saying that there is no cardio excercise that can prepare you to fight, period. Not jogging, not wind sprints, nothing, only fighting prepares you for fighting. As Ken Shamrock once said, running sprints is the closest thing that'll replicate a fight, but even sprints are not as intense as fight training.

I have never attended a fight class ever in my life. But I stand outside of one school and I watch them train. I've been doing this for several months now. At one time or another assorted individuals in class routinely hit the wall and are forced to drag on in their lowest gear. From that point on they look like they're in slow motion.

Since fight training is a major calorie burner, I would fully expect that you would have to compensate for that by bumping up your calories. That's just common sense. It's easy to figure out how many calories you need when you use Fitday.com. You might have to throw in a couple of extra potatoes or something each day, nothing major. You can discount alot of what I said if you're on steroids.

I'll be circumspectful of the very same issue when I start Muay Thai later this month or in December. If my weight game starts to drag I'll just eat 2-3 or 4 potaotes or down a carb containing oats and a banana when I'm done with my MT session.

 

[Micker]

I think it will be tough to workout for mass and box at the same time. Its not impossible, but he would need to be someone who isn't a hard gainer or someone who overtrains easy. He won't be able to lift on days he trains boxing and I can't imagine having energy to lift after a good boxing workout. Maybe some benching or squats etc., but he would be working his muscles almost everyday of the week. Punching works chest/shoulders big time and lifting weights could really take its toll.

I know when I wrestled freestyle after high school, I lifted, but I only practiced once or twice a week at most. I was pretty tired most of the time and sore as hell. I feel that endurance is more important then strength when it comes to boxing. Both is nice, but if you have no wind you can be as strong as you want and never go very far.

 

[b fold the truth]

When I was younger and me and my buddies were bulking...we would spend our Saturdays sitting around trying to see who could use the least amount of kcals that day.

B True

 

[ben23]

hi everyone, first post, this is a great sight by the way to!

this thread is similar to my problem im doing 5x5, i also do muay thai sunday mornings and thursday evening for 1hr 30 mins, im really drained all the time the muay thai is intense, couple of times ive felt like im going to collapse, i think its mainly the squatting 3x per week thats messing me up, i go to muay thai the next day my legs feel dead, i can barely skip or anything, someone said to me you will have to choose what you prefer, whether you want to bulk or get good at muay thai, but i love both so i want to continue, i know your'e not supposed to mess with the 5x5 at all, has anyway got any advice on this at all?

 

[Vita]

wouldn't this be a perfect situation to implement the westside for skinny bastards program?

sounds like it would be to me.

as long as he/she eats enough, they'll gain weight, simple as that. overtraining is another issue, but that's where the WFSB comes into play as he designed it to work well for athletes with a lot of other training.

 

[Anthrax Invasion]

'kay, not gonna read through all the stuff here, but here's my take:

First off, you can do cardio for three hours a day, seven days a week, and still add mass. The problem here is caloric intake, that's all. Make sure he eats enough to compensate. This is midunderstood, and people go around saying not to cardio when bulking. That's bullshit. If you want to have fun, play ball, box, or go for a run, do it. Just eat enough to make up for the caloric expenditure, and make sure the cardio DOES NOT INTERFERE WITH THE LIFTING.

Also, tell him not to do situps. They're harmful to the lumbar spine. Find another way to train the abs. Something that doesn't flex the spine.

 

[tanka]

from my experience as a former amateur boxer it works like this.if you are a boxer looking to strengthen certain muscle groups you lift weights a couple of times a week. strength and some size are the result.for a body builder,the grinding intensity of bag ,pad work and sparring ,would i am sure, stifle growth unless anabolically assisted.if you want to do both with results you will need to reduce the intensity of the boxing trainning .boxing training is as intense as it gets, and you have to push close to the limit. cardio it isnt.thinking back over those session makes me relise just how much fun weight trainning can be in comparrison .good luck

 

[Anthrax Invasion]

cardio it isnt

Paitence, young one...