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Why Does Anyone Use Nolvadex Anymore???
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I am just going to make a quick reply and then start a post once i have talked with My specialist. I am 29 6'2 200lbs . I have done 5 cycles and used Nolvadex for PCT among other things. I am not saying this is fact that its caused from the Nolvadex but its deff from something I took. Here is the long story short. After last PCT of Nolvadex 40 40 20 20 I noticed My right arm growing faster then my left. My veins started bulging more and started to get varicose and spider veins in bicep. When I did any training using my right arm "Normally my strong arm" I noticed it was getting super pumped way to fast. My left arm the weaker one would just be starting to get a pump and my right arm was drained. So one night I was doing pull up's and my arm felt like it was going to explode. It swelled a few inches bigger and My wife asked me to not finish my set because it worried her. I am stubborn and it made me mad and of course I finished my set. So she asked me to go to the Dr and see whats up. I was sent for a venous doppler which is a ultra sound on my veins. The found 3 clots in my arm. Now look at the facts I am young . in great shape , I do smoke , and have no history of DVT "Deep vein Thrombosis" in my family. So After digging and digging I think its from the Nolvadex. I am going to talk with My Dr and see what he has to say but if its not something from the steroids or PCT then I cant see what else it could be from. This is scary shit if the clot goes to my lung , heart or brain I can die. So they have me on blood thinners. I have to inject my self sub-q like HCG for a week then take pills for 6 months. I now bruise like a girl and I can bleed easy. If I bang my head I can have internal bleeding. I just got my var and prop for next cycle and might not ever use it. Anyway I am not saying this is fact but I just wanna give others the heads up on this. I will find out as much as I can and if any of you smart mother fuckers want to discuss this i would love to have a bro that can help disect this and maybe help me debate to use the other cycle in the future or scratch it and dump the gear. Stay safe and really consider the side affects of the drugs you are going to use.
It could be from whatever your taking. But I think this debate will rage for forever. On the Eclenbueterol site, they list letro and nolvadex as an anti gyno stack. I asked the question, a bit ago, if Nolvadex is so bad for you why is it used specifically in the anti gyno stack?
I also thought it was an estrogen blocker? So if that is the case, if you were trying to keep estrogen from your tits, wouldn't a blocker in combination with a reducer work well together?
I have used it a lot in the past and never had any problem with libido, mood swings etc. But then that can be said of just about any steroid we take in some fashion.
I also thought it was an estrogen blocker? So if that is the case, if you were trying to keep estrogen from your tits, wouldn't a blocker in combination with a reducer work well together?
I have used it a lot in the past and never had any problem with libido, mood swings etc. But then that can be said of just about any steroid we take in some fashion.
Maybe this will answer some questions. I realize i have not taking it as long as the indevidual but I did take double his dose.
On the negative side, because of its structural similarity to estrogen, Nolvadex may begin to act like an estrogen when taken in large doses or used for extended times. A recently published case study illustrates the point.1 A 29-year-old man had been treated for low sperm counts with Nolvadex—10 milligrams, twice daily—for one year. He was admitted to a hospital complaining of shortness of breath, was spitting up blood and had been having right-side chest pain for five days. Those symptoms all pointed to a blood clot in his lungs. He was treated with intravenous heparin to break up the clot, followed by several months of oral warfarin to prevent clot recurrence. He survived with no residual effects. His long-term use of Nolvadex made it act like a high-powered estrogen, blocking anticlotting agents produced in the liver. That was a major problem in women who used birth-control pills containing high doses of synthetic estrogen. In animal studies high-dose or long-term Nolvadex use interferes with the activity of two enzymes required for testosterone synthesis. By inhibiting estrogen activity, Nolvadex also blunts the release of GH and IGF-1.
On the negative side, because of its structural similarity to estrogen, Nolvadex may begin to act like an estrogen when taken in large doses or used for extended times. A recently published case study illustrates the point.1 A 29-year-old man had been treated for low sperm counts with Nolvadex—10 milligrams, twice daily—for one year. He was admitted to a hospital complaining of shortness of breath, was spitting up blood and had been having right-side chest pain for five days. Those symptoms all pointed to a blood clot in his lungs. He was treated with intravenous heparin to break up the clot, followed by several months of oral warfarin to prevent clot recurrence. He survived with no residual effects. His long-term use of Nolvadex made it act like a high-powered estrogen, blocking anticlotting agents produced in the liver. That was a major problem in women who used birth-control pills containing high doses of synthetic estrogen. In animal studies high-dose or long-term Nolvadex use interferes with the activity of two enzymes required for testosterone synthesis. By inhibiting estrogen activity, Nolvadex also blunts the release of GH and IGF-1.
I found this article here
Estrogen Manipulation | Iron Man Magazine | www.ironmanmagazine.com
Not saying that the DVT couldnt be from another drug. But other then that I shouldn't be getting clots I dont fit the criteria. I know people can get them from sitting long periods on time and from plane rides. But most of those cases have leg DVT not arm. I am hoping that this will be something the veterans will help me look into. Maybe its from another drug I dont know I will have to look and see whats most likely. As of now its Nolvadex. I just think if it is the case we need to let the people know this so they can use other methods. Not to mention more people die a year from DVT then cancer or aids.
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Estrogen Manipulation | Iron Man Magazine | www.ironmanmagazine.com
Not saying that the DVT couldnt be from another drug. But other then that I shouldn't be getting clots I dont fit the criteria. I know people can get them from sitting long periods on time and from plane rides. But most of those cases have leg DVT not arm. I am hoping that this will be something the veterans will help me look into. Maybe its from another drug I dont know I will have to look and see whats most likely. As of now its Nolvadex. I just think if it is the case we need to let the people know this so they can use other methods. Not to mention more people die a year from DVT then cancer or aids.
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Yea no doubt about that. But my gear is good until 2014 I was going to do test P Tren A and var I never ordered the tren and I got some good gear at a good price. If i sell it I might regret it but deff the last I will do. I will talk to the Dr about everything as of now I don't have a family Dr just walk in clinics and Hospital. I will be seeing a specialist on in 5 days and I should have a Dr soon as well. Don't get me wrong chances are good I will dump the gear for good. It really sucks I was inches away from my personal goal and was in the best shape ever. now I have to stop training for a bit and cant eat the green leafy veggies among other things i love. so i have already been set back gained body fat and loss muscle mass 
but better then being dead. in 6 months i will be back to training and things will change. I want to get to the bottom of this so others can learn from it.
but better then being dead. in 6 months i will be back to training and things will change. I want to get to the bottom of this so others can learn from it.needtogetaas
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of course and this is why I made a product that is both.. Now no need for shitty ass nolva anymore yet again
Nolva and clomid are serms and they block estrogen at the ER thus stopping it from having any effects on the ER. Well they do not block estrogen, but rather they take up the spot in the ER that estrogen would normally take up so that estrogen cant get in and do its job.
However when on nolvadex or clomid the level of estrogen in your body does not go down but rather it goes up!!!!. You see, Nolvadex only blocks estrogen that's already in your body but it does not in anyway effect test from converting to estrogen. In fact by stopping the estrogen from entering the ER it causes your body to create both more testosterone AND ESTROGEN
let no one ever forget this. Your bodies level of estrogen goes up well taking nolvadex or clomid not down and anyone who has read a study or two and has been around a wile knows this. This is why it is very very very common for nolvadex and or clomid to cause what is known as "rebound gyno" if you use these product for pct with out a Ai or even better a "suicide aromatase inhibitor" (which is what forma-stanzol is) Now as you can see formastane its self and nolvadex/clomid are worlds apart. From here on throughout my explanation I will be speaking only about forma-stanzol as I feel it is the far superior compound because it has both formastane (suicide aromatase inhibition as well as progesterone reducing effects) and phytoserms (Phytoserm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) effects. On top of this it also has many other necessary effects for any prospective steroids user.
One Forma-stanzol's many characteristics is whats know as a "suicide aromatase inhibitor" of aromatase. This means that Forma-stanzol binds to the aromatase enzyme in a permanent and irreversible manner, rendering it inactive. The result of this is an eventual diminishment of aromatase enzyme in the body and a concurrent reduction in estrogen levels. A corresponding increase in testosterone production is usually experienced as well
It is important to note here that this deactivation of aromatase enzymes by forma-stanzol does not mean that your body becomes permanently deficient in the ability to synthesize estrogen. Your body will react to the deficiency of enzyme by producing more enzyme to replace that which has been deactivated. Therefore, when you stop taking Forma-stanzol your aromatase enzyme level will quickly catch up to normal and full estrogen production will resume.
Now Another important attribute to forma-stanzol is of course its phytoserm effects. Serm/phytoserm effects are important for pct because of there binding to the estrogen receptors, thus inhibiting estrogenic activity only at the ER. This causes a increase to LH & FSH levels, which in turn stimulates testosterone production. The important thing to remember here is although both nolvadex and clomid will do this they do it at a price! not only does the level of estrogen keep going up well taking them (unlike with forma-stanzol) but they can also be harmful in many other ways ( read post 6 in this thread to learn more about this. http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/taking-anabolic-steroids-101-a-642856.html). This is why phytoserm's "medically and clinically" excepted natural serms are better. Combined with other compounds like the ones in forma-stanzol they are a much more effect form of pct or on cycle estrogen and progesterone control.
Furthermore forma-stanzols 7,8 Benzoflavone a neuro-active flavone has the ability to pass the blood brain barrier and block the suppression of GnRH release through modulation of the GABAergic receptor complex.7,8 Benzoflavone also has a positive effects on libido due to its aphrodisiac and anxiolytic (anxiety-relieving) effect having natural anti-anxiety properties, 7,8-benzoflavone my help improve general self-confidence and well being. But Forma-stansols posative effects on libido dosn't end there. As any well versed steroid user knows lowering progesterone can also have a very positive and profound effects on sex drive.
Forma-stanzol unlike any other Ai or serm also has anabolic effects and coverts to a anabolic at a "dose dependent rate". In other words when used at the higher end of dosing ( 10 pumps twice a day) after a week it starts to covert somewhat to a anabolic compound and adds gains to your cycle. Still when used at the lower end or pct stile dosing protocol ( 5 pumps twice a day) there is no worries about suppression because its anabolic conversion is again " dose dependent" and only happens at higher doses taken for longer periods of time. How Amazing is that? I dont know any Ai's out there that can clam this nor do I know one single Ai that also lowers progesterone too!
Because of the formatane and now added compounds in forma-stanzol Its anabolic/androgen effects are similar to that of the steroid primobolan Depot ( but only when used at higher doses for longer periods of time).even at the lower dosing It increases IGF-1 levels by an amazing 26%,and increases HPTA activity and testicular activity similar to a combination of hcg and Clomid!
All of this is backed up by " human" studies. Yes Real human studies don by well known Universities and agencies. Because for the longest time Lentaron I.M. Depot® was a proscription drug . This was not a drug that got scrapped because it did not work or because other drugs worked better. No this drug lost favor because many years ago the only way to use the drug was through injections. But because of the advancements in Trans dermal delivery Lentaron I.M. Depot® is back. With the help of NTBM and MRsupps.com its more powerful then ever.
We have added the perfect synergistic blend of supporting components making forma-stanzol a Highbred on cycle estrogen/progesterone control and pct drug.
