It was brought to my attention in the vin diesil post that "chicks" don't dig midgets (5'6") with muscles. Damn I guess all the controlled torture I put my body through at gym is for not because of that. yeah right!! I don't work out like I do to fit into society's mold of what is acceptable or attractive. I do it for myself, of course it is cool when chicks dig it and honestly right now at 198lbs I am not too big for mos girls my wife digs it except for the no neck thing. But she is not happy with my ambition of reaching a freaky bigness. What are you guys working for? My personal thought is why juice if you do not want to break your genetic boundaries. MY dad is 5'2" 145lbs my brother 5'9" and about 160 to 165 ( he is a personal fitness trainer at Bally's) they both have that lean cut muscular physique which is what I had also (5'6" 165 to 170lbs)but it is also what I wanted to transcend. thanks guys I was just letting off some steam.