when did these high doses become the right thing?

[boston789]

This whole thread is showing that although high doses arent the 'right way to go', everyone has a different idea of what 'high' is. Everyone's body reacts differently to different compounds. Some people don't see anything off primo, some dont see anything off of EQ. Some people think that tren is fantastic; some hate it. Some like dbol, some think its all water weight and does nothing accept bloat you.

I think it absolutely matters WHAT TYPE of compounds are being 'abused'. High dose of primo, imo, is not going to have the same side effects of 75mg ed of tren. The compound itself is a HUGE factor in side effects and whatnot.

As far as what the pros do. No one knows. Yes they have excellent genetics; but I would bet anything that they use doses that are very high. Does Andre Muntzer's last cycle ring a bell to anyone?

 

[Nelson Montana]

As far as what the pros do. No one knows. Yes they have excellent genetics; but I would bet anything that they use doses that are very high.

Does Andre Muntzer's last cycle ring a bell to anyone?

Yeah, the funeral bell.

 

[boston789]

Yeah, the funeral bell.

Exactly. And those doses were ridiculous. That is my point.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Check out the dude in my sig (Phil Hernon). He used 500mgs of Test for most of the year and his contest cycle was still barely at a gram and a half.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Check out the dude in my sig (Phil Hernon). He used 500mgs of Test for most of the year and his contest cycle was still barely at a gram and a half.

Another good point.

There was a time when test was used as a "kicker" -- a little more androgen to increase strength. It was the anabolic properties of steroids that were most coveted. (Remember, d-bol was suopposed to be a LESS androgenic form of testosterone).

So the concept of doing lots of Primo ( the least suppressive steroid) for the anabolism and then adding some testosterone makes a lot of sense. One of the reasons test became (and is) so popular is because it's inexpensive. (And of course, it works). But emphasizing the anabolic aspect of gear has become more overlooked. (Though EQ is similar to primo in that regard but I am not a fan of vet gear).

So yes, there are exceptions. A gram of Primo with just 200 mgs of test or 25 mgs of d-bol a day would be an ENORMOUSLY effective cycle and safer than what most guys would consider standard. But there is a cavest -- you have to eat protein constantly! As a matter of fact, I truly believe guys can make similar gains with just the right supplements if they force fed protein all day long. It's amazingly effective, but it requires a lot of disipline.

 

[Tweakle]

I've often made the point that it isn't so much the biggest guy who knows the most,

quite right.. who would listen to whoever the flavor of the week 'guru' on elite is if that were the case?

 

[boston789]

Another good point.

There was a time when test was used as a "kicker" -- a little more androgen to increase strength. It was the anabolic properties of steroids that were most coveted. (Remember, d-bol was suopposed to be a LESS androgenic form of testosterone).

So the concept of doing lots of Primo ( the least suppressive steroid) for the anabolism and then adding some testosterone makes a lot of sense. One of the reasons test became (and is) so popular is because it's inexpensive. (And of course, it works). But emphasizing the anabolic aspect of gear has become more overlooked. (Though EQ is similar to primo in that regard but I am not a fan of vet gear).

So yes, there are exceptions. A gram of Primo with just 200 mgs of test or 25 mgs of d-bol a day would be an ENORMOUSLY effective cycle and safer than what most guys would consider standard. But there is a cavest -- you have to eat protein constantly! As a matter of fact, I truly believe guys can make similar gains with just the right supplements if they force fed protein all day long. It's amazingly effective, but it requires a lot of disipline.

Fully agree.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Another thing...and people often forget this factor...is economics. A great many people are making injectables from bulk powder today at the fraction of what it used to cost to buy the same amount of finished product. You buy 100grams of Test, and that's 50 bottles worth...and if you have 50 bottles worth, it's each to use a bottle a week, even if you don't need it.

 

[BigBlu]

No disrespect, but isn't most of this common sense?

Seems more like a reputation thing going on to here...

I agree mate. Some folks haven't evolved to the common sense stage yet. Be patient.

 

[the_clockwork]

I wanna try derma