Whats the big deal with hcgenerate? OVER PRICED?

[Lighter Fighter]

Since there is so much talk about this product on this forum, i looked it up and its 74 freaking bucks, there are much cheaer test booster with same and more ingredient than this.

Here are the ingredients

Fadogia Agrestis ..........1000mg

Fenugreek PE Extracted 50% 1000mg

3,4 Divanillytahydrofuran 500mg

Bulgarain Tribulus Terrestris 500mg

Vitamin E 200mg

LJ:100 100mg

zinc 7mg

Another product i looked up was hemotest by nutrabolics and its got fenugreek which hcgenerate have also it has Eurycoma Longfolia which hcgenerate doesnt they look about the same but the hemotest is only 40 bucks half the price.
This hcgenretae product is grossly over priced for what it has in it, no hate just telling the truth.

 

[muscleaddiction]

Since there is so much talk about this product on this forum, i looked it up and its 74 freaking bucks, there are much cheaer test booster with same and more ingredient than this.

Here are the ingredients

Fadogia Agrestis ..........1000mg

Fenugreek PE Extracted 50% 1000mg

3,4 Divanillytahydrofuran 500mg

Bulgarain Tribulus Terrestris 500mg

Vitamin E 200mg

LJ:100 100mg

zinc 7mg

Another product i looked up was hemotest by nutrabolics and its got fenugreek which hcgenerate have also it has Eurycoma Longfolia which hcgenerate doesnt they look about the same but the hemotest is only 40 bucks half the price.
This hcgenretae product is grossly over priced for what it has in it, no hate just telling the truth.

Why don't you do a search on it here...there are many MANY write ups, reviews, and information on it and if you used the discount code for 15% off it would cost you about $62, you have been around the forum long enough to know needto himself has wrote up many stickies about PCT and cycle support and how HCGenerate fits into the equation...just a suggestion before you start a thread like this do some more research on it and you will find your answers...I don't have the time to do it for you.

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[mevarela3]

This is to funny cause we just went through this shit! NTBM just offered a 25% discount on all their stuff! Where were u!

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[MattJS]

'74 freaking bucks' lol you should try living where I am you'd be paying 130...

 

[Lighter Fighter]

Even with the discount code its 62 bucks, there are other products with the same and more ingredients for 40$.. over priced.. Sorry.

 

[stevesmi]

needto products are pure. that is the difference. no fillers.

its a specific genre he targets.. the products aren't for everyone, if you want to save a couple bucks for a product that is less potent then that is your choice.

i would not be repping for NTBM if i thought the products weren't the best. i could rep for any supplement company out there but choose NTBM for that reason.

 

[Tux]

And you missed one of the biggest ingredients that basically NO one else has... fadogia agrestis.... you obviously are an excellent researcher. I applaud your skills.

 

[Headholio]

And you missed one of the biggest ingredients that basically NO one else has... fadogia agrestis.... you obviously are an excellent researcher. I applaud your skills.

Ditto on that.

Actually, I don't think there is another single product that matches ingredients. You could stack 2 products and you'd be paying about the same.
But the true test is trying it. I agree it is pricier than some, and for that price it should work better.

Also note that there are always deals.

 

[muscleaddiction]

Even with the discount code its 62 bucks, there are other products with the same and more ingredients for 40$.. over priced.. Sorry.

LF as you know you are entitled to your opinion, even if there is no intelligence behind it, and the best thing is you don't have to buy HCGenerate, you can go buy your other supplement you feel is better because it is cheaper, by all means, knock yourself out!

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[Nelson Montana]

Fadogia is some expensive shit and pretty remarkable. That's the main reason HCGen is so good to use while on cycle -- it keeps LH production up so you don't get as suppressed. That makes for a faster recovery.

BRIDGE also contains Fadogia to keep LH at peak level in-between cycles.

So, if you want to use the ingredients separately to save a few bucks, you should at least use BRIDGE along with them, otherwise, you won't get the desired effect.

Spending a little to get next to nothing is more costly than spending more but getting a lot more out of it.

 

[stevesmi]

Fadogia is some expensive shit and pretty remarkable. That's the main reason HCGen is so good to use while on cycle -- it keeps LH production up so you don't get as suppressed. That makes for a faster recovery. .

no idea why in the year 2012 a lot of guys are still running 1982 PCT's.

if you go into pct with plump nuts you will get a faster recover.. if you go into pct with dead raisin nuts then thats why a lot of guys go on HRT at 40 and give up on cycling.

to not take advantage of these things today is downright crazy.

 

[IncredibleHoss]

needto products are pure. that is the difference. no fillers.

its a specific genre he targets.. the products aren't for everyone, if you want to save a couple bucks for a product that is less potent then that is your choice.

i would not be repping for NTBM if i thought the products weren't the best. i could rep for any supplement company out there but choose NTBM for that reason.

Well said

Needto's shit is ALL 100% legit and I don't mind the premium either.

Its YOUR body and if you want walmart creatine and "test boosters" see what the results are.

I've been here for years and havent been to a GNC or bb.com since

 

[Lighter Fighter]

And you missed one of the biggest ingredients that basically NO one else has... fadogia agrestis.... you obviously are an excellent researcher. I applaud your skills.

I guess you are more experiened in research than me because hemotest has fadogia agrestis in it plus Eurycoma Longfolia which hcgenerate doesnt have, for half the price.
Not that i give a shit about test boosters or anything, I just wanted to mention whats up with the ridiculous price, you can buy whatever you wish, the only difference is my pocket will be heavy and yours light..

 

[jread18]

You get what you pay for, needto's products are the best of the best and cost more to make, if there to high for you just buy the cheaper the version such as hemotest.

 

[Headholio]

I guess you are more experiened in research than me because hemotest has fadogia agrestis in it plus Eurycoma Longfolia which hcgenerate doesnt have, for half the price.
Not that i give a shit about test boosters or anything, I just wanted to mention whats up with the ridiculous price, you can buy whatever you wish, the only difference is my pocket will be heavy and yours light..

Wrong.

Eurocomia longfolia is also called longjack, listed on the hcgenerate label as LJ 100.


Hemotest might be a good product I don't know. But it is one of those products that uses the "proprietary blend" BS so you don't know how much of any one ingredient is in it. I don't buy stuff like that. Note that hcgenerate has the amounts of each ingredient listed.

 

[FattyMcGillicutty]

needto products are pure. that is the difference. no fillers.

If you want some real proof of this, order a 5lb whey to build. Put it next to another brand bag 5lb. It's about 2/3 of the size.

Honestly I wish I could afford HCGen full time but I can't. That doesn't mean it costs too much, I just don't make enough! Take if from a fat sack of crap, NTBM products are the real deal. They have helped me lose 80lb this year yet somehow gain muscle mass.

 

[Tux]

Actually, lighterfighter, you proved it FOR me. Your hemotest has only 2200mg TOTAL ingredients... HCGenerate has well over 3000mg, and over 1000mg of that ALONE is Fadogia. Willing to bet hemotest doesn't have half that, AND that's it's not as pure. Also the purity of it's fenugreek was not as high as HCGenerate either. So... again, you were wrong, just admit it. I'm sure your product still works, and I agree it costs less... BUT you get massive sales at NTBM, AND you always get free shipping, so in the end, his product always comes out on top. If you can't afford HCGen, by all means use Hemotest, I'm sure it'll help some... just not as much. And for those of us who want THE BEST... we know where to go. And we know where you can go too

 

[flabbyguy]

F all this debating. There is no debating on this. The question is....when does the HCGen ES come out. Im jumpn on that no matter what it costs. Results do it for me and ive had nothing but great results with ALL the N2 products.

Next topic.

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[stevesmi]

the problem with this debate is that hcgenerate isn't JUST a natty test booster, not even close to all it does. it does so much more than that. its a must run on a cycle because of what it does with your hpta and cholesterol.

2 caps 2X per day is what i use on cycle and it does its job beautifully

 

[muscleaddiction]

Using it and HCG on cycle, and it really does make a difference...can't wait for HCGenerate EX to hit the shelves on Jan 1st!

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[noodles1010]

hcgenerate is a bit pricey... well worth the dollar in my opinion.. it does exactly what its supposed to do. good luck finding that these days

 

[Dial_tone]

It's good stuff but I should get to drive the Hummer once.

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Even with the discount code its 62 bucks, there are other products with the same and more ingredients for 40$.. over priced.. Sorry.

Please let me know which product gives you either 1,000mg of Fadogia and or 1,000mg of Fenugreek - Actually while you are at it, another product that gives you 500mg of Tribulus.

Most formulas out there use less than half the amount of those. Not only that but they hide their ingredients behind proprietary blends so the customer never really knows how much is in there.

Buddy - you are way off on your assumptions. Our manufacturer who also has worked with the top brands in the industry and he flat out tells me the NTBM formulas are VERY expensive to make compared to the top brands - he says it is not a sustainable business model for the supplement industry and that it can't survive. It can't survive because the competition makes bigger promises on bottles that cost less than half what NTBM's costs. NTBM would never be able to sell it's products to a distributor at a sustainable margin, not when HCGenerate would need compete next to $29 tests boosters for store shelves, little $29 and $39 dollar products that have professional marketing teams making up big promises on their weak formulas.

The products NTBM makes cost a ton of cash to make compared to the competition and only the really sophisticated Elite Fitness crowd who can read a Supplement Fact label and understand the products formula and understand the value in each bottle and can ever truly appreciate it.

NTBM may remain too "expensive" for people who can't read a label and only read promises vs. price. for you guys who make it this far and know your shit and know enough to read a label and look t ingredients, std. % and mg amounts and know that NTBM gives you 2-3 supps in one and is only about 20 to 30% higher than the competition and it works!

NTBM will remain an Elite Fitness brand very underground and hardcore. It will never grace the shelves at the major store because we just refuse to make products on price points and margins and rather make stuff we can take ourselves with our cycles, th type of products we can sell to our bros today and look them in the eye and say "here bro, I made this for you" and then come face that customer on the forums and see them and talk to them. Our products get instant reviews and instant feedback - The owner of NTBM still picks up the phone, if a product is not living up to expectations HE HIMSELF gets an earful from the caller.

NTBM is a VALUE based brand, where you get a product with 2x to 3x the potency of others in it's niche while only paying a slight 20%-30% increase in price over the competition. Label to label, nobody can compete.



-BRR

 

[Aussi muscle]

the problem with this debate is that hcgenerate isn't JUST a natty test booster, not even close to all it does. it does so much more than that. its a must run on a cycle because of what it does with your hpta and cholesterol.

2 caps 2X per day is what i use on cycle and it does its job beautifully

They've run out of hcgen ATM and offered me 2 bottles of bridge to double dose, would you take that offer to run on cycle, or would you just wait for the hcgen to come back in

 

[muscleaddiction]

They've run out of hcgen ATM and offered me 2 bottles of bridge to double dose, would you take that offer to run on cycle, or would you just wait for the hcgen to come back in

Yes...it is equivalent to a single dose of HCGenerate and if they are offering it to you then jump on it!

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[noodles1010]

Please let me know which product gives you either 1,000mg of Fadogia and or 1,000mg of Fenugreek - Actually while you are at it, another product that gives you 500mg of Tribulus.

Most formulas out there use less than half the amount of those. Not only that but they hide their ingredients behind proprietary blends so the customer never really knows how much is in there.

Buddy - you are way off on your assumptions. Our manufacturer who also has worked with the top brands in the industry and he flat out tells me the NTBM formulas are VERY expensive to make compared to the top brands - he says it is not a sustainable business model for the supplement industry and that it can't survive. It can't survive because the competition makes bigger promises on bottles that cost less than half what NTBM's costs. NTBM would never be able to sell it's products to a distributor at a sustainable margin, not when HCGenerate would need compete next to $29 tests boosters for store shelves, little $29 and $39 dollar products that have professional marketing teams making up big promises on their weak formulas.

The products NTBM makes cost a ton of cash to make compared to the competition and only the really sophisticated Elite Fitness crowd who can read a Supplement Fact label and understand the products formula and understand the value in each bottle and can ever truly appreciate it.

NTBM may remain too "expensive" for people who can't read a label and only read promises vs. price. for you guys who make it this far and know your shit and know enough to read a label and look t ingredients, std. % and mg amounts and know that NTBM gives you 2-3 supps in one and is only about 20 to 30% higher than the competition and it works!

NTBM will remain an Elite Fitness brand very underground and hardcore. It will never grace the shelves at the major store because we just refuse to make products on price points and margins and rather make stuff we can take ourselves with our cycles, th type of products we can sell to our bros today and look them in the eye and say "here bro, I made this for you" and then come face that customer on the forums and see them and talk to them. Our products get instant reviews and instant feedback - The owner of NTBM still picks up the phone, if a product is not living up to expectations HE HIMSELF gets an earful from the caller.

NTBM is a VALUE based brand, where you get a product with 2x to 3x the potency of others in it's niche while only paying a slight 20%-30% increase in price over the competition. Label to label, nobody can compete.



-BRR

I started that other "ntbm got expensive" thread, and like I said above, THIS PRODUCT IS WORTH EVERY DOLLAR PERIOD.
Guys you can complain about SOME things... This is not one of them.
I agree entirely BRR. Although I disagree totally and entirely with what you said about it not succeeding on the shelves with other competitors promising the world. I think ntbm and hcgenerate would bury the competition given the right marketing, the proper info given out, and the right promotion. Your from ny like me... You really don't think that it would take off out here if it was put on the shelves of a vitamin shoppe or (god don't hate me for saying it) a gnc and promoted right?? I think you might have underestimated the market on the east coast for this a little bro. At least that's how I feel. I love this product and since I've tried it have been a believer in hcgenerate.

 

[Aussi muscle]

Yes...it is equivalent to a single dose of HCGenerate and if they are offering it to you then jump on it!

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Thanks muscleaddiction. Will email them now

 

[stevesmi]

Thanks muscleaddiction. Will email them now

go for it..

but my advice to you in the future is ALWAYS keep an extra bottle in your pantry as a backup.

when you run out of 1 then automatically put in an order for another one when its in stock. this way you will always have it.

 

[muscleaddiction]

^^^ solid advice here!

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[muscleaddiction]

Thanks muscleaddiction. Will email them now

Anytime bro!

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[muscleaddiction]

Please let me know which product gives you either 1,000mg of Fadogia and or 1,000mg of Fenugreek - Actually while you are at it, another product that gives you 500mg of Tribulus.

Most formulas out there use less than half the amount of those. Not only that but they hide their ingredients behind proprietary blends so the customer never really knows how much is in there.

Buddy - you are way off on your assumptions. Our manufacturer who also has worked with the top brands in the industry and he flat out tells me the NTBM formulas are VERY expensive to make compared to the top brands - he says it is not a sustainable business model for the supplement industry and that it can't survive. It can't survive because the competition makes bigger promises on bottles that cost less than half what NTBM's costs. NTBM would never be able to sell it's products to a distributor at a sustainable margin, not when HCGenerate would need compete next to $29 tests boosters for store shelves, little $29 and $39 dollar products that have professional marketing teams making up big promises on their weak formulas.

The products NTBM makes cost a ton of cash to make compared to the competition and only the really sophisticated Elite Fitness crowd who can read a Supplement Fact label and understand the products formula and understand the value in each bottle and can ever truly appreciate it.

NTBM may remain too "expensive" for people who can't read a label and only read promises vs. price. for you guys who make it this far and know your shit and know enough to read a label and look t ingredients, std. % and mg amounts and know that NTBM gives you 2-3 supps in one and is only about 20 to 30% higher than the competition and it works!

NTBM will remain an Elite Fitness brand very underground and hardcore. It will never grace the shelves at the major store because we just refuse to make products on price points and margins and rather make stuff we can take ourselves with our cycles, th type of products we can sell to our bros today and look them in the eye and say "here bro, I made this for you" and then come face that customer on the forums and see them and talk to them. Our products get instant reviews and instant feedback - The owner of NTBM still picks up the phone, if a product is not living up to expectations HE HIMSELF gets an earful from the caller.

NTBM is a VALUE based brand, where you get a product with 2x to 3x the potency of others in it's niche while only paying a slight 20%-30% increase in price over the competition. Label to label, nobody can compete.



-BRR

And there you have it...nothing more to say except this is a staple supplement of mine and will be for as long as I can keep it in my cabinet...if I can't afford it God forbid I will work or beg for it lol! Seriously!!!

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[Aussi muscle]

go for it..

but my advice to you in the future is ALWAYS keep an extra bottle in your pantry as a backup.

when you run out of 1 then automatically put in an order for another one when its in stock. this way you will always have it.

Yeah will do, will load up on supps after Christmas, after trying what iv ordered, which was quite a large order I have a post on my two training partners cycles that I need some advice on if you guys have the time could you have a look under my topics @stevesmi @muscleaddiction. Thanks

 

[stevesmi]

^^^PM me the link bro and i promise i will check it out

 

[GymDog99]

I always find it funny when people complain about the price of things and skimp out on what I would consider to be the most important part of supplementation - the preventative and recovery supps. With any cycle I run, maybe 25-33% of my cycle cost is actually the PH's themselves, and the rest of my expenses are in the support supps - Formastanzol, N2Guard, Need2Slin, HCGenerate, Unleashed, Post Cycle, etc., etc. I will only do it the "right" way, or I don't bother running anything at all.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ and those are the guys that go on HRT early in life because they never learned the ABC's of cycling.

so they give up and just go on HRT and then continue to give advice to use nolva/clomid. some of the guys on here still giving that advice you read their other posts and they are on HRT!! doh! why the fuck would you give advice on PCT and cycling on and off when you yourself failed at it?

there was a very knowledgeable guy on here who used to post.. he hadn't come of juice in years, he decided to use nolva/clomid to try and recover after years on. and he argued his ass off that he didn't need supplements. i don't think it worked out too well for him

 

[Rockwilder]

I ran HCGenerate on cycle, and my boys were larger and fuller than they were off. It's the only product of it's kind that I can see, so I think it's worth the price.

 

[odadeo]

I am new to the website and this is my 1st post.Just purchased 2 bottles of HCG for $111.00 . That's $55.50 for each 150 tab bottle. If it works as advertised, this is a good value.

 

[muscleaddiction]

I am new to the website and this is my 1st post.Just purchased 2 bottles of HCG for $111.00 . That's $55.50 for each 150 tab bottle. If it works as advertised, this is a good value.

This is a great deal! Use HCGenerate on cycle, off cycle, whenever a need for plumpness!!!

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[Aussi muscle]

This is a great deal! Use HCGenerate on cycle, off cycle, whenever a need for plumpness!!!

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Why on every cycle are we advised to stop hcgenerate when we last pin ? is this because it would be a waste as our coconuts are plump enough ? Would recovery be even better if we went right through until end of pct ? Would really like to hear opinions on this, thanks

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ you shouldn't run hcgenerate for long periods of times straight.. says it right on the bottle actually. has to do with oversensitizing the leydig cells. now some people say its malarkey but i say why take the chance? it doesn't have to be run for long periods of times to do the job and i like to save guys money.

best way to run it would be on a long injectable cycle starting week 5 till the end. then swap in hcg/HMG as a blast. you save money that way and you also save from having to mix and store hcg for all those weeks as well. so its a win/win/win

 

[Aussi muscle]

^^^ you shouldn't run hcgenerate for long periods of times straight.. says it right on the bottle actually. has to do with oversensitizing the leydig cells. now some people say its malarkey but i say why take the chance? it doesn't have to be run for long periods of times to do the job and i like to save guys money.

best way to run it would be on a long injectable cycle starting week 5 till the end. then swap in hcg/HMG as a blast. you save money that way and you also save from having to mix and store hcg for all those weeks as well. so its a win/win/win

Fair enough and saving some money is allways good.
So if your on hcgenerate for 8 weeks is hcg blasts really necessary (12 week test e 500mg) and if so how would you dose it on weeks 13 and 14 ? (Sorry if I shouldn't be asking that here, could you PM your answer)

 

[noodles1010]

Fair enough and saving some money is allways good.
So if your on hcgenerate for 8 weeks is hcg blasts really necessary (12 week test e 500mg) and if so how would you dose it on weeks 13 and 14 ? (Sorry if I shouldn't be asking that here, could you PM your answer)

you could... it wouldn't really be necessary since they're both doing the same thing. if you're going to, blast 500iu 2x a week

 

[stevesmi]

Fair enough and saving some money is allways good.
So if your on hcgenerate for 8 weeks is hcg blasts really necessary (12 week test e 500mg) and if so how would you dose it on weeks 13 and 14 ? (Sorry if I shouldn't be asking that here, could you PM your answer)

well since typically hcg comes in 5000iu's then you would save money but blasting lets say 1000iu's 5X every 4 days. that would be one strategy.

what noodles says is another strategy.

there is no right or wrong way.. but again we go back to saving money.. when you blast you can use that entire 5000iu's and save the trouble of mixing more of it and storing it. hcgenerate meanwhile doesn't have to be stored in the fridge or mixed.. so its easier to use it on cycle and save the hcg blast for pre-pct. 2 caps 2X per day does the trick.