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What Palmeiro says makes sense

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just wander if his trainer could of game him roids. You know how a team trainer might be, wanting to make money and make his players big. He could be like take this vitamin.
Palmeiro was gonna retire and nothing to gain by taking roids after he testified
 
I can totally buy into the idea that an athlete would have no idea that the stuff his trainer or team-mates were injecting into his ass a couple of times a week might be a steroid
 
Tweakle said:
I can totally buy into the idea that an athlete would have no idea that the stuff his trainer or team-mates were injecting into his ass a couple of times a week might be a steroid
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lol

"what are you injecting in my ass" athlete says

"oh nothing, it's just oil to help your dry skin" Trainer says
 
i think it's simple. he knew it. was taking a compound which holds a long detection time and when he got tested again 6 months later he's positive again. i'd bet anything it's probably deca and some other type of test. ester.
 
i have to say that im pretty sure he is lying, unless we find out exactly what compound they found and yes ephedra is listed, otc cough meds with seudo ephedrine can fail u too but even still ephedrine has a 2 day clearance time so he must have recently taken it and thats just retarded in light of all this shit, he is either retarded or lying and neither will look too good
 
bro..he knew..come on now...he is in a sport filled with steriods..he didnt know what he was poppin? or injecting...he's not that stupid...
 
Do you think he could have taken an OTC supplement that had pro hormones? That could have caused a positive test. I agree that he would not have knowingly taken them after all the fuss. I'd say he took something that gave a false positive or as someone mentioned, he was taking deca or something that stays in you for a long time.
 
Outtlaw said:
I wish they'd make the results of the test public. That would solve all the the questions.
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True, but most people think creatine is a steroid, so it would mean very little to the general dumbfuck public.
 
and also hormones like dhea and androstene were also banned by baseball as well. it promoted your own body to make test levels higher so they viewed it as cheating. thats what mark maguire was supposedly taking. but for rafael to say, i dont know how it got in my system is bogus. i saw guys in the navy that popped positive for weed or coke and swear they didnt do it. the way the Navy works is if they like you they will allow you to retest and if it still comes back bad your super fucked. but they only retest if they like you, thats the key.
 
bigmann245 said:
and also hormones like dhea and androstene were also banned by baseball as well. it promoted your own body to make test levels higher so they viewed it as cheating. thats what mark maguire was supposedly taking. but for rafael to say, i dont know how it got in my system is bogus. i saw guys in the navy that popped positive for weed or coke and swear they didnt do it. the way the Navy works is if they like you they will allow you to retest and if it still comes back bad your super fucked. but they only retest if they like you, thats the key.
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That's why they should make the test public. If he tested positive for a substance like winstrol, then there are no excuses. You cant say you took a supplement that contained winstrol. Unless you have someone buy and mix your supplements for you and you have no idea what they put in them (like Barry Bonds :rolleyes: ).
 
MLB needed a big name guy to take the fall for an example to be set, still makes no sense at all to me in light of his age and near retirement why he wouldnt just give it up until he was out of the game....and as far as him NOT KNOWING what he was taking.....BS!!!!!
 
JThompson24 said:
just wander if his trainer could of game him roids. You know how a team trainer might be, wanting to make money and make his players big. He could be like take this vitamin.
Palmeiro was gonna retire and nothing to gain by taking roids after he testified
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If a trainier is injecting stuff into you , wouldn't the first question you would ask is "WTF is that?"
 
They always claim ignorance, no one ever just comes out with the truth. The general public can't deal with the truth. These athletes are told what to say by others, it's not of their own volition. It's just part of the politics. Yes, he knew he was juicing.
 
If you had an alergy to peanuts and you would die if you ate them... would you not read the label?
So why wouldn't a pro athlete read the label when they know how serious this situation is?
Palmero tested positive for deca. Since when is that an oral?
 
now this pitcher got banned, too and he says something similar like "i got it at the health food store, i had no idea what was in it, i am never taking another vitamin again, i swear!!"

these guys with their BS stories it is unbelievable hopefully joe public is not that stupid
 
slat1 said:
If you had an alergy to peanuts and you would die if you ate them... would you not read the label?
So why wouldn't a pro athlete read the label when they know how serious this situation is?
Palmero tested positive for deca. Since when is that an oral?
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Where did you read it was deca?
 
Listen to his quote "It was an accident, and I'm paying the price", yeah he was walking around his house when he tripped and by accident a syringe with deca poked his ass and magically the oil went thru lol. BS I know Canseco is a scum bag for being a rat but this just gave the man more speak power after all he is not all bullshit!!
 
I heard that the name of the substance could not be released because of a clause in the players union contract or some bullshit like that..so he was either taking an OTC that had components that were banned..or he was actually using gear..either way it's fucking stupid..
Look, us joe fuckin' everyday bust your ass in the gym guys have to go thru hell to get gear, these guys can fly anywhere on the globe to meet with the best Drs., get pharm grade gear,be monitered, hell probably a 10+ nurse injects and then pulls her panties off for a go...
every bro on this forum knows damn near to the fucking mg. what is going in your body, right?
all I'm saying is the rules are bullshit because if you take an OTC allergy pill, you could test pos., but anything other than that these boys know...I love aas, but I don't get tested for it..I also used to love to smoke the herb, well guess what, I get tested for that, so I don't do it..because in the real world we have "truley random" tests...just a thought bros
 
Dieselgoku23 said:
Listen to his quote "It was an accident, and I'm paying the price", yeah he was walking around his house when he tripped and by accident a syringe with deca poked his ass and magically the oil went thru lol. BS I know Canseco is a scum bag for being a rat but this just gave the man more speak power after all he is not all bullshit!!
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If it is a nandrolone, he could have been off for a year and tested positive for nandrolone metabolites. Also, some people have tested positive for nandrolone and all they were doing was ingesting a particular protein supplement. If you eat a lot of pork, you can test positive for nandrolone. His argument is plausible to me. But, I think he used deca in the past and the metabolites were still present. I mean THIS GUY IS THE NATIONAL SPOKESMAN FOR VIAGRA!! HE KNOWS A THING OR TWO ABOUT DECA DICK.
 
slat1 said:
If you had an alergy to peanuts and you would die if you ate them... would you not read the label?
So why wouldn't a pro athlete read the label when they know how serious this situation is?
Palmero tested positive for deca. Since when is that an oral?
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Report just came out that he tested positive for winstrol.
 
silverbackn said:
They always claim ignorance, no one ever just comes out with the truth. The general public can't deal with the truth.
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agreed. he is being advised to take this stance. deny, deny, deny. maybe the controversy will just blow over till next scandal. this guy has a lot to lose by being honest. look what happened to fallen legend mark mcguire.

he tested positive for nandrolen (sp) aka deca. had to be injected.
 
Mookie said:
Report just came out that he tested positive for winstrol.
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He could easily say it was slipped to him orally. I would deny deny deny. This fucking rule is gay anyway. I can't wait until they change the phrase to: Baseball, Apple Pie and Anabolics... The American way.
 
ass_face said:
He could easily say it was slipped to him orally. I would deny deny deny. This fucking rule is gay anyway. I can't wait until they change the phrase to: Baseball, Apple Pie and Anabolics... The American way.
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He could say it, but no ones gonna buy it. He could've gone that route if he tested positive because of the stuff in some medications, but not winstrol.
 
Outtlaw said:
He could say it, but no ones gonna buy it. He could've gone that route if he tested positive because of the stuff in some medications, but not winstrol.
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I don't know why these pussies just don't ADMIT IT!!! Damn, all they get is a freaking 10 game suspension 1st time offense, shit! I have no respect for anyone who denies it, period.
 
Outtlaw said:
He could say it, but no ones gonna buy it. He could've gone that route if he tested positive because of the stuff in some medications, but not winstrol.
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Thats not the point... we all know it is a lie, but when talking about being in the Hall of Fame and not being in the Hall. It is better to lie. Honesty gets you nowhere with the general public. As long as people can have some doubt as to the legitimacy of this test it is enough to allow Palmeiro to make the Hall. If he comes completely clean, he is fucked.
 
ass_face said:
Thats not the point... we all know it is a lie, but when talking about being in the Hall of Fame and not being in the Hall. It is better to lie. Honesty gets you nowhere with the general public. As long as people can have some doubt as to the legitimacy of this test it is enough to allow Palmeiro to make the Hall. If he comes completely clean, he is fucked.
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Who cares about the damn hall of fame...no one will let him live down lying about juicing even AFTER he's caught first off, AND doing it in the middle of "the season not to juice", he dug his own grave bro. ALOT of current players as well as pretty much ALL veterans are pissed as hell that these guys juice/juiced. Listen to an ESPN game, er'body's pissed at these idiots who cannot give up the juice for the love of the game. They aren't bb'ers like many of us...juice has its place and that's with us only IMO. I hope Palmeiro keeps lying and doesn't play another game this year...this 3,000 hit thing was cool until he LIED again....remember he 1st lied in front of congress..what a freaking piece of work that man is. Dont get me wrong, juice was NOT illegal in baseball up until recent. So I have no way of proving who did and didn't from the year 1900-2000 except for those who have been PROVEN GUILTY. Once it became illegal in the sport of baseball, those who fail to follow these rules should be blackballed hard...
 
detroitbodybuildertigers said:
Who cares about the damn hall of fame...no one will let him live down lying about juicing even AFTER he's caught first off, AND doing it in the middle of "the season not to juice", he dug his own grave bro. ALOT of current players as well as pretty much ALL veterans are pissed as hell that these guys juice/juiced. Listen to an ESPN game, er'body's pissed at these idiots who cannot give up the juice for the love of the game. They aren't bb'ers like many of us...juice has its place and that's with us only IMO. I hope Palmeiro keeps lying and doesn't play another game this year...this 3,000 hit thing was cool until he LIED again....remember he 1st lied in front of congress..what a freaking piece of work that man is. Dont get me wrong, juice was NOT illegal in baseball up until recent. So I have no way of proving who did and didn't from the year 1900-2000 except for those who have been PROVEN GUILTY. Once it became illegal in the sport of baseball, those who fail to follow these rules should be blackballed hard...
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Bro, you are a fucking idiot. You think doing steroids is cheating. The whole premise of your argument is based upon a fallacy.
:rolleyes:
 
natty said:
Where did you read it was deca?
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It was in an early report yesterday. Since then a insider on the testing has come out and said it was actually Winstrol.
 
The particular substance was listed as Stanolozol. I believe that is Australian Winstrol in liquid form. That is the only way I have seen it.
Either way Palmero is an ass for going infront of Congress and sticking his finger out and lying.
He may be in deap shit too. The was appealed. So it is possible he tested positive before testifying infront of Congress. If he lied under oath he is looking at jail time!!!
 
slat1 said:
The particular substance was listed as Stanolozol. I believe that is Australian Winstrol in liquid form. That is the only way I have seen it.
Either way Palmero is an ass for going infront of Congress and sticking his finger out and lying.
He may be in deap shit too. The was appealed. So it is possible he tested positive before testifying infront of Congress. If he lied under oath he is looking at jail time!!!
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Stanozolol is the actual name of Winstrol. No one has a patent on that name.

Also, Fuck congress. Those shit bags need to concern themselves with real issues.
 
ass_face said:
Bro, you are a fucking idiot. You think doing steroids is cheating. The whole premise of your argument is based upon a fallacy.
:rolleyes:
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DUUUUHH, doing steroids in baseball IS CHEATING AND ILLEGAL. Your response is based on someon who played varsity ping pong in highschool ;)
 
JThompson24 said:
just wander if his trainer could of game him roids. You know how a team trainer might be, wanting to make money and make his players big. He could be like take this vitamin.
Palmeiro was gonna retire and nothing to gain by taking roids after he testified
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Bullshit!!!

He knew exactly what he was doing. At 39, abit of Winnie goes a long way to keeping you in the game. The average Goon on the street may believe his lies, but we know exactly what he did.

Go away and take a reality check for yourself!
 
People actually believe Palmeiro did not know what he was taking??? lmaooo

Talk about naive, ignorant, foolish....

I bet you are all the same people who believed Fonz had 20 inch arms. :rolleyes:
 
detroitbodybuildertigers said:
DUUUUHH, doing steroids in baseball IS CHEATING AND ILLEGAL. Your response is based on someon who played varsity ping pong in highschool ;)
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Your response is based on someone with limited education and an inability to think.

Steroids are not cheating. Is eating extra food cheating? Is taking vitamins cheating? If baseball were truly interested in fairness, all players would be on a steady diet of bologna sandwiches and milk... no other foods allowed. Then... everyone would be on the same playing field.

Only in the last 50 years has ingesting a substance, become cheating. It is a moronic concept. It is technology. Equipment, training and supplementation progress and become the norm. Steroids are supplementation. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
ass_face said:
Your response is based on someone with limited education and an inability to think.

Steroids are not cheating. Is eating extra food cheating? Is taking vitamins cheating? If baseball were truly interested in fairness, all players would be on a steady diet of bologna sandwiches and milk... no other foods allowed. Then... everyone would be on the same playing field.

Only in the last 50 years has ingesting a substance, become cheating. It is a moronic concept. It is technology. Equipment, training and supplementation progress and become the norm. Steroids are supplementation. Nothing more, nothing less.
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I see your point in that if your a useless MoFo on the pitch, no amount of AAS will make your perfornmance better. Otherwise we'd all be playing MLB!!!

However, to describe AAS as supplements is totally incorrect. Winnie is a very potent drug and something that no amount of creatine, Vitamins etc could come close to in terms of strength and explosion gains. Some Bros say "make juice legal,Period2 but this is also poor as 1 Gram of Test is better than 500mg etc. The only way to keep it fair is to keep AAS out of sport.

Just how serious they are about doing that is another matter.....
 
ass_face said:
Your response is based on someone with limited education and an inability to think.

Steroids are not cheating. Is eating extra food cheating? Is taking vitamins cheating? If baseball were truly interested in fairness, all players would be on a steady diet of bologna sandwiches and milk... no other foods allowed. Then... everyone would be on the same playing field.

Only in the last 50 years has ingesting a substance, become cheating. It is a moronic concept. It is technology. Equipment, training and supplementation progress and become the norm. Steroids are supplementation. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Steroids are illegal in baseball ass-face, that is cheating. What is your major malfunction on that one Sgt. Pile? Not hot dogs, bologna and milk. Your argument is based on a boy who is on his first cycle and doesn't realize that steroids are far more potent then B-12, creatine, pro hormones etc. and if EVERYONE in baseball were allowed to take them, then Bonds, Sosa would hit 80-90 jacks a year.
 
If i was palmerio I'd say i was gonna have a chick fuck for a buck and I popped the wrong pill instead of the my viagra it was winny, damn! My bad so mr. selig can i please be let off?
 
detroitbodybuildertigers said:
Steroids are illegal in baseball ass-face, that is cheating. What is your major malfunction on that one Sgt. Pile? Not hot dogs, bologna and milk. Your argument is based on a boy who is on his first cycle and doesn't realize that steroids are far more potent then B-12, creatine, pro hormones etc. and if EVERYONE in baseball were allowed to take them, then Bonds, Sosa would hit 80-90 jacks a year.
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Moron, I have done about 15 cycles. I am 240 pounds, 7% bodyfat and I have ZERO health problems. Never did. Steroids are potent, but harmless when taken correctly.

I can see I am arguing with idiots on here. The potency has nothing to do with what steroids are or are not. They are a supplement.

Also, there is no way to ever get them out of sports. A chemical engineer can simply slightly alter a carbon bond here or a hydrogen bond there and voila... a new undetectable steroid. What do you think THG was? Wait until gene manipulation becomes the norm.... it is unstoppable.

You can not stop progress. Pharmacology, and genetic manipulation are progress. Fighting it is as useless as the RIAA trying to stop MP3 sharing. It is the future... either adapt or become a dinosaur and die.
 
ass_face said:
Moron, I have done about 15 cycles. I am 240 pounds, 7% bodyfat and I have ZERO health problems. Never did. Steroids are potent, but harmless when taken correctly.

I can see I am arguing with idiots on here. The potency has nothing to do with what steroids are or are not. They are a supplement.

Also, there is no way to ever get them out of sports. A chemical engineer can simply slightly alter a carbon bond here or a hydrogen bond there and voila... a new undetectable steroid. What do you think THG was? Wait until gene manipulation becomes the norm.... it is unstoppable.

You can not stop progress. Pharmacology, and genetic manipulation are progress. Fighting it is as useless as the RIAA trying to stop MP3 sharing. It is the future... either adapt or become a dinosaur and die.
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Youve got to be kidding me, can't get steroids outta baseball? UMMMM get out of the hole you live in and ask Palmeiro why he's not playing tonight or tomorrow. Were talking baseball here idiot, not powerlifting, track and field, swimming, archery or whatever you play. Baseball, they are cracking down and NE1 caught is disciplined and blackballed by ME. 15 cycles my ass :rolleyes: face
 
Performance enhancing drugs have been a part of athletics since the beginning of sport. They are not going away...you can't "get them out of the game" All that congress, the professional sports organization & probably the biased media care about is the perception of their respective sports & whether they are perceived as clean/dirty.

The fact is these substances work & their is way too much $$$ at stake for athletes to be on the moral high horse & not use & try to beat the tests. It was 18 yrs ago in 88' when Ben Johnson failed his test. Track n Field then implemented the most rigorous testing program. Fast forward 18yrs later & athletes are still using. The only reason Barry Bonds, Giambi & the other BALCO related athletes got busted was because Tim Montgomery & Marion Jones ex coach felt slighted & sent in an "anonymous" vile of THG. You could make the arguement if Coach Graham doesn't send in the vile then all this hoopla is not happening.

I am not one to paint w/broad strokes & say 90% of all pro athletes use, that's preposterous...The majority of pro athletes are genetic freaks (especially NFL, NBA, Track & Field) No amount of drugs or training would allow the avg. joe to even come close. Regardless EPO, Designer steroids, HGH & whatever UG chemists drub up will always be the dirty little secret nobody wants to talk about. Face it guys use in the NFL, they use in the NHL, Boxing, NBA, & throughout other sports.

Raffy is doing what all the Olympic Athletes did when they have failed the test, blame it on a food supplement/cough medicine or their trainer. I realize that it would send a horrible message to HS athletes & kids but sometimes I think the only way to level the field is to not have any banned substances.

Sorry for the rant- I realize most bro's on this board know these points but i am tired of the media & the avg person getting this subject so very very wrong-

Peace
Nmd
 
nomad05 said:
Performance enhancing drugs have been a part of athletics since the beginning of sport. They are not going away...you can't "get them out of the game" All that congress, the professional sports organization & probably the biased media care about is the perception of their respective sports & whether they are perceived as clean/dirty.

The fact is these substances work & their is way too much $$$ at stake for athletes to be on the moral high horse & not use & try to beat the tests. It was 18 yrs ago in 88' when Ben Johnson failed his test. Track n Field then implemented the most rigorous testing program. Fast forward 18yrs later & athletes are still using. The only reason Barry Bonds, Giambi & the other BALCO related athletes got busted was because Tim Montgomery & Marion Jones ex coach felt slighted & sent in an "anonymous" vile of THG. You could make the arguement if Coach Graham doesn't send in the vile then all this hoopla is not happening.

I am not one to paint w/broad strokes & say 90% of all pro athletes use, that's preposterous...The majority of pro athletes are genetic freaks (especially NFL, NBA, Track & Field) No amount of drugs or training would allow the avg. joe to even come close. Regardless EPO, Designer steroids, HGH & whatever UG chemists drub up will always be the dirty little secret nobody wants to talk about. Face it guys use in the NFL, they use in the NHL, Boxing, NBA, & throughout other sports.

Raffy is doing what all the Olympic Athletes did when they have failed the test, blame it on a food supplement/cough medicine or their trainer. I realize that it would send a horrible message to HS athletes & kids but sometimes I think the only way to level the field is to not have any banned substances.

Sorry for the rant- I realize most bro's on this board know these points but i am tired of the media & the avg person getting this subject so very very wrong-

Peace
Nmd
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Karma to you... I agree.
 
ass_face said:
Moron, I have done about 15 cycles. I am 240 pounds, 7% bodyfat and I have ZERO health problems. Never did. Steroids are potent, but harmless when taken correctly.

I can see I am arguing with idiots on here. The potency has nothing to do with what steroids are or are not. They are a supplement.
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From what I recall, the word supplement is short for dietary supplement which are things you take to replace or get additional foods/vitamins/minerals. Steroids are a drug. You cant get them from food, and the reason one might think of them as a supplement is because they are so often associated with supplements, as many people use them in conjunction with supplements.
 
detroitbodybuildertigers said:
Youve got to be kidding me, can't get steroids outta baseball? UMMMM get out of the hole you live in and ask Palmeiro why he's not playing tonight or tomorrow. Were talking baseball here idiot, not powerlifting, track and field, swimming, archery or whatever you play. Baseball, they are cracking down and NE1 caught is disciplined and blackballed by ME. 15 cycles my ass :rolleyes: face
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Asshole... a sport is a sport. What is the fucking difference. Is baseball on a pedestal? You make very little sense. Are you purposely this stupid?

I just guessed on the cycles it is probably over 20. I only do 5 weekers... so I am just estimating. I make my own anabolics, so I can do whatever cycle I want when I want. I laugh when I see people buying mexican garbage. Just make it yourself and insure you are getting the proper dose and the correct substance.
 
Outtlaw said:
From what I recall, the word supplement is short for dietary supplement which are things you take to replace or get additional foods/vitamins/minerals. Steroids are a drug. You cant get them from food, and the reason one might think of them as a supplement is because they are so often associated with supplements, as many people use them in conjunction with supplements.
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Well, if you go by the archaic definition... true. They are not a supplement. I look at things a little differently. Any substance that makes you perform better, is a supplement in my eyes. Whether it be classified as a drug, a mineral, an herb or whatever. Everything is made up of molecules... so it is hard for me to label certain molecules as evil or cheating and others as not.
 
detroitbodybuildertigers said:
ouch those 3 neg. karma hits hurt bad ass face :rolleyes:
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Here is a pic Detroit Douchebagteabagger...

This is from last Summer. I was 231... at 6-7%. I am a bigger now, but haven't bothered to take pics.

mattb9eg.gif


Cut and paste the link, because it won't hotlink.
 
ass_face said:
Your response is based on someone with limited education and an inability to think.

Steroids are not cheating. Is eating extra food cheating? Is taking vitamins cheating? If baseball were truly interested in fairness, all players would be on a steady diet of bologna sandwiches and milk... no other foods allowed. Then... everyone would be on the same playing field.

Only in the last 50 years has ingesting a substance, become cheating. It is a moronic concept. It is technology. Equipment, training and supplementation progress and become the norm. Steroids are supplementation. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Steroids are not allowed in MLB so that is cheating.
 
ass_face said:
Well, if you go by the archaic definition... true. They are not a supplement. I look at things a little differently. Any substance that makes you perform better, is a supplement in my eyes. Whether it be classified as a drug, a mineral, an herb or whatever. Everything is made up of molecules... so it is hard for me to label certain molecules as evil or cheating and others as not.
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Agreed. I dont see suppliments and drugs as evil or cheating in a moral sense. The reason people consider it cheating in baseball now is because they recently made a rule about it making it illegal. 2-3yrs ago it was all considered part of the game.
 
Outtlaw said:
Agreed. I dont see suppliments and drugs as evil or cheating in a moral sense. The reason people consider it cheating in baseball now is because they recently made a rule about it making it illegal. 2-3yrs ago it was all considered part of the game.
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I think that we both agree in the overall sense. I can read the paper and see the idiotic rules that congressmen and smallminded individuals have made. But it does not change my opionion one iota on the overall morality of steroid use. My biggest problem is I see the world as it should be and anyone who makes a law or rule I disagree with, I will simply ignore it... or circumvent it.
 
ass_face said:
Here is a pic Detroit Douchebagteabagger...

This is from last Summer. I was 231... at 6-7%. I am a bigger now, but haven't bothered to take pics.

mattb9eg.gif


Cut and paste the link, because it won't hotlink.
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you look EXACTLY like an old member from here, unless he is you ??
 
rjl296 said:
you look EXACTLY like an old member from here, unless he is you ??
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It is me... I used to be the Eviscerator, then I lost my handle because of inactivity. I just figured... fuck it... I am an assface.
 
i'll tell you what, i think when they test posi its because they think they are clear for a test and they are not, that simple.
 
ass_face said:
It is me... I used to be the Eviscerator, then I lost my handle because of inactivity. I just figured... fuck it... I am an assface.
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ok, your
calves are still better than mine too then lol
 
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