What league am I in?

[musclemom]

i guess once i find my little spot, i dont like to move. awhile ago I came onto these forums back when i used to workout. I was in sports and cared about the sports and I also wanted to workout to look good because i knew that would give me an advantage with women.

eventually when highschool and sports ended for me, and when i got tired of working out for women (which didnt help me get any) i burnt out and almost completely stopped working out. but ive stuck around here since, the rest is history.

See, SEE RIGHT THERE that's where you're screwed up, you simple shit. You're looking at relationships like this is some sort of game of Stratego.

You're not hooking because of how you look, I've seen a lot funnier looking guys have a nice girlfried. The goofiest looking guy on EARTH can have a nice girlfriend IF HE HAS A PERSONALITY!

True story, I'm gonna give you a pearl of MM wisdom:

When I was 17/18 I was dating a very attractive guy (shit this guy was H-O-T). My best friend was dating HIS best friend, who was like 6'3", weighed ABOUT 145, had bad hair, bad skin, and a HUGE nose. The guy I was dating was a knockout, but shy. His buddy was down right FUNNY looking, and had NO trouble scoring and ALWAYS had a good looking girlfriend. He had one of the nicest personalities, he was thoughtful, a terrific conversationalist, funny as hell, a genuine pleasure to be around. Everyone liked him.

That was when I made my big "breakthrough" when it comes to men and women:

1. Any girl can get a guy, she just has to be easy, either easy on the eyes or an easy lay. Sooner or later, she's bound to run across a guy who's happy with that. I once met a couple that literally met at a gangbang and she was pulling a train.

2. Any guy can get a girl, he just has to have EITHER looks or personality. Doesn't matter WHICH. The goofiest looking bastard on earth can find a woman, if he has a nice personality. Hot guys don't need a good personality because, much like the easy girl, sooner or later they will find a woman who is totally content to be with a guy who is JUST THAT GOOD LOOKING.

3. The first two are extreme cases. Most humans fall somewhere in the middle. When you're particularly UNattractive you generally have to cultivate a skill to attract a mate, but it's NOT impossible. When you're "average" you need to have a balance. You need to have a half way decent personality to offset the fact you're not Brad Pitt or Angelina Jolie, in other words.

Healother, you are a perfectly normal looking young man. Clearly the reason you don't have a girlfriend is that your personality utterly sucks. It's why you get bombed and everyone's sick of you here. And I'll tell you what I've seen here on the boards:

You're whiney. Girls don't like that.

You're probably sending as many mixed signals in real life as you do on this board. Girls don't like that.

You're 23 with no plans, dreams or ambitions. The real reason you live with your parents is that you have no goals. Girls don't trust that, that makes you sound like your 13 not 23.

You sound like you have no ambition, no drive. NOBODY likes that.

In short, you're an average looking dude, with a piss poor attitude, who's just drifting through his life pissing and moaning about how none of any of this is his fault. Yeah, that's real attractive. You want to attract a nice girl and THAT's what you're OFFERING?!? Get a frigging grip.

Don't blame this on Christianity, or women, or your virginity. Put the blame squarely where it belongs, YOU. Now do something about it and FIX it. Get some frigging help, talk to a qualified professional, maybe get on some meds and stop being such a whiny bore ass drippy milksop.

 

[sardonicone]

If I made an alter, it would be of this ultra cool guy who is nothing like me.

 

[Gambino]

as far as leagues go,
i would say you tried out for t-ball, but you got cut.

 

[nefertiti]

Harsh truth, and I'll be repeating some of what musclemom says: Your league sucks because your attitude sucks. You look ok, as others have mentioned you have a nice jawline. HOWEVER, combine that with everything I see here and we are not looking at an overall attractive package. I'm a good looking girl, and I've dated guys that could model for Calvin Klein and I've dated guys that aren't even half as attractive as you. One had big ears, a big nose, red har, and freckles all over the place. But truth be told, I was crazy about him because he was fun, HILARIOUS, passionate, confident, and sweet to me.

Bottom line, you seem like you have no direction, no confidence, no swagger, you look ok but reek of desperation.

The cure: Find something you are passionate about. If you have no interests, FIND some. Get into something. While you're there, you'll meet other women who are passionate about that thing too. But don't do it for the women, do it for YOU. They will just fall into place.

Work out. Again, not for the women. For YOU. As your body reshapes as a result of your hard work, you will begin to feel better about yourself. You will carry yourself differently. Women will notice. Again...don't do it so they'll notice, do it for YOU and the rest will just happen.

Be proactive about your life. You are in the driver seat, act like it.

 

[musclemom]

Harsh truth, and I'll be repeating some of what musclemom says: Your league sucks because your attitude sucks. You look ok, as others have mentioned you have a nice jawline. HOWEVER, combine that with everything I see here and we are not looking at an overall attractive package. I'm a good looking girl, and I've dated guys that could model for Calvin Klein and I've dated guys that aren't even half as attractive as you. One had big ears, a big nose, red har, and freckles all over the place. But truth be told, I was crazy about him because he was fun, HILARIOUS, passionate, confident, and sweet to me.

Bottom line, you seem like you have no direction, no confidence, no swagger, you look ok but reek of desperation.

The cure: Find something you are passionate about. If you have no interests, FIND some. Get into something. While you're there, you'll meet other women who are passionate about that thing too. But don't do it for the women, do it for YOU. They will just fall into place.

Work out. Again, not for the women. For YOU. As your body reshapes as a result of your hard work, you will begin to feel better about yourself. You will carry yourself differently. Women will notice. Again...don't do it so they'll notice, do it for YOU and the rest will just happen.

Be proactive about your life. You are in the driver seat, act like it.

^^^^ WHAT SHE SAID!!!

You have to do it for you! When you're happy in your life, a person who will be happy to be WITH you will literally fall into your lap.

I dont have much of a social life, or many interests.

Fix that ^^^ first.

For heaven's sake, if you're such a good Christian, find a nice bible study group! What is WRONG with you? There are plenty of churchs that have regular dinners, get togethers, summer retreats, shit like that.

If it's important to you to be involved with a female who has similar ethical/spiritual beliefs, you ain't gonna find her in a bar or club, numbnuts, you find her at a church picnic

 

[healother]

your league sucks

you need to join a new one

do what i said in PMs

yia

Ok so watch the david deangelo series? I dont mind taking advice from a guy, but i wont do anything that involves lying to women or deceiving them. Honesty is a part of my dignity and i wont lose that for a woman.

It's going well. I'm engaged and have regular great sex.... I was shy with women as well and didn't have a gf until I was 18. I had lots of one night stands in my early 20's, but didn't have another serious gf until I was 24 and I married her. I had a great body too, but it didn't get me laid as often as I thought, because I was too shy. Sounds like the only thing that really important to you is landing that perfect woman for you. Keep trying, it's worth the effort.

thanks, thats an encouraging story from you. ill keep trying. do you regret having sex all those times in your early 20s?

I suggest you return to the gym and workout again
improve your physique not as a means to impress woman,but to enhance your moods and health
and perhaps try chatting up a gal in the gym who is likely there for similar purposes
instead of hustling pussy in a nightclub

i heard the gym is the worst place to meet women cuz most women there have their guard up and dont want to meet a guy but just want to workout.

i mean why else are all these 'women only' gyms becoming such a fad?

See, SEE RIGHT THERE that's where you're screwed up, you simple shit. You're looking at relationships like this is some sort of game of Stratego.

You're not hooking because of how you look, I've seen a lot funnier looking guys have a nice girlfried. The goofiest looking guy on EARTH can have a nice girlfriend IF HE HAS A PERSONALITY!

True story, I'm gonna give you a pearl of MM wisdom:

When I was 17/18 I was dating a very attractive guy (shit this guy was H-O-T). My best friend was dating HIS best friend, who was like 6'3", weighed ABOUT 145, had bad hair, bad skin, and a HUGE nose. The guy I was dating was a knockout, but shy. His buddy was down right FUNNY looking, and had NO trouble scoring and ALWAYS had a good looking girlfriend. He had one of the nicest personalities, he was thoughtful, a terrific conversationalist, funny as hell, a genuine pleasure to be around. Everyone liked him.

That was when I made my big "breakthrough" when it comes to men and women:

1. Any girl can get a guy, she just has to be easy, either easy on the eyes or an easy lay. Sooner or later, she's bound to run across a guy who's happy with that. I once met a couple that literally met at a gangbang and she was pulling a train.

2. Any guy can get a girl, he just has to have EITHER looks or personality. Doesn't matter WHICH. The goofiest looking bastard on earth can find a woman, if he has a nice personality. Hot guys don't need a good personality because, much like the easy girl, sooner or later they will find a woman who is totally content to be with a guy who is JUST THAT GOOD LOOKING.

3. The first two are extreme cases. Most humans fall somewhere in the middle. When you're particularly UNattractive you generally have to cultivate a skill to attract a mate, but it's NOT impossible. When you're "average" you need to have a balance. You need to have a half way decent personality to offset the fact you're not Brad Pitt or Angelina Jolie, in other words.

Healother, you are a perfectly normal looking young man. Clearly the reason you don't have a girlfriend is that your personality utterly sucks. It's why you get bombed and everyone's sick of you here. And I'll tell you what I've seen here on the boards:

You're whiney. Girls don't like that.

You're probably sending as many mixed signals in real life as you do on this board. Girls don't like that.

You're 23 with no plans, dreams or ambitions. The real reason you live with your parents is that you have no goals. Girls don't trust that, that makes you sound like your 13 not 23.

You sound like you have no ambition, no drive. NOBODY likes that.

In short, you're an average looking dude, with a piss poor attitude, who's just drifting through his life pissing and moaning about how none of any of this is his fault. Yeah, that's real attractive. You want to attract a nice girl and THAT's what you're OFFERING?!? Get a frigging grip.

Don't blame this on Christianity, or women, or your virginity. Put the blame squarely where it belongs, YOU. Now do something about it and FIX it. Get some frigging help, talk to a qualified professional, maybe get on some meds and stop being such a whiny bore ass drippy milksop.

my personality is just fine. Im sorry but i bring all my problems to this board, which is why this board is sick of me. in real life i dont pester people like that if i like them, because i want to either become tight with them, make her my girlfriend or whatever.

my dreams right now are to move out. and to meet a woman.
why should i worry about being whiney on here? its not like im going to meet you people in real life, so who am i trying to impress? This is where i leave all my baggage, and get all the whininess out of my system so i dont have to take it into the real world with me.
its just a forum for fucks sakes.

anyways, thanks for at least offering good advice this time instead of telling me to commit suicide.

 

[calveless wonder]

what a retard.....i have no sympathy people who have no desire to improve themselves or better themselves. It's the basic principle of life. if you're not living this is, you might as well be dead.
i always root for and try to help underdog, but some people just don't get it.

Your frame of mind sucks.
What you don't understand is the motivation behind everything is what makes it true to self or not.

Step into this world for a second.
Why do i work out and eat well? Because it makes me healthy, it's fun, and i enjoy pushing myself to its limits. The fact the body is in good shape is a result of that.
Why am i passionate about my career? Because i help people, i'm fuckin good at it and i enjoy interacting with people. The money( which is amazing) is a byproduct of that.
Why do i dress nice and make sure i always look fresh? Because i wouldn't be doing my body or myself justice by wearing some shitty clothing.

it's about doing things because you respect yourself, not trying to impress other people. Don't focus on the end result...because you'll never be truly motivated. You'll never get a chick thinking the way you are. And your existence is a conflict alone because of your jaded religious views.

And another thing..you don't have to lie or deceive women to get them. You just have to understand how attraction works. You obviously don't, so work on it.

"Poor is the man who pleasures depend on the permission of others"

 

[healother]

as far as leagues go,
i would say you tried out for t-ball, but you got cut.

so basically right now im only elligible to fuck a Hippopotamus?

Bottom line, you seem like you have no direction, no confidence, no swagger, you look ok but reek of desperation.

The cure: Find something you are passionate about. If you have no interests, FIND some. Get into something. While you're there, you'll meet other women who are passionate about that thing too. But don't do it for the women, do it for YOU. They will just fall into place.

Work out. Again, not for the women. For YOU. As your body reshapes as a result of your hard work, you will begin to feel better about yourself. You will carry yourself differently. Women will notice. Again...don't do it so they'll notice, do it for YOU and the rest will just happen.

Be proactive about your life. You are in the driver seat, act like it.

ok, if i get involved in passions and interests though, i need to at least pick ones that can be easily shared with other people too, right?
i dont want to pick a hobby like dungeons and dragons, or video games, or something that turns me into a social recluse.
And i want to have a hobby that can be shared with men and women easily.

lets face it we cant be happy all alone, we need friends at least to be happy.

^^^^ WHAT SHE SAID!!!

You have to do it for you! When you're happy in your life, a person who will be happy to be WITH you will literally fall into your lap.

Fix that ^^^ first.

For heaven's sake, if you're such a good Christian, find a nice bible study group! What is WRONG with you? There are plenty of churchs that have regular dinners, get togethers, summer retreats, shit like that.

If it's important to you to be involved with a female who has similar ethical/spiritual beliefs, you ain't gonna find her in a bar or club, numbnuts, you find her at a church picnic

Yeah, the bible study ones can be good, but when they say no kissing til marriage that turns me off.

also the thing about the club, is that its a great achievement if i can go and succeed at attracting girls on the dance floor, or just be able to ask a hot girl for her number and hangout with her, etc. i want to be desired. i want to make myself more attractive.

what a retard.....i have no sympathy people who have no desire to improve themselves or better themselves. It's the basic principle of life. if you're not living this is, you might as well be dead.
i always root for and try to help underdog, but some people just don't get it.

Your frame of mind sucks.
What you don't understand is the motivation behind everything is what makes it true to self or not.

Step into this world for a second.
Why do i work out and eat well? Because it makes me healthy, it's fun, and i enjoy pushing myself to its limits. The fact the body is in good shape is a result of that.
Why am i passionate about my career? Because i help people, i'm fuckin good at it and i enjoy interacting with people. The money( which is amazing) is a byproduct of that.
Why do i dress nice and make sure i always look fresh? Because i wouldn't be doing my body or myself justice by wearing some shitty clothing.

it's about doing things because you respect yourself, not trying to impress other people. Don't focus on the end result...because you'll never be truly motivated. You'll never get a chick thinking the way you are. And your existence is a conflict alone because of your jaded religious views.

And another thing..you don't have to lie or deceive women to get them. You just have to understand how attraction works. You obviously don't, so work on it.

"Poor is the man who pleasures depend on the permission of others"

the way i am trying to improve my life right now is by scoring an attractive woman. thats the big thing on my radar.

the thing about doing things for only ourselves is that its great up until we realize that we are alone.

humans werent meant to be on this earth alone.

what do you suggest i do, spend 100% of my time by myself? THen i would know for sure that i am only doing things for myself and not other people.

 

[musclemom]

so basically right now im only elligible to fuck a Hippopotamus?

Okay, first of all fat chicks need love too, and guess what, there's plenty of guys who LIKE to date the thicker ones because a) they're not all neurotic about "Am I Thin Enough?" and b) Its fun to go out with a girl who enjoys her food and drink as much as a guy does.

My son went through a phase where he was just bringing home bigger girls. Told me they were nicer and they were more fun.

ok, if i get involved in passions and interests though, i need to at least pick ones that can be easily shared with other people too, right?
i dont want to pick a hobby like dungeons and dragons, or video games, or something that turns me into a social recluse.
And i want to have a hobby that can be shared with men and women easily.

lets face it we cant be happy all alone, we need friends at least to be happy.

Told you, church related group activities. There's tons of christian based stuff, you just start searching. Bible study, youth groups, volunteer stuff, Christian retreats.

Don't tell me pagans do stuff that Christians don't? Our whole spirituality revolves around group activities if you want to be involved in that aspect (some people choose to be solitares). Our rituals are communal, we eat communally after ritual. Then we periodically get together and do retreats, sweat lodges, educational weekends, etc.

 

[calveless wonder]

This is guy is either an alter, a complete moron, or just likes to fuck with us....
i give up.
no one can be this pathetic...i've had some friends in the past that weren't the most socially adept, but jesus....at least they were receptive in changing.

you come online for a message board and ask for advice but yet you don't listen to the advice anybody gives you and refute everything.

so go ahead, live the same pathetic existence you've been living until you wake up when you're 32 years old in your parents basement and realize "wow, maybe those guys on elitefitness had something right".

and you wonder why you never get laid.

wanna get laid now? GO find someone with as zero self respect as yourself. Just wear protection because we don't need an anti christ

YOU WILL NEVER SCORE WITH A HOT GIRL UNLESS YOU DRUG HER OR RAPE HER.. WITH YOUR CURRENT ATTITUDE AND PHILOSOPHY ON LIFE. HOT GIRLS DON'T LIKE NEEDY, WHINEY, INSECURE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO GOALS, NO SKILLS AND NO RESPECT FOR THEMSELVES.