Using HCG and my nuts are STILL waving me goodbye!

[NXG+]

Hey guys...

Into the 5th wk of my cycle here - 10wks of 500mg prop EW and 60mg Var ED.

I've been using HCG as per the PP protocol in the sticky at the top of the page - 250iu's every 4 days. I started this at the beginning of wk 4. Here's the problem - my nuts are still going the way of the dodo!

I still have SOME ball left but definately heading towards raisins from what were a healthy pair of grapes!!! What do you guys think - should I try bumping up the HCG to 500iu's every 4 days or maybe something else?

I would very much appreciate any help - thank you.

 

[hesnobradpitt]

Hey guys...

Into the 5th wk of my cycle here - 10wks of 500mg prop EW and 60mg Var ED.

I've been using HCG as per the PP protocol in the sticky at the top of the page - 250iu's every 4 days. I started this at the beginning of wk 4. Here's the problem - my nuts are still going the way of the dodo!

I still have SOME ball left but definately heading towards raisins from what were a healthy pair of grapes!!! What do you guys think - should I try bumping up the HCG to 500iu's every 4 days or maybe something else?

I would very much appreciate any help - thank you.

Thats a pretty normal dose , were they smaller before you started the hcg , and with some people they do get small'r and there's nothing you can do about it, im one of them .

I hit them hard before pct and they plump back up no prob's.


Brad.

 

[informer112]

Try taking it with clomid is my only suggestion.

 

[needtogetarmy]

Do the same dosage every three days and see what happens.

HCG is very sensitive to storage temps. It may have gone bad. Keep it in a cool place.

 

[DJ_UFO]

bad/fake hcg.

 

[wolfman87]

you did mix it with bac. water right? it has to be kept in the fridge as well...

 

[Nelson Montana]

I disagree with the PP approach. it's too little for too long. Many guys need a bigger hit. The problem is, use it too often and it stops working. So my advice is to take a break from it and when you're ready to end the cycle, do 1000iu's and another 1000 2 days later along with UNLEASHED, POST CYCLE and arimidex.

 

[NXG+]

Guys, thank you for your responses so far.

I mixed the HCG with bac water and keep it in the fridge. My nuts had shrunk a fair bit before i started using the HCG. Since my 1st 3 shots they have got back up a bit so I am sure the HCG is not fake and is capable of working.

Thats why I am wondering if increasing dose or frequency of shot would help. Can I ask which of these two approaches you guys would try first?

If neither approach works I will drop the HCG untill the end like Nelson suggests.

I am planning the adex, sustain, post-cycle PCT Nelson dont worry! I have high hopes for it...as a side question would I start that 2 weeks after the last shot of prop as usual?

Thanks

 

[wolfman87]

no. if you're using prop just wait 2 or 3 days to start pct because it clears faster. if it were me i would just up the dose slightly until i felt comfortable. don't go overboard or anything cause that will make recovery harder. i would say up to 500 x2 a week is the max for me, but 250 x2 a week on shot days does me just fine...

edit: there are different schools of thought on this. i prefer the hcg during cycle and none at all during pct because i feel like it can make recovery a little harder due to the desensitization it can cause.

 

[Varga]

If it still doesnt work going forward you have no choice but to either increase dosage or frequency to 500 or 750 2x a week. Or if you dont care just dont use HCG during the cycle and do it at the end only till your balls are back to size usually 3 weeks is more than enough to accomplish that at the below dosage

At the end I used to do 1000iu E3D for 2-3 weeks straight.

 

[scotty too hotty]

I use fenugreek and tribulus also. The might take a couple months to work but your wife/ girlfriend will be covered if you know what I mean! Shoot 2500 ius and see how you respond, this will help you determine if it is bad product. If you use hcg for too long your leydig cells will become desensitized and nothing will help you then! You can always just let them shrink for five more weeks until you can give them a chance to properly recover/respond to pct drugs. Whatever you decide, good luck.

 

[NXG+]

Guys, thank you for all your responses.

I will try shooting more HCG next time i jab it and see if that helps. If not i'll just quit the HCG for now and shoot it in big doses at the end of the cycle.

I can tell you for sure that this forum is EASILY the best of its kind on the net...i been a member of another couple of the big name BB/AAS forums and they dont even come close to the level of straight up honest info you get here.

 

[hesnobradpitt]

Guys, thank you for all your responses.

I will try shooting more HCG next time i jab it and see if that helps. If not i'll just quit the HCG for now and shoot it in big doses at the end of the cycle.

I can tell you for sure that this forum is EASILY the best of its kind on the net...i been a member of another couple of the big name BB/AAS forums and they dont even come close to the level of straight up honest info you get here.

Glad you are here to mate , your right its easly the best.


Brad.

 

[joe d]

Hey guys...

Into the 5th wk of my cycle here - 10wks of 500mg prop EW and 60mg Var ED.

I've been using HCG as per the PP protocol in the sticky at the top of the page - 250iu's every 4 days. I started this at the beginning of wk 4. Here's the problem - my nuts are still going the way of the dodo!

I still have SOME ball left but definately heading towards raisins from what were a healthy pair of grapes!!! What do you guys think - should I try bumping up the HCG to 500iu's every 4 days or maybe something else?

I would very much appreciate any help - thank you.

do a single 1000iu shot then do the 250 e3d

 

[NXG+]

Guys,

Nut status report:

The last time i pinned the HCG i used 500iu (instead of 250iu)....the boys are now back to maybe 75-80% of max capacity.

So should I keep going with the 500iu shots E4D OR hit one big one (1000iu) to get them back close to 100% then go back to the 250 iu shots E4D, as Joe suggested?

I like the sound of the 2nd one as i know that shooting too much for too long can desensitise you altogether - I guess another 4.5wks of 1000iu per week (2x500) might fall into that category?

Thanks.

 

[niightz]

I disagree with the PP approach. it's too little for too long. Many guys need a bigger hit. The problem is, use it too often and it stops working. So my advice is to take a break from it and when you're ready to end the cycle, do 1000iu's and another 1000 2 days later along with UNLEASHED, POST CYCLE and arimidex.

Do this!! +1

 

[NXG+]

Bump!

Does everyone agree with that? The only reason I am reluctant to leave the hcg till the end is that it will have been reconstituted for 6 weeks at that point. I can't afford to buy any more and I worry that I will have let my nuts shrink right down and be left with useless hcg to try and reanimate them with!

Anyone got any ideas? Thank you.

 

[Varga]

Bump!

Does everyone agree with that? The only reason I am reluctant to leave the hcg till the end is that it will have been reconstituted for 6 weeks at that point. I can't afford to buy any more and I worry that I will have let my nuts shrink right down and be left with useless hcg to try and reanimate them with!

Anyone got any ideas? Thank you.

Keep doing 500iu every few days like you are planing..you are fine. If you started to get results then it's working no point in fucking with it.
500iu is a mild dose and I've done this dosage many times with no problems...you fine bro