Using HCG and my nuts are STILL waving me goodbye!

[NXG+]

Hey guys...

Into the 5th wk of my cycle here - 10wks of 500mg prop EW and 60mg Var ED.

I've been using HCG as per the PP protocol in the sticky at the top of the page - 250iu's every 4 days. I started this at the beginning of wk 4. Here's the problem - my nuts are still going the way of the dodo!

I still have SOME ball left but definately heading towards raisins from what were a healthy pair of grapes!!! What do you guys think - should I try bumping up the HCG to 500iu's every 4 days or maybe something else?

I would very much appreciate any help - thank you.

 

[hesnobradpitt]

Hey guys...

Into the 5th wk of my cycle here - 10wks of 500mg prop EW and 60mg Var ED.

I've been using HCG as per the PP protocol in the sticky at the top of the page - 250iu's every 4 days. I started this at the beginning of wk 4. Here's the problem - my nuts are still going the way of the dodo!

I still have SOME ball left but definately heading towards raisins from what were a healthy pair of grapes!!! What do you guys think - should I try bumping up the HCG to 500iu's every 4 days or maybe something else?

I would very much appreciate any help - thank you.

Thats a pretty normal dose , were they smaller before you started the hcg , and with some people they do get small'r and there's nothing you can do about it, im one of them .

I hit them hard before pct and they plump back up no prob's.


Brad.

 

[informer112]

Try taking it with clomid is my only suggestion.

 

[needtogetarmy]

Do the same dosage every three days and see what happens.

HCG is very sensitive to storage temps. It may have gone bad. Keep it in a cool place.

 

[DJ_UFO]

bad/fake hcg.

 

[wolfman87]

you did mix it with bac. water right? it has to be kept in the fridge as well...

 

[Nelson Montana]

I disagree with the PP approach. it's too little for too long. Many guys need a bigger hit. The problem is, use it too often and it stops working. So my advice is to take a break from it and when you're ready to end the cycle, do 1000iu's and another 1000 2 days later along with UNLEASHED, POST CYCLE and arimidex.

 

[NXG+]

Guys, thank you for your responses so far.

I mixed the HCG with bac water and keep it in the fridge. My nuts had shrunk a fair bit before i started using the HCG. Since my 1st 3 shots they have got back up a bit so I am sure the HCG is not fake and is capable of working.

Thats why I am wondering if increasing dose or frequency of shot would help. Can I ask which of these two approaches you guys would try first?

If neither approach works I will drop the HCG untill the end like Nelson suggests.

I am planning the adex, sustain, post-cycle PCT Nelson dont worry! I have high hopes for it...as a side question would I start that 2 weeks after the last shot of prop as usual?

Thanks

 

[wolfman87]

no. if you're using prop just wait 2 or 3 days to start pct because it clears faster. if it were me i would just up the dose slightly until i felt comfortable. don't go overboard or anything cause that will make recovery harder. i would say up to 500 x2 a week is the max for me, but 250 x2 a week on shot days does me just fine...

edit: there are different schools of thought on this. i prefer the hcg during cycle and none at all during pct because i feel like it can make recovery a little harder due to the desensitization it can cause.

 

[Varga]

If it still doesnt work going forward you have no choice but to either increase dosage or frequency to 500 or 750 2x a week. Or if you dont care just dont use HCG during the cycle and do it at the end only till your balls are back to size usually 3 weeks is more than enough to accomplish that at the below dosage

At the end I used to do 1000iu E3D for 2-3 weeks straight.