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U.S. and Iran "on a collision course"
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rich_89
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Not good for the US, or the UK for that matter.
We will lose. . . The only way to victory is by nuclear war. And this would prompt a nuclear response, which is disastrous.
Hopefully the warmongering idiots who are going for the republican nomination (except Ron Paul) wont get anywhere. . .Rick Santorum, is basically like voting for war.
We will lose. . . The only way to victory is by nuclear war. And this would prompt a nuclear response, which is disastrous.
Hopefully the warmongering idiots who are going for the republican nomination (except Ron Paul) wont get anywhere. . .Rick Santorum, is basically like voting for war.
agreed not good for the usa, but we would crush them at least militarily...iran navy/air force are not in the same league...occupation and nation rebuilding though would be long drawn out and ugly.
and plenty of dems would beat the drums of war depending on the tide of politics...just like they did when bush jr and sr invaded iraq.
I doubt the US has enough funds for war with Iran...Iraq was one thing, Iran is a whole different story...more countries will get involved.
i don't think funds would be a issue...always money for war, fug before ww2 we were some broke dick dogs and we put together a huge military complex.
but i agree, other countries would join in the killing orgy, russia is begging to flex her imperial muscles and would love to bloody some americans to show the world how tough they are.
china too, could join in the fray
Russia, China, Syria, Iran, Hizbolla (military rebel organization in Lebanon), etc...USA can't take on the world, regardless of what they think. They have already opened too many fronts and made too many enemies. Besides, they should have learned by now that guerrila warefare = they lose too much.
rich_89
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Yeah dude, the US military technology and equipment is 2nd to none, and you would crush them in that respect. But an occupation is just not possible. Iran is about 5x the size of Iraq and Afghanistan, and the US struggles/struggled to maintain order there, and that's without a well trained military with pretty high tec equipment to contend with. Iran's military is in another league to what Saddam's was ad is trained to fight in raw desert and is accustomed to this. And Afghanistan's Taliban is just a guerilla force, nothing but a few road bombs which are annoying to the military, but not damaging. This would be all out war! And also no doubt that Russia and China would clandestinely support Iran, in attempt to undermine the US global influence.
If the US were confident, they would have attacked by now. They know it's folly. Iran will hit the US carriers in the region and assault Israel, even if it's the US that attack. Thousands will be killed on both sides.
agreed bro...something i've thought about recently, how come the allies were so successful in rebuilding japan/germany after ww2?
one could argue that germany had similiar western ideals, but japan def. didn't.
but yet both countries were brought into the fold of modern successul peaceful nations.
do you think the degree of allied destruction to both countries played a factor in that? or was it luck?
let me ask you a question...how long was the war going before the US decided to join in WW2?
usa def. can't take on the world, not with china and russia going against us...but with the western powers on our side (brit, france, germany, etc) we would overpower the opposition...not saying that they are down with our cause just hypothesising.
syria, iran, SA, any muslim paramilitary org i put very little stock into, call me racist but camels and rpgs vs a modern air/naval power no chance
what do you base your information on, when you say US military is 2nd to none? It was second to none before the Iraq war...but don't you feel like they have depleted a lot of their funding to continue to support dropping bombs and using all these weapons?
i;m guessing you are angling to make the point the usa didn't do shit in ww2 except make money.
the usa contributed to allied strategic bombing of germany from close to the beginning of the conflict.
the usa invaded morroco and algeria in 1942, which forced germany to deploy much needed men and material to italy/tunisa.
and the usa lead the charge in the pacific against japan, well before the invasion of northern france...the usa's invovlement was a lot more than just d-day
rich_89
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I said the US military technology and equipment is 2nd to none, i didn't say their funding was unlimited. . .
And i base my information on many factors, the main one being the US's 11 aircraft carriers, which basically allows them to control the seas, and maintain a global presence.
However, don't get me wrong, if the US commit to a war with Iran, they will lose.
rich_89
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Your right there bro, both nations bounced back to be global superstars. Don't know the ins and outs, but it's a good point. I suppose you could they were both practically razed to ground level economically and militarily (and physically in Japans case), and started again in a modern way, and thus their foundations are now modern and thus thay are successful. Whereas the UK was a global power, but their foundation is archaic, and thus their influence has dropped massively.
ismaele00
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Russia and China won't get involve. They have too much to loose.
These two "communists" countries like more the capitalism than the US and the whole EU together.
Having the communist skin and the capitalist soul is the way they like.
Russia likes to look like the old USSR and then you look and... voila! Is the country with more rich people in the world (which represents a 0.9% of the Russian people, the 99.1% is lucky if eating twice per day).
And China 3/4 of the same...
The worst problem, IMHO, is that Iran won't hesitate in using nuclear weapons when I can't imagine a scenario where the US or EU accept to use it, even against military objectives you can't choice the B option (destroy military but don't touch civil people).
We'll see.
ismaele00
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Hey,
As I said I'm still thinking that China and Russia won't get involve, anyway you said "but with the western powers on our side (brit, france, germany, etc) we would overpower the opposition..".
China has (by law) one thousand million of soldiers (and I'm not wrong with the number), if China wants could kick the asses of the US, EU, Canada, Australia and all our allies in a breeze... and if we think with the Russian support and North Korea...
Hey,
As I said I'm still thinking that China and Russia won't get involve, anyway you said "but with the western powers on our side (brit, france, germany, etc) we would overpower the opposition..".
China has (by law) one thousand million of soldiers (and I'm not wrong with the number), if China wants could kick the asses of the US, EU, Canada, Australia and all our allies in a breeze... and if we think with the Russian support and North Korea...
what about china's air power or sea power?
a large infantry is good for the mainland or possibly shipping them west across russia...but what good are they gonna do against the usa?
in the future this will change
rich_89
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So much to loose, but so much to gain!! China would usurp the US as the main global superpower if the US suffered military defeat in the middle east. The coalition (i dont like just bashing the US, it's NATO as well) has just tucked tail and ran from Iraq and soon Afghanistan (as much as anyone wants to dress it up as a withdrawal or whatever, thats what it is - the US is now holding talks with the Taliban. . .WTF?!?!?!)
In Iran, morale is high, the military is well funded and all the army is in Iran and they are primed and ready to go - the gloves are off! The US is scattered, weak and their army is whethered from 10 long years of being moving targets for suicide bombers. They have just done 10 rounds taking pot shots! It's foolish to even consider war.
China and Russia would use Iran as a proxy to bring down the US, and shift the balance of power. Men of the west should take note.
Israel's bullying and arrogant attitude towards their neighbours have caused this, and they will lead the US into the lions den. And the US will follow to get their votes back at home. . . PAH, gym time!!!
@Binö - first thanks for the gift bro! Second, yeah China has no means of transporting overseas really, you're right, it's their main weakness. But they have fighter jets to bomb the US, and they certainly don't need transportation other than tanks/trucks to get troops to iran, if need be. It's only a couple of hours drive for them. . .
muslim countries have a lot of money and that means all the weapons they want from russia, china and anyone looking to sell....no one rides camels anymore lol
dude, USA got involved after pearl harbor.....what did they do before Pearl Harbor?
is that why muslims strap bombs to their chests?
you are mistaking muslims in Palestine who have nothing to lose and nothing to live for anymore after Isreal invaded their homeland and ruined their lives, ones with no education, money, support, etc....with muslims in coutries like Iran, growing up studying maps of the western world and highly trained in warefare with a ton of money and weapons and resources....do the research next time before you run to a thread and try to "PAWN" the next poster...let's have an intelligent discussion for once without you trying to disprove one valid point I make by discrediting an entire nation based on the suicidal few.
so what are you trying to get at here?
that somehow our roll in the conflict is less because of this?
i'm not sure what they should've done before pearl harbor, maybe you can suggest me something?
so, iran is highly trained in warfare, and obviously smart and super badass...yet they fought iraq for almost 10 yrs to a stalemate...and iraq got bowled over twice by a distant foe they knew was coming.
they have a over inflated military self worth
gotmilk
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morale is high? The country is in financial shambles. The army is well funded? They have shitty stuff that is falling apart. The Chinese just cut their oil purchases in half because the European Union is about to stuff the Iranian central bank. Iranian oil prices are going to drop like a rock because new buyers will be able to demand discount pricing from a desperate country in need of cash.
why the disdain towards the US bro? I'm asking this seriously.
I may be wrong, but that's the way your posts are coming across
rich_89
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Saddam Hussein attacked Iran when it was on it's knees just after the Islamic revolution. The country was in a shambles, they had hardly any military and that war was fought of the backs of young men - nothing else. What you said just kinda proved the measure of their resolve. They fought for 10 years in the face of a full frontal assault by an Iraqi army, using chemical and biological weapons (supplied shamefully by the west!). The Iranians actually turned it around and ended up invading Iraq, but the loss of life was too great and it ended in a bloody stalemate.
But it's a different situation nowadays. They have come on leaps and bounds and have equipment comparable with most western nations. No other military in the East can rival them, except perhaps Israel, purely and simply because of Nuclear might. But Iran would overwhelm them with their shear size. Israel is small and as of a few weeks ago, blockaded by Russia (did you know this, because Russia sent a fleet to a Syrian port. . .and they are't sightseeing - this is a military manouvere).
That's awesome. Don't forget the theme music.Iran special forces
i admit i detest the persians, largely influenced by the media portrayl of them and based on nothing but that...i don't know any personally.
but it appears to me that their populace is largely restless, and discontented with the atalloyahs and their tough talk...and their vaunted military has yet to be tested (aside from ieds)...so i really don't give them much credit, plus their air force and navy (though strong for the region) doesn't hold up against the usa or other western nations like france or britian...russia is such a shady bunch of paper tigers...constantly looking for ways to dominate a world that wants nothing to do with them.
what is made in russia? what is exported? what, culture wise or political wise, do they bring to the table?
they treat their military like shit (at least historically)...underfed, undergunned, unprovided for...fuck them.
i can admit that i have some american arrogance, not towards the world just persians and russians
rich_89
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Lol, dude, why do you hate an entire nation just because of what you hear on the news. Thats really not good. Theres plenty of contries politics i detest, but the people are just like you and me. Just so happens the only portrayal of Iranians we see on tv is the fucking nutcases running around trying to get people stoned to death for not feeding the cat on time, or whatever lol. But it's not the real picture - thats a minority they show to brainwash you, so when they declare war, you think - well they are crazy fuckjobs, so why not, bomb them. All news is propaganda nowadays, and they are always biased for those whom fund them.
Today, Presstv (an iranian news channel) was struck off of Sky in the UK, and are not broadcasting anymore here. WHY??? Because they told people of the UK the other side of the story, and reported negative things about the British military. Freedom of speech you say, they can report what they want?? Apparently not.
And dude, Russia is one of the worlds largest exporters of natural gas lol. But you are right about the standard of their soldiers, it's pretty poor.
Those nukes were a system shock for Japan. I think that the new Mission: Impossible theme about using nuclear war as a means of (tragically) inducing broad scale evolution was interesting. It referenced the A-bombs.
i was just being honest with you man.
and yea fail on my part natty resources russia def has.
a quirk of geography, what have they innovated? not a lot of russian products out there that i am aware of
Hey,
As I said I'm still thinking that China and Russia won't get involve, anyway you said "but with the western powers on our side (brit, france, germany, etc) we would overpower the opposition..".
China has (by law) one thousand million of soldiers (and I'm not wrong with the number), if China wants could kick the asses of the US, EU, Canada, Australia and all our allies in a breeze... and if we think with the Russian support and North Korea...
Numbers are still no match for a stealth plane full of undetectable nukes though. Why exacerbate needless death.
This thread is funny. All arm chair psychics predicting the outcome of wars. Not knowing China's military abilities, definately not knowing America's capabilities.
Morale is high in Iran?!?!? You dont know wtf you're talking about.
Taliban only causing a little damage? You're a Fucking idiot~ 40,000 Americans have been disabled by those bombs/tactics. I guess you dodnt think about that.... Because you havent been there.
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Morale is high in Iran?!?!? You dont know wtf you're talking about.
Taliban only causing a little damage? You're a Fucking idiot~ 40,000 Americans have been disabled by those bombs/tactics. I guess you dodnt think about that.... Because you havent been there.
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Kinda ironic how the one time the racist Hitler had some compassion for other groups of people it ended up dooming him. Had he not catered to Mussolini's shenanigans they could've taken the Kremlin before the deep freeze stopped them in their tracks.
I think you'd do well to think from a different perspective sometimes. Isn't that what the majority of the developed world did with Jews after the Holocaust. Even the Pope was and Henry Ford were well known antisemites back then. See what happens now lol.
It shouldn't take another Holocaust to get people to learn from their mistakes no matter what side they're on.
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javaguru
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I agree with you Traz...I'm no fan of Iran but thuggery in U.S. foreign policy doesn't help our position.
then school us dumbasses oh wise one with the only opinion that matters, your own.
i would blame it on the japenese military planners who wanted to free up the pacific from a large naval force that could get in the way of their colonial ambitions.
notice how they only hit strategic targets and didn't aim for civilian targets...and they were considered the animals
bro i am failing to understand you with this one, explain what you mean please
"Kinda ironic how the one time the racist Hitler had some compassion for other groups of people it ended up dooming him. Had he not catered to Mussolini's shenanigans they could've taken the Kremlin before the deep freeze stopped them in their tracks"
how did my post infer that hitler showed compassion? by sending troops to protect his southern flank in africa? i'm confused bro...
calveless wonder
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that wasn't even a concern of theirs until the US basically cut off their oil supply.
javaguru
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Japan was our strategic ally in WWI. Post WWI England and Japan were our enemies in Asia ..both with dismal colonial records on human rights. The Japanese were a regional power, much more powerful than Iran could ever hope to be and FDR imposed sanctions on them. That was the Japanese impetus for war, they had six months of oil to fuel their navy before they decided a war with America was worth occupying the Dutch East Indies.
To this day I have no idea why the Japanese naval staff never organized a convoy system...crazy..but that's a historical question.
Iran is only on a "collision course" because the United States politicians want to make war. Iran has no reason to seek war with the United States but American politicians like to wage war based on fear mongering. No nuclear power has ever gone to war and Iran has never waged a war of aggression against their neighbors. It has been estimated the United States spends 700 million to keep our military in South Korea....Is North Korea a threat to the United States? Why are we subsiding the defense of countries that are perfectly capable of defending themselves...
Dont you think sooner or later japenese imperial ambitions would've collided with the USA in the pacific, with or without USA sanctions?
I've also read that Pearl Harbor was a slap-dash response from the Japanese for him freezing assets of Japanese-American citizens, more or less over their country siding with Axis powers.
I just said that myself as a side note.
javaguru
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The United States was an Imperial Power that wanted influence in Asia and was aggressively trying to curtail Japan's Imperial ambitions....Securing the sea lanes for free trade would have been a legitimate objective to maintain naval bases in Asian countries but the United States controlled the countries like an Empire and the military planners wanted war; Both sides wanted war...
stosstruppe
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Heck we can't even contain Afghanistan much less have a go at Iran as we're unprepared to finance the necessary boots on the ground to hold what we take.
Western "powers"? Lol, US going it alone more like, after the Brit SDSR 2010 I doubt the UK will be able to project any sort of expeditionary warfare, we can barely find the will to continue funding of a single aircraft carrier to project force, & France, Germany etc are no better off.
Agreed with JG, Iran doesn't want war - the Yanks would crush them if the financial will was there - just the US government.
Western "powers"? Lol, US going it alone more like, after the Brit SDSR 2010 I doubt the UK will be able to project any sort of expeditionary warfare, we can barely find the will to continue funding of a single aircraft carrier to project force, & France, Germany etc are no better off.
Agreed with JG, Iran doesn't want war - the Yanks would crush them if the financial will was there - just the US government.
kx250rider
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We can't afford another conventional war, so this one would be a nuke job. God help Israel over there in the middle of it all....
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rich_89
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In terms of military assets (that the government care about), the Taliban didn't do shit to you!
The US Army/Govt doesn't give two fucks about troops being disabled (not saying i don't - so don't get me wrong - its tragic, as are all deaths/casualties of war). So really, your point is just a pointless one, because in terms of the tools of war - troops are one of the least important in modern warfare. Wake up and smell the coffee.
And how can you sit there and say that the Iranian morale isnt high - you're clearly a blinkered idiot. They are openly defying the US, and half the world is rallying behind them. China has all but told the US to fuck off and they will ignore sanctions. Obama is scared to invade close to election time, Israel shitting bricks, all middle eastern nations trading in local currencies, and abandoning trading in dollars, EU nations unable to agree on sanctions because they are worried about Irans threats, Pakistan still blockading NATO lines because they are leaning towards Iran. The Ayatollahs must be sat having a wank over Obamas face.
Maybe the people of Iran aren't happy, but politically, they are flying.
TableFun
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meh, this is really nothing new...recall the embassy hostages, operation praying mantis, and all the sanction ducking/jiving they have done the last 10-15 yrs.
so it's not like they have ever really been totally submissive to the usa...their latest rounds of shit talking could be viewed as a desperate political attempt to avoid being overthrown (like egypt, libya, and possibly syria) and avoid scrutiny on matters at home.
javaguru
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The United States is The British Empire circa 1900 or Rome circa 400 CE.
well, get involved maybe? They waited for shit to hit him and for other countries to do the heavy lifting before getting involved...
I guess they're making up for it now by getting involved in every other war with every other nation, i.e. Iraq, Iran, nam, etc...everyone that doesnt have the same political / religious views or has more money than them is a "terrorist" or a "communist"
Are you serious??
You are copmparing the Iraq under the iron grip of Saddam Hussein back in the day that fought Iran, versus the Iraq that the US just walked into? Seriously?
Do you know how strong Iraq was back in the day? These guys used to make human bridges to step over soldiers to cross a river of fire that Iran put up to stop Saddam's army from invading....Iraq was rediculously strong back in the day....
when the USA invaded Iraq, Iraq was already done...
don't take it personally...I don't hate Americans, I deslike American forein policy and their position in the world as the "world leader."
Coming from Lebanon, I've been greatly affected by US support for Isreal and their actions in the middle east. You realise most of the world dislikes the US right?
Also being Canadian and seeing how Canadian soldiers die unnecessarily in Afganistan and other countries because of American involvement in world politics and Canadian support for american foreign policy pisses me off. I'm not against dying for your country, but invading other coutries for monetary reasons, I'm def. against.
i thought you were opposed to american intervention, now you are calling the usa out for not responding quick enough?
you can't have it both ways bro
read up on how many canadians died in ww1 fighting for the UK.
70k, plus thousands more maimed to shit.
40k died in ww2 fighting for the brit commonwealth.
kinda pales into comparison of what you blame the usa military for huh?
i guess you are forgetting that the USA bowled over iraq in the early 1990s when super badass saddam was in full kilt.
bulldozed their elite guard and saddam was running for his life.
I'm saying the US only gets involved when they see dollar signs...that's my point.
sooo, we're going to play the blaming game? you seriously suggesting Canadians did worse things than Americans bro? come on now...everyone knows, us Canadians can't hurt a fly
Bino, change your fuckin avi bro I can't have a serious conversation with you
He's saying more Canadians have died supporting other countries than for the US.sooo, we're going to play the blaming game? you seriously suggesting Canadians did worse things than Americans bro? come on now...everyone knows, us Canadians can't hurt a fly
Most of the world? I'd tend to say that "most" of the world doesn't. Hell the only ones that seem to have an issue are the stupid fuckin extremist countries.
I'd be willing to bet the vast majority of the worlds population doesn't have a problem with the US at all.
sooo, we're going to play the blaming game? you seriously suggesting Canadians did worse things than Americans bro? come on now...everyone knows, us Canadians can't hurt a fly
i'm not saying canada did anything wrong, but you claimed americans jump into wars for monetary profit (alluding to our delayed decision in ww2...but then again at the same time you chide us for waiting so long to do so)...so i was demonstrating to you that canadian soliders died for GB's war, twice.
germany never did anything to canada in either occasion
what nation has faught just wars that didn't invovle money?
being colonized is one thing and fighting someone else's war is something else....they didnt have a choice at that point.
THAT is something we can agree on...but can you deny that the US gets involved in wars that they have NOTHING to do with, claim that it's fighting terrorism, when they are after things like oil and profit? I love the whole weapons of mass destruction claim, epic story telling at its finest
I see what you did with that avi there lol
meh, nobody goes to wars they believe they have nothing to do with.
nobody.
there is always a belief in some sort of good or gain out of it...
oil and profit, what is different about this than what alexander did? or ceaser? or saladin?
it's always about profit, you are singling out america and that is what i disagree with.
and tellingly, china got the majority of oil buisness out of Iraq, i think we should have but we tried to be fair and let the iraqis put it up for bidding.
the usa and the middle east are better of without saddam, do you disagree with that?
Are you serious?? Mother Green and her killing machine totally wiped out the so called "Elite Guard," in 1991. They were/are horrible fighters. They have no heart, no killer instinct. We totally demoralized them, well, the ones who actually made it out alive---I am still scratching my head on that one. I thought we wasted all of them, I guess a few stragglers slipped through the cracks.
The Marines did the Elite Guard dirty, they surrendered once we hit the third phase of the barrier, my Colonel said, "there is no surrendering today," so you use your imagination. Ah! Ha!
"I can't say enough about the two Marine divisions. If I use words like brilliant, it would really be an under-description of the absolutely superb job they did in breaching the so-called impenetrable barrier. . .Absolutely superb operation, a textbook, and I think it'll be studied for many, many years to come as the way to do it." (General H. Norman Schwarzkopf, USA, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, 27 February 1991.)
Ceasar, Sallahuddein and Alexander all declared openly that their purpose is to invade and occupy lands...they never hid behind ideals like freeing people from terrorism when their real purpose was purely financial gain. They declared openly for example that they want to gain more lands under the Roman empire, etc...they declared everything openly. all acts of warefare were straight to the point. Armies against armies. No bullshit or hidden agendas....so that's why i'm singling out the USA.
Also, back then, warefare was with bows and arrows, swords, etc...not nukes and who has the biggest nuke....the USA tries to forbid countries from having nukes because "they are terrorist countries" yet has a shitload of nukes themselves....how is that fair?
The time of expanding empires and leaders like Alexander is over...yet the USA feels obligated to "invade" countries like Nam, Iraq, Iran, etc...over what? obviously money...political gain...strategic gain....and yet they use excuses and use the media to attempt to hide their true colors and brainwash US citizens by saying: these terrorist countries hate is, they want to kill us so we will invade them to put a stop to all this hate....maybe they hate you cause you keep invading their homes to take over their resources?? just maybe...
This is why I'm singling out the USA...because all these examples that you gave me are over and done with, but the USA is the only country that still has military operations everywhere when it really has no purpose being there...
And comparing Ceasar, alexander and Salahuddein with US leaders is just rediculous...are you really that arrogant?
great unbiased opionion...use quotes from Marines to talk about the fights between the marines and the Elite guard....
I don't need to use immagination....the US had a hard enough time beating Nam and Iraq...they are still in Iraq now....a bunch of rebels with no education, barely any military training and some kitchen ware bombs are giving the US's finest a hard ass time....not saying I agree with military tactics, but her the US is the invader, these guys think they are just fighting to keep their lands....
did you forget what happened in Vietnam? How badly the US's finest lost in war? or was just a great victory for the US? I'm not sure I even believe there are winners and losers in war...everyone loses somehow.
also, the US sucks ass in guerrila warefare...they are just not good at it....especially in countries where people pop up from underground and bombs go off everywhere and people blow themselves up....
you wanna talk about heart and having nothing to lose?
Palestinean kids run up to an Isreali tank with a slingshot...that's heart...and then the tank steps over them...yeh real brave...
Sounds more like stupidity to me...
offcourse it would, because when you are tucked into your cozy bed at night jerking off to porn, you got little kids being beaten and abused in Palestine and women being thrown out of their homes and stepped on while their husbands watch...how if you were the husband, and they took your land and they beat your kid and their stepped on your wife;s head and dragged her on the streets, will you stfu and be peaceful, or will you try to get your hands on the only thing that you think will hurt them?? will you fight back or will you yield?
I don't blame you though, you don't see any of that shit in the media....I lived there in that area...I have friends in Palestine that haven't see their families in years...they are all in Israeli prisons....the ones that are not dead.
If you're the 14 year old kid and you manage to run away after seeing your mom beaten and your dad shot in the head, will you run? will you come back and try to fight? you call it stupidity? one, he's 14....he thinks he's making a difference...and two, how else will a 14 year old fight?
also, it's funny how you caught the "stupidity" but not the sad, pathetic act of "real" terrorism when the tank walked over the kid. Shows how sensitive Americans are to "non-Americans" - another reason why the whole world loves you!! *sarcastic, in case you didnt catch that. God bless America and no place else!!
is it arrogance to believe that america has held sway for the last 50 yrs and worldwide dominance, much like the forementioned leaders? no, i think it's real talk...i'm not naive to think it will last forever, but up untill now that has been the case.
some day america will fall to number two, then maybe number 3, and you will be happy looking to the east (china) for leadership...
you mistook my statement. I do not doubt that america is absolutely #1 right now and will remain for a long time.
My comment on arrogance is the claim that US leaders are anywhere near the caliber of the aforementioned GREAT and victorious leaders, i.e. Alexander, Ceasar and Sallahuddin.
1- he's 14 (I think you missed that part)
2- when you've got nothing to lose, something as small as a slingshot might spart the fire and inspire a resistance, no matter how futile, it will one day grow...it's not the first time farmers with pitch forks, outnumbers and starved, were able to overthrow an army.
1) At 14 I never thought I could defeat a tank w/a slingshot. My 5 year old son who sometimes thinks he is Spiderman may, but at 14? I don't think so bro...
2) Why are we even talking about this...what was the point?
Why are you so angry? It is really coming out in your posts in this thread.
Like Plank said, pure stupidity..not heart.
I could write my own facts too dude, seriously...lol typical American arrogance...lol @ keeping Canada safe....just lol
Typically thinking you are better than us because you're American and we're Canadian....just lol
I won't humor you with a reply...I don't think you can look past your American propagandist dribble
their is something to be said about canada benefiting from having a strong military neighbor, clearly they have.
but i have a new respect for canada's military (been reading some accounts), lotsa brave soliders got obliterated in both world wars, they did their part and then some.
javaguru
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Lehead hasn't studied the theory of war. "War is politics by other means" as I quote Clausewitz. Ledhead trying to make a distinction between military and political victory just shows his ignorance on the subject; Military force is the last option of failed politicians. Judging victory based on body counts just indicates he doesn't understand the "whiz kids" emphasis on body counts just meant that field officers simply exaggerated body counts and the war was lost because their was a disconnect between U.S. foreign policy dogma and the people of Vietnam. Western values can't be imposed on cultures with their own set of social values. I'll give the Corps credit for their strategic hamlet program where a squad would defend a village at great risk but the military policy of relocating strategic villages was misguided in a culture that venerates their ancestors and the land. When the United States Army stopped kicking in doors and knocked in Iraq...asked to search.. the situation improved with the people...That's common sense 101.
Agreed 100% which is why I didn't give his posts much attention.
1. The military assets also include costs of paying disabled vets for decades, price of medical supplies to treat military in the field and at military hospitals, loss of man hours, the cost if replacing injured personnel the list goes on. I smell the coffee, you don't understand the big picture.
You're WRONG.
2. He said Iran moral, in regards to the moral of the troops there. He was talking about the troops.
And the moral was not high, they weren't happy being there.
You have to resort to insults to get your point across?
2. How the he'll do you know what the Taliban has done to me? How do you know I haven't lost friends to them?
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javaguru
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As far as the Taliban is concerned...Barry is gonna release captured Taliban leaders for the "peace process." Which means Hamid Karzai will probably be living in luxury on the French Riviera with embezzled US funds within a year of the United United withdrawing while Pakistan continues their colonial Taliban project; I internalized "politics are war by other means." It doesn't work out for you but you need to get right with it; I read "All Quiet on the Western Front" and it gave me some peace after the fifth reading.
Taliban - Al Qaeda = Not the same
Taliban has Not supported Al Qaeda for many many years.
Which means you're trying to complain about bullshit. Did you complain about Haley Barbour releasing convicted proven murders? Nope.....
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javaguru
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I agree, the Taliban is fighting for their freedom against colonial invaders, that's what they do, Soviet or American...doesn't matter. Al Queda probably has a handful of fighters in Afghanistan at any given time, they moved to our allies Pakistan and Yemen. So, why are we nation building (wasting money) and burying more American than ever in a misguided conflict in Afghanistan?
I have no Fucking clue why we demolish countries in combat with hyper expensive bombs and Aircraft carriers. Expensive deisel burning ships,vehicles and tanks and go and rebuild the same shit we blew up. on top of that couching up billions in cash at the same time.
Its idioic.
Russia drove over Georgia to the capitol and then turned the fuck around..... Thats how its supposed to be.
Do the business and leave them to soak up the reason why they got their ass kicked.
This only apllies to Just causes though.
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mrplunkey
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I was agreeing with you at first.
