trinity united my ass

[Burning_Inside]

I think after reading some new comments posted in this thread I'm done attempting to bring anything more to the table in C&C other than maybe some funny ha ha links. Seems the more vocal peeps on here nowadays are sadly also people that take everything someone writes for complete face value, can't decipher written cynicysm, and read so far between the lines they start seeing into another dimension. Definately not like the majority of C&C versions of the past.

Kinda hard to really have any decent discourse when you have to keep wasting time to babysit a thread to defend yourself repeatedly from people that like to twist your words -- or just completely uncomprehend what you were talking about to begin with -- and then write junk about you thereafter insinuating you're a type of person so completely away from what is real.

It's entertaining to see people be so dumb and formulate false models of what they decided you must surely be like and what ideals you must hold to be true based on bad comprehension of a few posts, but it's also a bunch of bullshit too.

 

[Spartacus]

point to a post in this thread in which I labeled anyone as dumb
as you just did

 

[binö]

I was thinking the same thing about Burning...

Its obvious that people like him (and Wright) have and incredibly broad range of problems with America. We're not talking a drive to change one aspect of society and make things better -- we're talking "chickens coming to roost" hate.

So burning... why stay here? Why pay taxes and contribute to this globally genocidal system? You realize every income tax dime you pay... every sales tax... every property or payrolltax -- is perpetuating this ruthless, genocidal, global psycho-cop that you so hate.

Wouldn't it be easier to find a country with a system more to your liking and work for change from within it? Why stay here and be such a willing accomplice to this crime?

in redsam's defense, at least dude has the balls to make a move...he relocated to Toronto.
now people like BI, in my opinion, are the reason why america is rotting from the core...it's like they look forward to us failing.
if pearl harbor happened now, do you think the current lot of americans would be up in arms? i don't, i think the BI'esque majority would blame america and side with the enemy.

 

[binö]

I think after reading some new comments posted in this thread I'm done attempting to bring anything more to the table in C&C other than maybe some funny ha ha links. Seems the more vocal peeps on here nowadays are sadly also people that take everything someone writes for complete face value, can't decipher written cynicysm, and read so far between the lines they start seeing into another dimension. Definately not like the majority of C&C versions of the past.

Kinda hard to really have any decent discourse when you have to keep wasting time to babysit a thread to defend yourself repeatedly from people that like to twist your words -- or just completely uncomprehend what you were talking about to begin with -- and then write junk about you thereafter insinuating you're a type of person so completely away from what is real.

It's entertaining to see people be so dumb and formulate false models of what they decided you must surely be like and what ideals you must hold to be true based on bad comprehension of a few posts, but it's also a bunch of bullshit too.

sounds like you are backtracking

 

[javaguru]

March 1939 - " In case such a war [ German and Italy versus England and France] breaks out, how far should we go in helping England and France - should we send our army and navy abroad to fight the enemies of England and France? " 17% responded 'yes'; 83%'no'.

May 1939 - " In case Germany and Italy go to war against England and France, how far should we go in helping England and France? Should we send our army and navy abroad to fight Germany and France?" 16% responded 'yes' ; 84%'no'.

August 1939 - " Do you think the United States should declare war on Germany at once and send our army and navy abroad to help England, France, and Poland?" 8% said 'yes' ; 90% ' no' and 2%'don't know'.

September 1939 - " What should be the policy of the United States in the present European war - should we declare war and send our army and navy abroad to fight Germany? " 6% said 'yes' ; 94% 'no'.


A nationwide Gallop Poll conducted during the first week of December of 1940 asked Americans :

"If you were asked to vote on the question of the United States entering the war against Germany and Italy, how would you vote - to go into the war ot to stay out of the war?"12% said 'go in' ; 88%'stay out' while 3% expressed no opinion.


1. Michael Leigh, Mobilizing Consent : Public Opinion and American Foreign Policy, Greenwood Press, Westport, 1976, 32 - 33

 

[javaguru]

For anyone interested in the European air campaign.

http://www.anesi.com/ussbs02.htm

 

[Spartacus]

Hitler's war didn't involve America
when the japanese attacked pearl harbor the germans were at the gates of moscow
Hitler's hubris had him declare war on america
bad move

 

[ceo]

sounds like you are backtracking

The, "I was just kidding" defense?

 

[blackhawk60]

Please explain to me why it is we should have cared whether he's nuts or not? And wasn't he our buddy in the 80's when we were trying to fuck over Iran? Yeah, we pretty much built him up in the hopes of creating a counter to Iran. How'd that work? Who is it that has the nuke capability now? If Sadaam was nuts, than the syrians or Iranians would have eventually had to deal with him. Or, better yet.........the 70-80% of Iraqi people who were Shia, would eventually have overthrown his sunni ass. Again, we meddled in a situation that we needn't have. Instead of invading Iraq, we could have started making serious "Non physical/violent" overtures to Venezuela so that someone like Chavez doesn't come to power and we have a source of oil independant from the middle east. How fantastic does that sound? It rubs my balls right.

Yeah, Saddam was our buddy in the 80's. So was Osama. Roosevelt sat down with Stalin too, before the Cold War. Grant and Lee were in the same boat and on the same battlefields in the war with Mexico. Things change. The Iranians tried to deal with him. They were unable to...even with the large Shiite population in Iraq.

Why did we go in the first time to save Kuwait? Why did we go to Bosnia? Why did we go to Somalia? Kosovo? Haiti..etc. It's politics. National interests. World relations. Why do people want us to go to Darfur? Why do a lot of the same people that want us to go to Darfur think we should've never went to Iraq?

Saddam ruled for decades, he had the Shiites on lockdown. All of the sudden they are going to overthrow out of nowhere?

 

[Spartacus]

Yeah, Saddam was our buddy in the 80's. The Iranians tried to deal with him. They were unable to...even with the large Shiite population in Iraq.


Saddam ruled for decades, he had the Shiites on lockdown. All of the sudden they are going to overthrow out of nowhere?

excellent points
I just wanted to add that Iraq and Iran fought a vicious world war one style war for 8 years
1980-1988
and then saddam muscled into kuwait
he was going to 'muscle' again
he had to go