trinity united my ass

[javaguru]

IMO we should pull out of the UN and let it all rot to hell. Let the arrogant Europeans try to fix things. Hell, the French can't control a bunch of Arab teenagers in Paris from killing cops - I'd love to see what they would do in a real war.

I think we've seen what they do in a real war post Napoleon Bonaparte.

 

[Powerbuilder333]

Obviously, so are the US forces that are in Iraq.

Our troops are doing fine.
If Rumsfield had listened to our Generals (overwhelming ground forces to control the population), an insurgency would have never gotten started, and it would have been over in a few months.
Now that we have a Secretary Of Defense that's letting the Generals do what they do best, things are turning around.
At no time were our troops to blame for this quagmire.

 

[needtogetarmy]

Our troops are doing fine.
If Rumsfield had listened to our Generals (overwhelming ground forces to control the population), an insurgency would have never gotten started, and it would have been over in a few months.
Now that we have a Secretary Of Defense that's letting the Generals do what they do best, things are turning around.
At no time were our troops to blame for this quagmire.

I still have friends over there and I keep in close contact with them. From what they tell me morale is high, things are getting better, and they are proud of what they have done.

 

[Burning_Inside]

^^^ 50 years later we (the US) are still questioning our own use of the A bomb - I'd say we've been batting an eye for 50 years. No other sociey is as introspective as America.
Don't you have arm blades to play with in your trailer park?

America * at the time * thought dropping the bomb on the Japanese was as glorious and justified as we though going into Iraq was over 9-11 just a couple years ago. No shit as time goes by, people smack their heads and think duh, we were probably asshole, gee whizz. It's the same thing now with more and more people waking up to smell the coffee that Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 and the citizens America at the time were just acting like a flock of blindly patriotic media hyped sheep with their rallying behind the whole mess. People as a whole never ever learn from the past.

But there's more topics in post 12 you can try and argue also.

Also, did you honestly think that pic of the kid with the blades was me? I mean the way you go about adding it into your posts all condescendingly directed towards me, like you're one upping me or something with it.

 

[pappad]

Yeah, it was as glorious to us as Pearl Harbor was to them!! They should have read the sign, "Don't start none and there won't be none!"

 

[all the whey]

wright said: "We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye," Wright said. "We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost."

Sorry but that is all 100% true. you reap what you sow. Don't want your nose covered in shit, don't stick it in. It's the whole blowback thing that Ron paul was trying to drive home to the blind patriots that think U.S are the World fucking police and should eb able to do whatever the fuck it wants to whomever and they should like it cause we are fucking awesome and so on and so forth.

(squints eyes, and rubs chin)

 

[javaguru]

America * at the time * thought dropping the bomb on the Japanese was as glorious and justified as we though going into Iraq was over 9-11 just a couple years ago. No shit as time goes by, people smack their heads and think duh, we were probably asshole, gee whizz. It's the same thing now with more and more people waking up to smell the coffee that Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 and the citizens America at the time were just acting like a flock of blindly patriotic media hyped sheep with their rallying behind the whole mess. People as a whole never ever learn from the past.

But there's more topics in post 12 you can try and argue also.

Also, did you honestly think that pic of the kid with the blades was me? I mean the way you go about adding it into your posts all condescendingly directed towards me, like you're one upping me or something with it.

Any critical analysis of the situation presented to President Truman clearly shows that dropping those two bombs was the more humane decision and that is only considering Japanese casualties. Here is the Cliff Notes...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Downfall
Operation Downfall...the invasion of Japan...
"Casualty predictions varied widely but were extremely high for both sides: depending on the degree to which Japanese civilians resisted the invasion, estimates ran into the millions for Allied casualties,[1] and tens of millions for Japanese casualties."

The Japanese lost 66,000 dead and missing as military casualties on Okinawa as well as between 75,000-140,000 civilian casualties.

 

[Burning_Inside]

That's bullshit. We did "bat an eye" when considering whether bombing Japan. The bottom line was that if we didn't millions of Americans would have died trying to take the mainland. In the end, those are the types of decisions made in war. The Japanese would have done the same to us if they had the bomb. The Japanese massacred millions of Chinese. I suppose that fact is easy to ignore. (I can't believe I even have to debate this issue.)

No you don;t have to debate it, you're the one bringing it up for debate. All i wrote that you read was me mentioning about how there's no huge public uproar over how many kids and innocents are dying in Iraq but they bitch about a puppy (which I thought was disgusting and the guy should be stoned to death), one single puppy, getting tossed over a cliff on video by a soldier. You're the one pulling this shit about China in ww2 out of your ass to debate, I guess debate with yourself since I mentioned nothing regarding that.

I don't know one American who doesn't care about the war. I've been there. I've been to more funerals over the past year than Wright has been to in his entire lifetime. If you think Americans, and Americans soldiers, do not give a damn about the indigenous Iraqi people then you have no idea what is really going on over there.

tomato tomahto, for every one person that thinks the war is wrong and what we're doing over there alltogether in all aspects is wrong, there's one redneck that is rooting for it after he just came home from a long night of drinkin and gay bashin and draggin blacks down a country road tied to his truck.

SOME Americans are bigots. Most are not. Wright IS a bigot. His comments about Jews, Whites and Latinos is pure hate. If you support the genocide of Whites and you believe Jews are the scum of the earth then I'll just quit typing because there is no way to argue against such hatred.

lol dude I didn't even SEE or BRING UP what he said about anything other than what i quoted in my first post in this thread.

I suppose we should not have "dicked around" in Europe or Japan in WWII. Same deal with Saddam? America is wrong and evil. Hitler, Stalin, and Saddam are saints. I don't even know where to begin replying to this. You believe we went into Iraq just to make them "more American?" Where do you come up with this type of thinking? We went in because there was a United Nations resolution authorizing force. Additionally, the US was just one of many countries that went to war. Are the Aussies also trying to force their culture on the Iraqi people? What about Poland? The UK? Finally, comparing China invading the US to the US invading Iraq is totally misplaced. The war has absolutely nothing to do with culture or leadership.

lol you need some drugs. You are just tossing shit out there making up what yuo want about what I supposedly believe when i gave you absolutely nothing to go on in anything I wrote for you to take it to the levels of stupidity you're taking this to. For the record, what we did in ww2 was probably necessary for the greater good as that was a completely different scenario than today. And the Iraq thing? Shit buddy, how many fucking more reports are they going to have to release saying that Iraq had no fucking connection with Al -cock-ass-fucking-Qaeda before you take Warren Buffet's words of wisdom to heart and just agree it's about oil, not about finding Bin Laden in AFGHANISTAN.

 

[javaguru]

The Pastor has a fundamental misunderstanding of WWII. This is a repost but it gives the perspective of the era. My father was a corpsman that went in with the marines at Tarawa and Iwo Jima. I'm not sure he would have survived an invasion of Japan so I don't look unfavorably on dropping the bomb....just sayin'.

 

[Burning_Inside]

Any critical analysis of the situation presented to President Truman clearly shows that dropping those two bombs was the more humane decision and that is only considering Japanese casualties. Here is the Cliff Notes...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Downfall
Operation Downfall...the invasion of Japan...
"Casualty predictions varied widely but were extremely high for both sides: depending on the degree to which Japanese civilians resisted the invasion, estimates ran into the millions for Allied casualties,[1] and tens of millions for Japanese casualties."

The Japanese lost 66,000 dead and missing as military casualties on Okinawa as well as between 75,000-140,000 civilian casualties.

See the thing is though, we didn't HAVE to drop that bomb directly on Japan. I really think that if we just dropped it somewhere "else" and let them see what it could do and we mean business they'd have signed the papers and surrendered. They just called our bluff, we took it personally and went overboard IMO.